Discussion Who will be the last opponent?

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Re: Marshall D. "Blackbeard" Teach - One Piece's Final Boss

well in my opinion i really want Coby as final boss, i think he might get a Devil Fruit later on and we saw how fast he improved under Garps instruction, he went from a chubby scaredy cat mega weakling to his much improved form in like what six months? he learnt soru which is sposto take years to master, and before anyone mentions luffy's quick mastery he already had all the physical tools just needed to learn the trick of how, so yea im really hoping for Coby and Smoker as new Admirals in future

Let me put my opinion like this.

I REALLY REALLY don't want him to have a DF simply because I sometimes feel that to many people already have them.

And because I'd like to him to become a powerhouse in strength alone.

 

[Gecko Moria]

Blackbeard: he is similar to Luffy in many ways (e.g. shares the same dream to King of the Pirates) but at the same time they differ in their ideas, amongst other things (Luffy believes in freedom, Blackbeard: destiny).

But I also believe that maybe the Gorosei or another World Government character (maybe Sengoku or maybe another admiral) may play an important part near the end (WG being seen as the antagonists currently).

Or perhaps it someone that hasnt been introduced yet e.g. the last Yonkou...

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

I don't really know about the final bosse : it depends on what will be the final battle.
The final battle will be just before Luffy become the Pirate King (what would be logic), so, it should be a fight for the PK title.

But for me, in reality, the most dangerous ones for Luffy and Zoro are going to be in the future, in the New Global Era, the first guys we met at the beginning of One Piece : Coby and Helmep
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/433/10/

But these ones will be the more hazardous people after One Piece ends. I think the end of One Piece doesn't mean the end of the SH crew : it means for me the end of the OP quest, of the Old Global Era.
And Coby and Helmep won't be killed : they are the future marines heroes, of the New Marine Era, as the SH are the ones of the future New Pirate Era.
And of course, Coby will be an admiral. Helmep should be one too.

I don't really know what would be the New Marine Era but it should be linked to Dragon's actions. If the WG changes and become a new one (with Dragon revolution), a Marine will still exist as the New WG's military force.

I say New WG because I don't see how Dragon's new systeme will not be a WG if he wants everything to be as it should be or as he wants to be.

 

[Antares]

bittman, your reply about Blackbeard was really amazing. I also agree that Blackbeard is currently the most worthy candidate of becoming OP's Final Boss because of his vision about the new era, his unrelenting dream and ambition. And also, i also think that the final boss should be someone from a new generation instead of old ones like Sengoku, Whitebeard or someone from the old times. But something that bugged me is the color spread of Shichibukai at the chapter...umm, was it 532? It showed, and maybe even signified, that the Shichibukai consists of equally powerful pirates. I dunno if it's just me, but i'm thinking that OP's final boss should be someone that eventually is feared by all and more powerful than all by a rather big gap. The ability of Darkness itself is really fitting to be the final boss, but if it's pure good vs pure evil, will it give the best peak that fits Oda's taste?

I know many of us wants a final battle against an extreme evil with the world's fate at stake...but i thought about a really good RPG game here named Suikoden 2, where the hero's personal final battle was against his absolute best friend. Their bond was and is inseparable, yet because each of them held something so dear to themselves that they wanted to protect, each of the two best friends eventually became the leaders of two nations, which destined to oppose each other because of ideological reason. Each nation consider their own leader as the one person fit to rule to end this war, and each nation would suffer if the other one would win, resulting in an inevitable fight of the two countries, and an inevitable battle of the two best friends who must win against the other no matter what it'll take. The battle would determine the fate of the world, yet it would also be filled with emotions unlike any other battle.

Shanks – Shanks is, though a Yonkou and extremely powerful, a friend of Luffy's, and by extension, his crew. Though Shanks is one of Luffy's aims and someone Luffy may have to fight, an epic battle of friend versus friend just doesn't have the same emotion a battle to dictate the direction of the world would have. So though a Shanks fight would be epic and excellent and may even happen, because of their similar creeds it would be a battle where it really doesn't matter who wins. One Piece hasn't had any of these battles yet.

And One Piece hasn't had any of these battles yet. That's exactly why i hope - this is not a prediction, because by objective factor i still think that Blackbeard will be one of the final bosses, or THE final boss himself, but - that someone withOUT a Devil Fruit will be the final boss. Because without depending on a Devil Fruit, someone with true dream to become the Pirate King can unleash powers even beyond Devil Fruits. Maybe it'll be Haki, maybe it wouldn't be Haki. But still, i wanna see the final opponent of Luffy not being someone with Devil Fruit. Or maybe, as i've posted somewhere in this forum, i also hope that One Piece itself can change its shape into living humanoid shape and become the true One Piece's Final Boss.

Well, this is just a thought i want to share with you all.

 

[bittman]

Thanks for your appraisal, I'm blushing =D

On the villain versus friend: I know where you're coming from. Many many stories will always do one or the other. Either they are near the best of friends or they are each other's worst enemy. My main problem with the friend fight is that it doesn't work in One Piece where the Strawhat's are lucky to spend more than a week in any one place and friend battles are usually something built up over the ages. For Shanks to look like any chance at the final boss, I would need to see him meet Luffy early on in the New World.

For me, I don't have many favourite friend battles to take experience from, and I always enjoy the villain battles more. The best example I can think of right now would be from Hajime no Ippo (since I'm reading it now).
Friend: Ippo's japanese title match against Sendou
Villain: Ippo's rookie king title match against Mashiba
Both of these battles can cause chills down my spine and each are equal in my opinion. Unfortunately, the reason both are great is because of the stress they both put on Ippo and the feelings he could take into battle knowing his opponent so well, both formulas which don't always apply for One Piece.

So I rate final villains by their accumulative build up, and that said there are many antagonists Luffy will not face for a while. Out of all the title holders who have been given a build up, Kuma would have to be next simply given his very active build up over the recent chapters.

 

[Belisar]

whitebeard, roger's ghost or the legendary monster.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

About the Shanks fight, we know that it should happen. Indeed, Luffy must give him back his straw hat, his unique treasure, his only piece of value (can we say his one piece ? Oda said the solution to what One Piece was was on the logo itself : the SH is in the logo (speculation) when he will be a true pirate.

The straw hat is the mark of his training to become a strong pirate, the proof of his commitment, of what he promised .
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/1/46/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/1/47/

I think that Luffy will be well-known when he will fight Shanks and will have an importance influence on the NW. If he wins, he will be recognized by Shanks (the one who will officially make fun of Luffy's goal to the last end) as the true pirate he wanted to be, as the PK. Because being the PK means you are recognized by everyone as the PK.

So, the final " battle " will be with Shanks, when he will give him back his SH.

I don't know if it will be a real battle and if Shanks will the final boss as you mean/see it (death to death battle ; I don't think so) ; but the end of the OP quest should have something to do with the SH's return on Shanks'head.

But BB should be the worst opponent and real final boss/rival for the OP quest : winning against the worst rival doesn't mean the OP quest is over (otherwise, WB would have already been the PK)
So, it doesn't mean BB will not be the real last boss of Luffy. Last opponent doesn't mean necessarily final boss.

BB will have something to do with the things that will make Luffy recognized by people before he became recognized by Shanks.
And the Shanks act could be the epilogue.

So, I vote for Shanks.

 

[bittman]

The one logical flaw I see with your argument there is that Luffy will beat Shanks to "be recognised by Shanks ... as the pirate king. Because being the PK means you are recognised by everyone as the PK"

Firstly, Shanks is one of FOUR Yonkou who a true Pirate King would probably have to sway. Secondly, Shanks is the only Yonkou who recognised Luffy from day 1, they might fight as a test but Shanks already has this notion Luffy will surpass him and other pirates would not be so easily swayed. I don't see how Shanks would be like "oh you've given it your all Luffy, now I shall test if you are really ready to be the Pirate King" because that implies that he is the strongest pirate in the world by a large amount. If Luffy even defeats Blackbeard by a hair, Shanks should not be on an entirely extra level.

And I don't really get your "last opponent does not equal final boss" thing. I get that you might be trying to say that the final opponent is more than just a fight, but this is like everything Luffy is not. If something can't be settled with fists, Luffy has no place there.

 

[kkck]

It is gonna be pandaman. The bastard has been plotting behind the scenes since the first chapter XD

 

[Phase]

I think Blackbeard will be the final boss that Luffy has to face to become the pirate king. I do NOT however think that it will be the final arc. I predict 1-2 major arcs in the series after Luffy becomes the pirate king. He has to make use of whatever they gain/learn on Raftel to take down the WG. The ancient weapons will likely be involved at that point as well.

I think Shanks will become Luffy's Whitebeard.

 

[Metal D. Reaper]

No I think the last opponent will be the chief of all marines the one who is even stronger as the 3 admirals because we don't know who it is and we don't even know his name sooo he must be really strong also think about the story with the monoglyph in the end they will discover the truth and they will fight the grand boss and soo fight the three admirals too and the vice and blablabla....
Or the last opponent isn't appeared yet because the SH aren't in the new world soo who knows

 

[bittman]

No I think the last opponent will be the chief of all marines the one who is even stronger as the 3 admirals because we don't know who it is and we don't even know his name sooo he must be really strong also think about the story with the monoglyph in the end they will discover the truth and they will fight the grand boss and soo fight the three admirals too and the vice and blablabla....
Or the last opponent isn't appeared yet because the SH aren't in the new world soo who knows

Umm...Sengoku? http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/234/04/

EDIT:

I think Shanks will become Luffy's Whitebeard.

Whitebeard was Roger's eternal rival as they fought many times for many reasons and opposing ideologies. The closest thing Luffy would have to a Whitebeard would be Kidd and Law imo.

 

[kkck]

I think Shanks will become Luffy's Whitebeard.

I would rather see a supernova do that. IMO if luffy is to have a rival crew like roger did, it should be one that belongs to his own generation.

 

[Randomcircle]

For Zoro , I think that after being the best swordman..in the world..he will be beaten like a cow by tashigi lol

for Luffy I vote Dragon. Blackbeard may be is rival..but Dragon appears to be is Nemesis..
What Blackbeard want is pretty obvious but for me Dragon want to destroy the gouvernement. The end as I see it..will be Raftel being the capital of the ancient civilisation who wrote the poneglyph..I see Dragon wanting to use a ancient weapon..now that he can reach raftel with the help of his son.

 

[Metal D. Reaper]

why did you vote fragon itzs the father of luffy and fragon wants to meet his son also why would dragon fight him because dragon wants to destroy the gouvernement and luffy declared war to them by burning their flag at the gate of justice when they wanted to rescue robin

 

[Randomcircle]

there is a difference between declaring war..to change a system..and to commit a genocide.

Luffy doesn't wish the death of innocent people..and I don't think Dragon has the same point or view.

and remember people even if OP can be hilarious..we already saw a revolution (Alabasta) at the beginning of the story.It is the red line of OP , a world which is in need of change.

 

[Gecko Moria]

there is a difference between declaring war..to change a system..and to commit a genocide.

Luffy doesn't wish the death of innocent people..and I don't think Dragon has the same point or view.

and remember people even if OP can be hilarious..we already saw a revolution (Alabasta) at the beginning of the story.It is the red line of OP , a world which is in need of change.

While I think you're correct in saying there is a difference between revolution and change I'm not totally convinced that Dragon is the type of person that would massacre innocent people. I can say this since ALL the people the Luffy's family that we have met so far are good and honorable people (even Garp who is in the Navy).

 

[Randomcircle]

not metting up so far doesn't mean it does not exist , no ? he seems to be the expeditious type. what you cannot change , you destroy it. It solves the matter.

 

[Gecko Moria]

not metting up so far doesn't mean it does not exist , no ? he seems to be the expeditious type. what you cannot change , you destroy it. It solves the matter.

Saying "we have not met him yet so we don't know" is not valid reasoning to back up a theory (for example, I could say Jimbei has the power to make the world explode by laughing and then support it with the same statement )

I made my reply in the light of what we know so far considering we know nearly nothing about Dragon currently. While I admit Dragon does seem like the "expeditious" type as you have said, I am still not convinced he would kill innocent people to achieve his goal. If he did this, he would be no better than than corrupt government he is trying to overthrow

 

[Randomcircle]

Saying "we have not met him yet so we don't know" is not valid reasoning to back up a theory (for example, I could say Jimbei has the power to make the world explode by laughing and then support it with the same statement )

I made my reply in the light of what we know so far considering we know nearly nothing about Dragon currently. While I admit Dragon does seem like the "expeditious" type as you have said, I am still not convinced he would kill innocent people to achieve his goal. If he did this, he would be no better than than corrupt government he is trying to overthrow

lol , I was teasing you (but it seems you understood it ^^)
So , you're assuming that someone who put the life of common people to death by starting a revolution isn't the type to commit a genocide ? more to it add the sentence "what do we do Mr Dragon ?" "the wind has start to flow from a other side.." which Dragon said..Basically he is starting a revolution..spreading it..and vanish..to start a new one..he doesn't care about the change , the revolution he made..does..

actually he is worst than the gouvernement , he is trying to overthrow.
he doesn't care about the change . if it was , he would try to organize or establish..some organization before leaving. Assuming this fact , he doesn't care about the consequences and the people involve. All , he wants is to overthrow the world. So , he is highly recommanded to purchase a genocide. But , I might be wrong..on this one.

What , I won't deny , is the fact that he wants to overthrow the gouvernement not change it. more simply , he want to destroy not create.

I am sure of one thing he will use his son for his own purpose.