If that theme, an assumption but one with merit, continues, I wonder what Yeon Hana gave up? Did she wipe her memory a la Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind? Does her infertility/inability to feel gain her other abilities? Is this what enables her to gift Yeon family members her powers even though they aren't technically jus sanguinis.
If you think a bit hazily, you can tie together (a) gaining the life-restoring power of Yoga Yeon flame and (b) forswearing the life-creating power of Yeon. You do have to think pretty hazily/fuzzily to get there—in theory, at least, there's a long route from "will not feel love for opposite to sex" to "will never procreate"...but, I mean, so far as we know she's already walked that route.
What makes me think this might be it—or part of it—is the extreme rarity of any "supernatural healing" powers in ToG: the only examples we know of are (a) immortality-contract byproducts (Arlene, great warriors, Zahard), (b) likely derivatives thereof (Wangnan/Karaka), and (c) the flame of Yeon. The lack fo "enhanced medical facilities" really stands out to me: we have floating ships, synthetic people, living ignition weapons, magical blood transfusions, etc., but so far as we've seen tower medicine is at—at best—an essentially contemporary level and usually requires lots and lots of bedrest.
Which makes sense because the spice Melange shinsoo is life, hence those in control can heal and even create life in the tower. Though all irregulars should be able to control it naturally to some extent, we know that (Enryu aside) creating life is out of their reach (though obviously not for every irregular), but could healing up to actually raising the dead (we know Arlen alone could not do so) be in their purview without admin involvement?
Hence maybe Yeon Hana could already extend the healing flames as her innate power. Though, contracts being redundant for abilities you already posses is a thing, so....
Yeah, I kind of glossed over that part about the contracting myself - even when posting it here ITT. Would be nice for SIU to stick to his blogs of old (Imort who?), but I guess we'll see (in X years...).
Interesting thing about contracts - they have offer, acceptance, and consideration (among other components). Like the alchemy in FMA ('law of equivalent exchange') the CONSIDERATION that is offered and accepted by the party A must be assumed to be equal in value (can be subjective, not always monetarily equivalent) to the consideration of the offering party B. It has to, generally, be 'worth it' to both parties. (unilateral, predatory contracts aside....)
In ToG we see contracts have consequences - you don't gain without giving up (seemingly negative for the recipients of the gifts from the admin - the contracts are binding and don't seem to be worth it in the long run). We are told shinsoo contracts are (redundant and) 'shackles' - what is given up; we don't yet know. Bloodmadder, Hendo Lok, is infamous in that he gets his immortality extended in auto-renewing manners so long as he sacrifices his children to the Molechian administrators. 'Standard' immortality more than likely has its downsides - hence maybe why V refused the offer. Even the king's contract probably had a Midas' Touch element in that Zahard lost his humanity or decision-making or something to that effect has long been postulated.
If that theme, an assumption but one with merit, continues, I wonder what Yeon Hana gave up? Did she wipe her memory a la Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind? Does her infertility/inability to feel gain her other abilities? Is this what enables her to gift Yeon family members her powers even though they aren't technically jus sanguinis.
TLDR: I wonder what the contract had her give up; what were the terms?
From a general point of view, contracts do not always rhyme with negative sacrifices; there other types of and ways to payback for the validity of a contract e.g work contracts.
Evankhell had a contract in floor 2 that only needed her to keep the place in order as payback, and we saw her losing it and being fired when she engaged in a fight against the Zahard army.
From a general point of view, contracts do not always rhyme with negative sacrifices; there other types of and ways to payback for the validity of a contract e.g work contracts.
Evankhell had a contract in floor 2 that only needed her to keep the place in order as payback, and we saw her losing it and being fired when she engaged in a fight against the Zahard army.
The point was that - in ToG - they have a trade-off. Even your example of EVK has her bound to a floor as an employee of sorts. Subjective, but she's certainly given up an amount of freedom. We KNOW that shinsoo contracts are seen as 'shackles' by the very creature that offers the contract itself.
From a general point of view, contracts do not always rhyme with negative sacrifices; there other types of and ways to payback for the validity of a contract e.g work contracts.
Evankhell had a contract in floor 2 that only needed her to keep the place in order as payback, and we saw her losing it and being fired when she engaged in a fight against the Zahard army.
That was kinda just for show - the guardian sent Evankhell away on purpose. I think the firing was just cover. It is clear from the test on 2F and that action that the admin there is anti Zahard or at least pro Bam.
That was kinda just for show - the guardian sent Evankhell away on purpose. I think the firing was just cover. It is clear from the test on 2F and that action that the admin there is anti Zahard or at least pro Bam.
ToG - where one can find infanticide (probable neonaticide), genocide, filicide, human sacrifice, mass murder, murder games, torture/genetic manipulation, murder-suicide, childhood abandonment, psychological torture, isolation, tyranny/fascism, theft of youth, idolatry/cults, xenophobia/xenocide, probable rape, carrying dead babies around in your fanny pack, etc.
but the forbidden 'love' of a (not even actualized) incestuous relationship (and common Asian lit/mythos trope) is a bridge too far?
Gotta be something crazy enough to write off ALL MEN FOREVER. Just sayin'
@toil seemed to indicate that might have been retconned? Either way, I *agree* considering the depravity found elsewhere. It would be par for the course IMO.
It would be nice if she was really in love with V and Bam kind of resembles him
Yeon Hana "I can't feel love for the opposite sex due to my contract"
Bam "Hold my irregular powers"
It would be nice if she was really in love with V and Bam kind of resembles him
Yeon Hana "I can't feel love for the opposite sex due to my contract"
Bam "Hold my irregular powers"
''According to a rumour, she could not forget a man whom she broke up with a long time ago,'' this is what blogpost says about yeon hana,so zahard is obviously not the man she loved since zahard was always since the beginning of time arlene simp. It's quite likely V is the man she loved.
Plot twist: the 'man' she couldn't get over was Rei (more like manlet, manboy, etc), and this also explains his issue with love and betrayal (she contracted to forget him entirely, or to at least be over him forever). Thus, asshole Rei is born.
Going back to my 'many if not most contracts with admin have equivalent exchange which can often be a negative' theme - maybe this action birthed Leviathan.
Almost like when bad wishes were made with the dragonballs, it created the evil dragons or something to that effect.
Plot twist: the 'man' she couldn't get over was Rei (more like manlet, manboy, etc), and this also explains his issue with love and betrayal (she contracted to forget him entirely, or to at least be over him forever). Thus, asshole Rei is born.
Going back to my 'many if not most contracts with admin have equivalent exchange which can often be a negative' theme - maybe this action birthed Leviathan.
Almost like when bad wishes were made with the dragonballs, it created the evil dragons or something to that effect.
Or maybe Bloodmadder, right? SIU has a thing when it cames to making Villains. He got so many of them and maybe more in his Sleeve.
I loved how he draws Yurin's personally (from her dialoque with Yuri)
And i wish Hana had some kinds of resemblaces with Yurin as what i got they seems alike (only Hana has no child(or having secret child) and that she had gentle personality in contras to young Yurin(but much scarier when angry))
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I am more curious over the flame. How does it works after all? And is it her power being doubled by the gift or completely her power?
From what we all got, tower of God character having weapon or anything was just how much the user ability instead.
Just like Baam having red needle but he ia more amazing to be able to handle it(as what other characters commenting that)
I want to believe it's her own power, we don't need second Rachel in ToG.
Her flame seems to be herself just like Yeonhwa(from the gamer if you know it)
And she was like using kagebunshin..
I mean, i think wildly that she had been there already, she's the fish, she can control her power accordance to the part of her body power there..
We seen how yasracha turned himself to that purple thing, maybe Hana was the fire sweetfish
Maybe she said 'like that pig' was meant to Illarde. I believe she had her own problem that she need to form a family but doesn't want to no matter what reason and that start a family this way
Parting her power in which she didn't do towards her old comrades
I didn't what kind of situation Drive her that way tho
Evankhell and Hanna' master gave two flames to Hanna one who can burn everything and one who can resurrect.
And Evankhell said that nowadays it's very rare to find someone who inherit one of them.
She didn't say anything else.
Evankhell and Hanna' master gave two flames to Hanna one who can burn everything and one who can resurrect.
And Evankhell said that nowadays it's very rare to find someone who inherit one of them.
She didn't say anything else.
Sorry i can't remember where she said that but she actually said they was with the same master.
Hanna is probably one of the weaker with Traumerei and the two flames are not for power but one is to save her lover and the other who can burn the shinsho is able to stop Zahard and the other Family Leader.
It's the same thing like when Ha Jinsung gave an armor to Karaka not to fight but to survive.
A. Hana is said to be 'nice' by SIU
B. It is said she got her ancient flame from a Tower native. Given to her IIRC.
So, I guess that was under good relations and she didn't take it by force. Before Zahard turned on the Native Ones and their DDs.
Still, to me it's kind of a little lame that a FH's shining feature is just one of the 5 elements from the Native One she had to have given to her, and not something she developed herself. Basically, her trump card is just a Native One power, only a portion really, and her family rankers are basically just Native One DDs, with watered down powers.
