Discussion Who will be the last opponent?

[Onomatopoeia]

Umm...Sengoku? http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/234/04/

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Whitebeard was Roger's eternal rival as they fought many times for many reasons and opposing ideologies. The closest thing Luffy would have to a Whitebeard would be Kidd and Law imo.

I personally believe Luffy's Whitebeard will be Blackbeard. I think it would work perfectly all things considered, you know opposing idealogies. Plus I don't see Luffy killing BB if he is the final boss(and if Luffy does win).

Kidd and Law are interesting but I'd rather see them as two very powerful pirates at the end. Perhaps similar to the two remaining Yonkous that are left.

 

[Razh]

lol , I was teasing you (but it seems you understood it ^^)
So , you're assuming that someone who put the life of common people to death by starting a revolution isn't the type to commit a genocide ? more to it add the sentence "what do we do Mr Dragon ?" "the wind has start to flow from a other side.." which Dragon said..Basically he is starting a revolution..spreading it..and vanish..to start a new one..he doesn't care about the change , the revolution he made..does..

actually he is worst than the gouvernement , he is trying to overthrow.
he doesn't care about the change . if it was , he would try to organize or establish..some organization before leaving. Assuming this fact , he doesn't care about the consequences and the people involve. All , he wants is to overthrow the world. So , he is highly recommanded to purchase a genocide. But , I might be wrong..on this one.

What , I won't deny , is the fact that he wants to overthrow the gouvernement not change it. more simply , he want to destroy not create.

I am sure of one thing he will use his son for his own purpose.

I strongly disagree here.
How does Dragon put common people to death? That's not revolution. He and his boys don't jump into countries and kill everyone. Revolutions are done differently. That's why the Revolutionaries are such a big threat to WG. They influence and help people to overthrow WG authority in their own lands.
The same WG which sends everyone who doesn't join to build that 700 year old bridge and die. The same WG which destroyed Ohara and killed all the people on it.

 

[Randomcircle]

his way to act is the same as to kill someone. For , you someone who start a revolution without worrying of the future of this country is not putting the common people (without fighting power) to death ? (cause you do think that after a revolution the gouvernement doesn't come to clear the fact ? Dragon Vanishing who is gonna fight ?...)

He use their hope and then disappear he influence them and then leave them with the problems..It was the same as Alabasta. When Vivi wanted to stop the revolution without..dead. To start a revolution imply death..

Being a Dictator or being with the Revolutionnaries is the same..at the end you're a murderer. The rest is a Question of Ideology.

Putting someone to deathrow or giving him a sword to go to his death for freedom..is the same when you're are the instigator. you're a murderer.

Dragon is no Better..Look at your own History..the Revolutionnar are not put on the same scale as the dictator ? In Ideological term..No. In Human Term they are Slaughterer .

 

[Razh]

Well, seems to me that you are assuming too much here. We haven't really seen a single Revolution performed by Dragon.
And yes, there are some possible problems after the one. But we've seen how WG treats people who are against it. And Dragon isn't responsible for all the problems that may come after the revolution. There can't be one if the people of the country aren't willing. And freedom doesn't come without cost. Shit happens.
But we've seen how WG works, and probably a lot of countries are forced to become a part of it.

 

[Yabe]

Well, I think what Randomcircle said is inevitably true about the side effects of the revolutions... although I still don't think that it's enough to make him suitable to be the final boss for Luffy, or says as Luffy is hero no. 1 of this manga, the final boss of One Piece.

Yeah, by his title as a revolutionist we can assume that Dragon's probably treated all common people's life as some tool while Luffy are more sensitive to seeing innocent people being assaulted.
But because One Piece is about adventure and era of pirates, I don't think Oda would set Luffy's determination in his final battle to be to defeat Dragon (if trying to overthrown the WG would really make him turn out to be the most evil man in the story as you guessed) in order to correct the wrongs of the world instead of taking the biggest step to announce the world people that he's the most wanted man, the great, powerful and supposedly to be fearful man of all those sailing in the oceans; the Pirate King!

I think just for the reason to defeat Dragon to forbid him from successing his revolutionary purpose alone seems wrong to fit to be the aim of Luffy's 'becoming Pirate King' final battle. Adjusting the world can only be a consequence of his last fight in the story imo, because it's only heroical but doesn't has much of the fantasy.

 

[Randomcircle]

You're Both true . I am assuming too much but it is my point or view..I've just add some arguement..I explained it cause It doesn't seems to be understood. And Yabe might be totally correct..I might be putting too much sense on a world without any

By the way Thanks Yabe I didn't know Karate Shoukoushi Kohinata Minoru..I read it a couple weeks thanks to you and your sig and I Love it." I am actually reading the raw Volume 11.."

 

[Gecko Moria]

his way to act is the same as to kill someone. For , you someone who start a revolution without worrying of the future of this country is not putting the common people (without fighting power) to death ? (cause you do think that after a revolution the gouvernement doesn't come to clear the fact ? Dragon Vanishing who is gonna fight ?...)

He use their hope and then disappear he influence them and then leave them with the problems..It was the same as Alabasta. When Vivi wanted to stop the revolution without..dead. To start a revolution imply death..

Being a Dictator or being with the Revolutionnaries is the same..at the end you're a murderer. The rest is a Question of Ideology.

Putting someone to deathrow or giving him a sword to go to his death for freedom..is the same when you're are the instigator. you're a murderer.

Dragon is no Better..Look at your own History..the Revolutionnar are not put on the same scale as the dictator ? In Ideological term..No. In Human Term they are Slaughterer .

Definition of revolution:
1. a drastic and far-reaching change in ways of thinking and behaving;
2. the overthrow of a government by those who are governed

A revolution does not necessarily require the deaths of innocent people. For example, there was no genocide of deaths in the Industrial Revolution. All Dragon wants to do is overthrow the government i.e. remove them from power. Sure, a few navy marines and revolutionaries will get killed in the ensuing battle, but how would the murdering masses of innocent people serve Dragon's cause?

 

[Randomcircle]

As you say it yourself "Not necessarily" . For the Industrial Revolution , you're right but we are not in this case..but in the second one. to be more precise , for me Luffy is the Ideological Definition of the first definition you put on the word revolution and his father the second.

Put that aside..I've said that Dragon way to think is the same as killing Innocent people..cause he isn't really helping them just use them for his own purpose "overthrow the gouvernement".

1. I didn't say it will actually serve a purpose..I've said "Putting someone to deathrow or giving him a sword to go to his death for freedom..is the same when you're are the instigator. you're a murderer." And I don't think he has a cause..just an ambition. so he don't care who die or not. who he use or not.

2. Personnal point of view I don't think he has really a planified purpose..He isn't constructive in his approach. He appears closer to an Anarchist to me than a revolutionnar.

3. So Actually Dragon wants to overthrow and not change the system. So , for me when he actually will realize he can't..(cause he can't overthrow the gouvernement..change it is possible...too much powerful to be overthrow..) he will try to destroy it.

And I've already said I might be wrong Like Yabe said it is a Fantasy-Shounen..I have surely a too much Drastic vision of the story.

 

[ofir271]

must be laboon-luffy always keeps his word

 

[RichardMNixon]

BB, Shanks, and Dragon are definitely the three on the list that seem most plausible. I could also see Smoker or Coby as a possibility, but probably BB.

 

[beastboy]

The last enemy will be don flamingo, just because of the new era and drems I think it was a good end luffy fighting against his own nakamas, and then just because of his will to complete is dream he liberts from the akuma no mi power and beat don flamingo.
But the last batle will be luffy vs laboon *.*

 

[toxun]

I think it's not about physical person, it's about idea. It's how Luffy will deal with himself after he acquire his goal (to be the Pirate King). Because the will in himself that make a person to go on to chase his/her dream, the enemy of him lies in himselves . Let's wait what will happened after he conquered later part of grand line, will he find another goal or not.

 

[guiguizmo]

I think Cobby will be Luffy's last opponent.

 

[Sunny-Go]

Add Coby to the Vote for me please.

 

[Yabe]

I could add him but then I think the poll won't reflect anymore the correct result. It was created for a long time now with the "Other, unreveal characters" option for the people who think that none of the 7 names above suit but have Coby, or another character in their mind to submit their vote. So I would suggest you choose that "other" option and elaborate your different thoughts here.

About Coby, in case Oda plans to have the last battle grand and desperate, the problem I have with this character is his strength which's obviously far inferior to Luffy's and despite his continuous training I really doubt Coby will return later as a match for him and that the battler will give much excitement to the readers.

 

[Organizized]

Nooo, nooo, you've got it all wrong, man.. Didn't you see how much Coby evolved since the first time we saw him? I'd say, based on how strong they both were when they first met, almost as much as Luffy. And he's being trained by Garp.

One Piece is a manga very much focused around fulfilling your dreams. Coby's dream is to become a marine admiral. Thus, there's no way he won't become much stronger from now on. And while I don't think Coby is going to be Luffy's opponent in the "last battle grand finale", I definitely think they're going to battle again in the future, and I definitely think it will be a two-sided fight.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

About Coby, in case Oda plans to have the last battle grand and desperate, the problem I have with this character is his strength which's obviously far inferior to Luffy's and despite his continuous training I really doubt Coby will return later as a match for him and that the battler will give much excitement to the readers.

If I remember, when we met Kobby, he was not able to fight, he was a teenage and was not even at a normal teenage'strenght : I mean I was better at fighting than him. On his side, Luffy was already really strong when he began his journey on East Blue : he had been trained by Garp and Garp's friend with Ace in his town and already had a strong pure strenght.
At Water Seven, Luffy was at a level upper than Lucci and Kobby was able to use Soru. For me, the ratio between their strenght is less important than it was at the beginning of the manga.
Moreover, since the Water 7 meeting he has obtained a strong and trained body, he will now be able to learn very good marines'techniques : I think he has done the more difficult for him : being able to change from a crying baby to a strong marine. With his will, now that he is physically able to do it, Garp will make of him a super marine fighter.
Do not worry about it, especially now that Garp knows his link with Luffy and has a similar age : I do not if people have noticed it : Garp wanted to make of Luffy a strong marine but the " fate " has decided of that differently and now he is concentrated on making Kobby a strong marine : Kobby has taken Luffy's place in the Marine camp for Garp, Kobby is what Luffy was supposed to become for Garp.
Moreover, there is also the possibility that Kobby obtained an upgrade with a DF whereas Luffy has already eaten his DF.

 

[wristbandsnow]

Who will be the last opponent?
I thinking is not right title for human life. Because you and me know every thing is possible in our life. Please take care and save your thought.

 

[Evohwoo]

It will either be BB or Don Quichotte.
We just see too much of BB evolve into a very strong character for not being one of Luffys last or the last opponent.

 

[thunderhead6482]

Before I found this thread I thought i was the only that thought BB was special and was gonna be the strongest opponent lol.