Voting Round 3 Xehanort vs. Son Goku

[cracker]

How did Xehanort beat Broly??? If he's dropping DBZ characters then Goku might be next lol

 

[Sky]

How did Xehanort beat Broly??? If he's dropping DBZ characters then Goku might be next lol

Norting Broly would be even easier.

 

[cracker]

Norting Broly would be even easier.

Is the Broly in Super significantly weaker than the original? If not this guy should have gotten stomped.

 

[Sky]

Is the Broly in Super significantly weaker than the original? If not this guy should have gotten stomped.

No he isn’t. And no Xehanort is still universes above fighting monkeys. Especially blind ones like Broly.
Saiyans can’t block magic.

 

[Demonspeed]

Is the Broly in Super significantly weaker than the original? If not this guy should have gotten stomped.

No. DBS Broly is stronger.

 

[SonOfDaws]

Honestly, I don't know about all the KH3 craziness that Xehanort can do there and I seriously respect @Juviii 's campaign, so I'll provide a legitimate explanation on why I think Xehanort wins this match-up despite being such a meme.

In large part, it comes down to what Sky touched *upon:

We have to say that they don't know each other. Xehanort is not a power type at all after all. He is smart enough to realize, that Goku is.

Then we have to say that Goku is usually too pure to be controlled. If he starts like he usually does and turns SSJ, which includes rage, one could argue that Xehanort could overtake Gokus heart and take over his body.

We could also just have Xehanort stop time. Goku can't defend against magic after all. Then Xehanort opens Gokus heart and turns him into a heartless. And end of battle.

Goku is a very intelligent fighter and Ultra Instinct exemplifies and amplifies Goku's sort of intelligence.

However, he's up against an opponent, Xehanort, that without a doubt is a less talented fighter but is generally very intelligent and can prey upon Goku's character flaws (general stupidity, arrogance, and carelessness) as well as one particular inherent flaw with most of Goku's power, reliance on negative emotion (anger to be specific).

In fact, not only has Xehanort done this before, but he's also done this multiple times before and has done so to such great effect to a person with similar flaws as Goku, Terra, that he was able to take possession of that victim's body which gave Xehanort his more iconic appearances, bind up the bodies form soul, and use that to aid him in battle too.

Terra powering himself up using anger, very much like going super saiyan in Dragon Ball.

The result:

Xehanort taking over his body.

What became of the victim's soul:

Even after the body and soul(s) were forcibly made separate, (something that could be among the techniques Vegeta is on the path to mastering), both the body and the soul that was actually freed remained subjugated to Xehanort and primarily retained his essence after losing his memories

It is also worth noting that the victim's soul was so effectively taken over that the multiple versions of Xehanort, even the divided heart and body, could still summon and use the victim's soul to fight for him.

All that being said, I don't think any of this would be relevant if Goku stayed in his base, god ki, or UI forms... Even without any transformations and based off of what I know of Xehanort's immense power pre-KH3... it wouldn't even be a battle. Not even kind of, the power level is so great that I think the toughest part of the battle would be getting Goku to even take Xehanort seriously enough to even lift a finger and when he does Nort-y would be done. Annihilated. Could literally be wiped from existence.

All Goku would have to do is not try to transform into a super saiyan... that's all. Just don't transform or give into Xehanort provocations. Could easily beat him as long as he doesn-

But that was a special case. He had to transform to have chance at beating Buu. If Goku was up against a much weaker opponent, then surely he wou-

Literally feeds the guy after the slightest provocation. In fact, he feeds him to death.

In a world like Dragon Ball's with fights that are typically more physical than mental, Goku is on the level of the gods, but against an opponent that exploits the heart and mind, Goku is putty in his hands. Very dangerous, explosive, and loud putty, but putty none the less.

Votekill Kakka carrot cake

 

[Demonspeed]

He has a Stand?!

 

[SonOfDaws]

He has a Stand?!

Not only does he have stando power, but his stand is what happened to the last guy that tried to come at him like Goku.

 

[Sky]

If Goku were a braindead teenager it would be different.

 

[Demonspeed]

Didn't Goku and co learn to transform without rage in the Cell Saga though?

 

[Sky]

SSJ is always based on rage. It is basic Saiyan logic.

 

[SonOfDaws]

It's possible that the amount of anger Goku needs to transform into SSJ in DBSuper is so little that its ordinarily not even worth noting, but still, getting to that point or just training up his SSJ form at all means Goku had to train himself to easily get anger and, power-ups aside, Goku is still getting fairly easily provoked well into DBSuper.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Does goku even need SSJ? He always starts fight in basic, like seen against Jiren and if he only doesnt is a match for his opponent he powers up.

 

[Sky]

Does goku even need SSJ? He always starts fight in basic, like seen against Jiren and if he only doesnt is a match for his opponent he powers up.

Then stopping time still works.
Xehanort could just have him fight tons of heartless as well.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Then stopping time still works.
Xehanort could just have him fight tons of heartless as well.

Stopping time like hit? Thats a trick he already knows and already has countermeasures.

And why would goku have problems with them? He could just hover above them, blast them with little kiblasts and avoid/hit the flyers.

 

[Sky]

Stopping time like hit? Thats a trick he already knows and already has countermeasures.

And why would goku have problems with them? He could just hover above them, blast them with little kiblasts and avoid/hit the flyers.

Stopza doesn't work like that. And he can stop time in total as well.

 

[Riku]

I'm gonna vote Xehanort just because I saw some guys making fun of Donald Duck.

Donald is the man. A war veteran, The co-adventurer of the greatest adventure capitalist of all time.

Don't you dare make fun of Donald. He's a true hero.

 

[Hardy]

I'm gonna vote Xehanort just because I saw some guys making fun of Donald Duck.

Donald is the man. A war veteran, The co-adventurer of the greatest adventure capitalist of all time.

Don't you dare make fun of Donald. He's a true hero.

Tbf he ruins a scene that otherwise would be the best anime death ever (KH spoilers).

 

[Riku]

What hell. Donald didn't ruin the scene at all. Gave it more gravitas of anything.

 

[Juviii]

It's possible that the amount of anger Goku needs to transform into SSJ in DBSuper is so little that its ordinarily not even worth noting, but still, getting to that point or just training up his SSJ form at all means Goku had to train himself to easily get anger and, power-ups aside, Goku is still getting fairly easily provoked well into DBSuper.

His training for UI included having an empty mind. So in UI mode it won't work at all.