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I don't know if he's above Kaidou just yet. We don't know the specifics of the battle, all we know is Kaidou was intercepted and Shanks managed to reach Marineford in the same day. It could have been something similar to the meeting Whitebeard and Shanks had with Shanks managing to actually persuade Kaidou to not attack Whitebeard. If it was a fight, I doubt it was full blown or one to cause either side major damage.

Also now that we are back to discussing Kaidou, I will repost my observation that bumped this thread in the first place. I think Kaidou is wearing an animal skin mask instead of a metal one that was shown in the anime.
 

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I don't know if he's above Kaidou just yet. We don't know the specifics of the battle, all we know is Kaidou was intercepted and Shanks managed to reach Marineford in the same day. It could have been something similar to the meeting Whitebeard and Shanks had with Shanks managing to actually persuade Kaidou to not attack Whitebeard. If it was a fight, I doubt it was full blown or one to cause either side major damage.

Also now that we are back to discussing Kaidou, I will repost my observation that bumped this thread in the first place. I think Kaidou is wearing an animal skin mask instead of a metal one that was shown in the anime.
I didn't give him the title, Oda did.
 

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I didn't give him the title, Oda did.
I'm done discussing it here, we can continue it either here or here, but unless it involves Shanks, all Mihawk discussion in this thread should cease.
 

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Yeah stop about Mihwak it's boring...

I just saw this and it makes me bet that Marco has joined the Red-haired Pirates !
 

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Nah, Marco is probably going to lead the Whitebeard Pirates on his own. The Gorosei seems to acknowledge that fact themselves as he's mentioned along with the Yonkou as someone who has the power to stop Teach. Unfortunately, he probably doesn't have the resources anymore since people jumped Whitebeard's territories like vultures the moment he died.
 

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Yeah that's right anyway the WB pirates seemed really attached to their crew.
He also has a strong DF, but it's not like he is doing waves in the NW : Jimbei didn't talk about him, and I don't see how he could have become the unknown Shishibukai ^^

Also thanks for the cover where we can see all the Yonkous and Kaidou in a tight spot. Is it an iron mask that he wears or what? I so want to see Luffy's fight against him ...
 

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They are probably still around kicking it. Might be thinking about ways to go about taking Teach down if they hadn't tried to do so already.
 

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Sorry if this is offtopic.

But oda himself Stated Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in the world.
Rayleigh and Shanks are both Swordsman. So according to the author of the manga Mihawk is the strongest swordsman so above both shanks and Ryleigh.
Why are you still in denial?:confused:confused:confused:confused:confused

Both Roger and BB used guns in battles hence they are weaker than the world best sniper then?


Especially BB always has his pistols hanging around him but I believe he doesn't need them when he gets serious, well he did use them to shoot WB I think, you know what I mean.

---------- Post added at 04:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:51 PM ----------

Mihawk is called the Strongest Swordsman in the World by everyone who talks about him. Hype.

Rayleigh was the former right hand man to the Late Pirate King, whose known rivals were Garp and Whitebeard "The Strongest Man in the World". Hype.

Shanks is a Yonkou, one of the four most powerful pirates on the sea. Hype.

^ All of them still can beat the crap out of Bellamy, well at least they have some minimum strength in order to survive this long. However, it's quite hard to draw the line above this minimum requirement.
 
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Since it was pointed out in the chapter 733 discussion thread, the chapter 693 colour spread does heavily imply that the only unknown character is Kaido - I unfortunately didn't notice that before =/.

To me, that fraction of a glimpse we get of that characters face reminds me of an Elbaf Giant. Putting that image beside Hajrudin's face and Dorry and Brogy's it does appear (to me at least) that the unknown character has a mouth feature similar to the Elbaf Giants.



This would help to explain why Moriah is so obsessed with "Giants" - Oars and Oars Jr. He may feel he needs a Giant to beat a Giant =/.

Law's statement of referring to Kaido as a creature would make sense as Elbaf Giants aren't human. If Kaido as an Elbaf Giant has a [beast-themed] Zoan-type Devil Fruit, I could see where the epithet "Kaido of the Beasts" could come from. It could also come from the fact that he has hundreds of "beast" Zoan-type Devil Fruit users under his command. I suppose an extremely ferocious "beast"/"creature" eating a Mythical Zoan, like a potential Giant Giant Fruit, Model: Titan (or the Typhon model others have theorised about) or a Titan Titan Fruit, Model: Typhon could also make sense. We have Human Human related Fruits, so why not a Giant/Titan related one?

Or just to throw it out there, Kaido might just be one of the experiments Vegapunk and the World Government experimented on to create artificial Giants, especially if Vegapunk were using the Elbaf Giant as a base and experimented with different "beast" parts to strengthen the being and give it raw power equaling that of Giants. If Kaido was a "creation" from an experiment, it wouldn't be too strange for him to rely on experiments again to power his crew - the SMILE.

The only information we have about Elbaf is stories from Elbaf Giants who hadn't been to Elbaf in decades so even they could be unaware of what actually may be happening in Elbaf. It just seem strange that for such a focused on location - revealed early on in One Piece, we hadn't had any information concerning its current affairs at all, this may be intentionally by Oda.

Jaguar D. Saul in chapter 392 stated that the Giants from Elbaf were "barbaric", probably mainly due to their pride and honor of following through with those "death duels". I suppose not all Elbaf Giants could be like Dorry, Brogy, Omoi and Kashi. With the revelation that there is this "new generation" of Elbaf Giants, it makes you wonder about the "old generation" and what the difference or differences are. Hajrudin did note that he hasn't seen any Elbaf Giant with a Logia Devil Fruit ability, so I suppose until proven wrong, we could take Hajrudin's word for it. Hajrudin also expressed interest in becoming the "King of all Giants", and because of that intention, he competed for the Mera Mera no Mi. If he saw himself needing the Mera Mera no Mi to gain enough power to rise to the top of Giants, then there must be some incredibly powerful Giants out there - Kaido? If we assume Kaido's crew is filled with a substantial amount of Giants, I can see how giving those Giants a Zoan-type Devil Fruit could be concerning and...scary...

If Kaido does have some association with Elbaf, then we may get to see some story of Saul's family, the ones who inherit the "D" get some coverage or at least more information on the "Will of D" revealed. It would seem appropriate to have some information regarding the "Will of D" revealed when a Yonko is in focus - just like how it was with Whitebeard.

It also seem strangely coincidental that when Kaido's names pops up, some development concerning Giants closely follows (Thriller Bark - Oars the 'Continent Puller', Punk Hazard - Giant experiments and the World Governments desire for Giant Soldiers, Dressrosa - Hajrudin and this "new generation" of Elbaf Giants).

Anyway, I'm sure many of us have wondered just how strong a Giant is, making Kaido, one of the Yonko a Giant would be an incredibly interesting development. Just the sheer size of a Giant would induce fear and terror in the common man, combine that with the raw strength Giants wield and the influence and "power" of a Yonko, then you have yourself one fearsome individual. Is this why Doflamingo is so afraid of Kaido? Because Kaido has such a natural strength on top of having enough power and influence to be one of the Yonko =/?

If Elbaf is related to Kaido, it would be one incredibly exciting arc and would potentially have the additional benefit of forcing Usopp into game mode and seeing him grasp a hold of his flickering courage and resolve (alongside his cowardice and fear of course =D). And if Jaguar D. Sual is related in some way, Robin could also have a major part to play (Chopper and Nami had their moment with the Giant kids on Punk Hazard; Franky, Usopp, Sanji and Luffy are having their moment now helping Soldier-san, the Dwarves, Viola, Rebecca, and Law).
 

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Don't get me wrong, shanks is one of my fav's but he is just an extremely capable haki user and swordsman, I'm much more interested in Kaido and what he is / is capable of.
 

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Since it was pointed out in the chapter 733 discussion thread, the chapter 693 colour spread does heavily imply that the only unknown character is Kaido - I unfortunately didn't notice that before =/.

To me, that fraction of a glimpse we get of that characters face reminds me of an Elbaf Giant. Putting that image beside Hajrudin's face and Dorry and Brogy's it does appear (to me at least) that the unknown character has a mouth feature similar to the Elbaf Giants.



This would help to explain why Moriah is so obsessed with "Giants" - Oars and Oars Jr. He may feel he needs a Giant to beat a Giant =/.

Law's statement of referring to Kaido as a creature would make sense as Elbaf Giants aren't human. If Kaido as an Elbaf Giant has a [beast-themed] Zoan-type Devil Fruit, I could see where the epithet "Kaido of the Beasts" could come from. It could also come from the fact that he has hundreds of "beast" Zoan-type Devil Fruit users under his command. I suppose an extremely ferocious "beast"/"creature" eating a Mythical Zoan, like a potential Giant Giant Fruit, Model: Titan (or the Typhon model others have theorised about) or a Titan Titan Fruit, Model: Typhon could also make sense. We have Human Human related Fruits, so why not a Giant/Titan related one?

Or just to throw it out there, Kaido might just be one of the experiments Vegapunk and the World Government experimented on to create artificial Giants, especially if Vegapunk were using the Elbaf Giant as a base and experimented with different "beast" parts to strengthen the being and give it raw power equaling that of Giants. If Kaido was a "creation" from an experiment, it wouldn't be too strange for him to rely on experiments again to power his crew - the SMILE.

The only information we have about Elbaf is stories from Elbaf Giants who hadn't been to Elbaf in decades so even they could be unaware of what actually may be happening in Elbaf. It just seem strange that for such a focused on location - revealed early on in One Piece, we hadn't had any information concerning its current affairs at all, this may be intentionally by Oda.

Jaguar D. Saul in chapter 392 stated that the Giants from Elbaf were "barbaric", probably mainly due to their pride and honor of following through with those "death duels". I suppose not all Elbaf Giants could be like Dorry, Brogy, Omoi and Kashi. With the revelation that there is this "new generation" of Elbaf Giants, it makes you wonder about the "old generation" and what the difference or differences are. Hajrudin did note that he hasn't seen any Elbaf Giant with a Logia Devil Fruit ability, so I suppose until proven wrong, we could take Hajrudin's word for it. Hajrudin also expressed interest in becoming the "King of all Giants", and because of that intention, he competed for the Mera Mera no Mi. If he saw himself needing the Mera Mera no Mi to gain enough power to rise to the top of Giants, then there must be some incredibly powerful Giants out there - Kaido? If we assume Kaido's crew is filled with a substantial amount of Giants, I can see how giving those Giants a Zoan-type Devil Fruit could be concerning and...scary...

If Kaido does have some association with Elbaf, then we may get to see some story of Saul's family, the ones who inherit the "D" get some coverage or at least more information on the "Will of D" revealed. It would seem appropriate to have some information regarding the "Will of D" revealed when a Yonko is in focus - just like how it was with Whitebeard.

It also seem strangely coincidental that when Kaido's names pops up, some development concerning Giants closely follows (Thriller Bark - Oars the 'Continent Puller', Punk Hazard - Giant experiments and the World Governments desire for Giant Soldiers, Dressrosa - Hajrudin and this "new generation" of Elbaf Giants).

Anyway, I'm sure many of us have wondered just how strong a Giant is, making Kaido, one of the Yonko a Giant would be an incredibly interesting development. Just the sheer size of a Giant would induce fear and terror in the common man, combine that with the raw strength Giants wield and the influence and "power" of a Yonko, then you have yourself one fearsome individual. Is this why Doflamingo is so afraid of Kaido? Because Kaido has such a natural strength on top of having enough power and influence to be one of the Yonko =/?

If Elbaf is related to Kaido, it would be one incredibly exciting arc and would potentially have the additional benefit of forcing Usopp into game mode and seeing him grasp a hold of his flickering courage and resolve (alongside his cowardice and fear of course =D). And if Jaguar D. Sual is related in some way, Robin could also have a major part to play (Chopper and Nami had their moment with the Giant kids on Punk Hazard; Franky, Usopp, Sanji and Luffy are having their moment now helping Soldier-san, the Dwarves, Viola, Rebecca, and Law).
Big Mom is also big sized, compared to some of her crew and to regular people as well. But Whitebeard also was huge in some respects, but they were no giants, size is interesting to discuss in One Piece, apart from Shanks and Blackbeard if Kaido is really like you say he is, Yonko are really beasts.

If he is a giant I wonder if Kaido can grow more than SanJuanWolf?
 

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I don't think kaido is a giant. We barely have any information regarding his size, we have never seen him. We have seen big mom so we know she is huge but kaido is still a mystery. Considering the smiles and the fact that he is called a creature I would think odds are he is some sort of zoan user. Maybe even a mystical zoan....
 

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Having a similar beard to Hajrudin doesn't make him a giant... What kind of logic is this ?
 
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