Why didn't Elizabeth recognize Sun?

[Gallon]

Jelamet, Ludociel, Sariel, and Tarmiel all recognized it as Mael's power. Elizabeth likely kept it hidden for the sake of plot, that's all.

 

[Seven777]

fair point. But wouldn't the feeling of the grace be familiar?

You'd think so, but maybe its only familiar if you've possessed one yourself, maybe its not something you can normally sense at all. Or maybe she just didnt connect the dots because she doesnt care

 

[OtakuFreak]

Jelamet, Ludociel, Sariel, and Tarmiel all recognized it as Mael's power. Elizabeth likely kept it hidden for the sake of plot, that's all.

This.

Elizabeth never expressed shock at the display or mention of the graces.

At the conference room where everyone was shocked about Escanor having "Maels grace" - Elizabeth had a blank expression.

When Sariel and Tarmiel used their Graces? Elizabeth once again had a blank expression to seeing them.

Since fodder Goddesses and even enemy demons seem to be aware of the graces, I'm not sure why we are questioning whether or not the princess of the Goddess Clan is aware of them.

Elizabeth seems very knowledgeable of her own clan and it's powers, she just holds her tongue quiet a lot.

 

[Gut's is the man]

You'd think so, but maybe its only familiar if you've possessed one yourself, maybe its not something you can normally sense at all. Or maybe she just didnt connect the dots because she doesnt care

That sounds more like it creates a plothole then trying to hide a twist. (jelmet sensed it)

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This.

Elizabeth never expressed shock at the display or mention of the graces.

At the conference room where everyone was shocked about Escanor having "Maels grace" - Elizabeth had a blank expression.

When Sariel and Tarmiel used their Graces? Elizabeth once again had a blank expression to seeing them.

Since fodder Goddesses and even enemy demons seem to be aware of the graces, I'm not sure why we are questioning whether or not the princess of the Goddess Clan is aware of them.

Elizabeth seems very knowledgeable of her own clan and it's powers, she just holds her tongue quiet a lot.

She wouldn't be like huh, that power of escanor's is familar, where have I felt it before? Could have just been one frame.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

Odds are it's probably just a plot hole. That or she just never really was on the battlefield with Mael to sense the graces presence. Which makes sense because of the whole I don't like fighting philosophy of hers

 

[OtakuFreak]

Dude let's not try to smear Liz's character. I'm kinda just getting sick of those who pooped on her or place her on a pedestal.

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That sounds irresponsible for a princess of her clan.

It's a problem of her not recognizing it and more not even getting a inkling of familiarity to it.

How is it irresponsible for Elizabeth?

As far as we know, only the Four Archangels and Elizabeth's mother have a connection to the graces. Since Elizabeth isn't the confirmed heir to the throne yet or in a position to notice the graces, she doesn't need to pay attention to them.

Plus, not only did Elizabeth not apparently not "notice" the graces, neither did Meliodas and Merlin when they spent years with Escanor?

It's just Nakaba keeping things hidden. I'm pretty sure everyone knows what sunshine is considering Maels popularity..

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Odds are it's probably just a plot hole. That or she just never really was on the battlefield with Mael to sense the graces presence. Which makes sense because of the whole I don't like fighting philosophy of hers

It's a plot hole.

Merlin, Meliodas and the Ten Commandments never mentioned Escanors power being "Maels grace" despite being aware of the graces in general.

Elizabeth never said anything because Nakaba probably didn't figure out what to do with Escanors power. Keep it a mystery or link it with a God?

 

[Seven777]

That sounds more like it creates a plothole then trying to hide a twist. (jelmet sensed it)

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She wouldn't be like huh, that power of escanor's is familar, where have I felt it before? Could have just been one frame.

True, havent read the side story Jelmet appears in, whats it called? But if she sensed it then my theory goes out the window. I suppose its feasible that Elizabeth never spent any time around Mael while Sunshine was active, he'd likely be on the battlefield whenever the sun is up, and even Ludociel couldnt sense Sunshine from night Esscanor.
Its probably just a plot hole though, tbh i never was a big fan of Sunshine being a grace, and Mael kinda sucks too.

 

[Gallon]

True, havent read the side story Jelmet appears in, whats it called?

Refer to this post.

 

[titantron91]

Plot hole
or
Elizabeth just doesn't care about anything not Meliodas

 

[Gut's is the man]

Plot hole
or
Elizabeth just doesn't care about anything not Meliodas

One makes Elizabeth both a idiot and the bad guy in the current situation or Nakaba is slipping. I go with option one.

 

[T25]

One makes Elizabeth both a idiot and the bad guy in the current situation or Nakaba is slipping. I go with option one.

Why is it necessary for her to say or indicate anything about it?

 

[Seven777]

Why is it necessary for her to say or indicate anything about it?

The fact that its been torturing night Escanor his entire life, or the possibility the AA might come try to kill Escanor for it. If she knew, not telling anyone would be terrible and stupid

 

[Gut's is the man]

Why is it necessary for her to say or indicate anything about it?

Because her not noticing anything is really dumb. The fact it didn't even feel familiar is odd.

 

[T25]

The fact that its been torturing night Escanor his entire life, or the possibility the AA might come try to kill Escanor for it. If she knew, not telling anyone would be terrible and stupid

Escanor gave no indication of suffering to it to them. How is it terrible and stupid? What sake does it serve to be called stupid?

Because her not noticing anything is really dumb. The fact it didn't even feel familiar is odd.

Why? Even after the fact she gave no reaction. It was consistent. Why was that dumb? I can’t quite grasp your reason.

Ah you said “not noticing” is that it? In that case, she gave no indication that she hadn’t, as stated before.

 

[revo]

You guys here are making her being the bad guy or whatever as if Nakaba made a panel of Elizabeth thinking "hey that's Sunshine but Im not saying it lol" or as if somehow she knew Escanor suffered and still didn't give a damn.
You're overthinking this too much. Yes Elizabeth is extremely naive but people put her as if she did something unforgivable. The "Sunshine is a grace" plot wasn't for that moment, that's all.

 

[Gut's is the man]

Escanor gave no indication of suffering to it to them. How is it terrible and stupid? What sake does it serve to be called stupid?



Why? Even after the fact she gave no reaction. It was consistent. Why was that dumb? I can’t quite grasp your reason.

Ah you said “not noticing” is that it? In that case, she gave no indication that she hadn’t, as stated before.

She regained her memories and she didn't feel the power of her own mother being used by Escanor?

Except their was no indication that she had.

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You guys here are making her being the bad guy or whatever as if Nakaba made a panel of Elizabeth thinking "hey that's Sunshine but Im not saying it lol" or as if somehow she knew Escanor suffered and still didn't give a damn.
You're overthinking this too much. Yes Elizabeth is extremely naive but people put her as if she did something unforgivable. The "Sunshine is a grace" plot wasn't for that moment, that's all.

But it could have been forshadowed. (he forshadowed the demon king using Hawk as a proxy by drawing a miniature of him in hawks eye during a group panel. No way Nakaba wouldn't forshadow Escanor's grace in the same instance.)

 

[MrSchmitty7]

If Ludoshel was able to tell that the graces would kill a human even though humans have never used graces in the past, I think Elizabeth would know as well. Even Gowther knew and Merlin knew there were problems with the grace since edinburgh.

I really don’t care whether Elizabeth alerts Escanor or not, but one would think she would let him know about the dangers. Or at least mention it’s origin as that could lead to Merlin making a scientific breakthrough for Escanor due to having new information. Either way a notification seems like basic decency.

 

[revo]

But it could have been forshadowed. (he forshadowed the demon king using Hawk as a proxy by drawing a miniature of him in hawks eye during a group panel. No way Nakaba wouldn't forshadow Escanor's grace in the same instance.)

Yes I think it could've been foreshadowed too, in fact that moment would've been correct to mention it, but that's Nakaba making a plot hole or he just wanted Ludo to notice Sunshine because he's the brother of the one who had the grace, which is far more different and deep than making Elizabeth pointing it in a single panel.
Elizabeth not being the first talking about Mael and Sunshine is just Nakaba's story telling, not a thing that contributes to Elizabeth's character.

 

[T25]

She regained her memories and she didn't feel the power of her own mother being used by Escanor?

Except their was no indication that she had.

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But it could have been forshadowed. (he forshadowed the demon king using Hawk as a proxy by drawing a miniature of him in hawks eye during a group panel. No way Nakaba wouldn't forshadow Escanor's grace in the same instance.)

If Ludoshel was able to tell that the graces would kill a human even though humans have never used graces in the past, I think Elizabeth would know as well. Even Gowther knew and Merlin knew there were problems with the grace since edinburgh.

I really don’t care whether Elizabeth alerts Escanor or not, but one would think she would let him know about the dangers. Or at least mention it’s origin as that could lead to Merlin making a scientific breakthrough for Escanor due to having new information. Either way a notification seems like basic decency.

The blade of rhitta the appearance of the SD, were these not your foreshadowing? Why does this responsibility fall on elis head? Mel gave no indication of his knowledge of gowther. Merlin gave no indication of her relation to Eli. But you could connect it when the reveal came.

How long was it between Eli awakening and chandlers attack? Then how long was it between Elis return to the six. And then how long was it between that and ludos scuffle with escanor?

 

[Seven777]

Escanor gave no indication of suffering to it to them.

Ludociel knew Sun was destroying him, assuming Elizabeth knows anything about graces(if she's just ignorant, then perhaps she doesnt even know Sunshine's a grace), would likely know as well.

How is it terrible and stupid? What sake does it serve to be called stupid?.

Not sure what you mean when you say "what sake does it serve to call her stupid", but as for why her not revealing such information is terrible and stupid, its because it means that she:
1 - Chose not to help Escanor, her comrade, when she could have
2 - Put Escanor's life in danger by not warning him that the AA might be coming to take back the grace that unbeknownst to him, is inside him

Though i highly doubt Elizabeth knew that Sunshine was a grace