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Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

  • Big Mam

    Votes: 94 51.4%
  • Blackbeard

    Votes: 10 5.5%
  • Kaido

    Votes: 56 30.6%
  • Shanks

    Votes: 23 12.6%

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Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

I doubt law is so bastard,shanks is off limits to him as well. shanks is honest,proud and a good pirate,that's why law mustn't attack him. BB may be sensed as too dangerous,although I think he is weaker than the other 3 emperors. kaido and big mam...it would be a goot way to introduce them,especially kaido,imo.
Blackbeard, the weakest of the Yonko? Uh, are you talking about the guy who Shanks was worried about (and also gave him his scars), who defeated Ace, killed Whitebeard, and posses two of the most powerful DF abilities in the world and who knows how many more?
 
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Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

How is this even a debate :XD

The last arc ended with Luffy declaring war on Big Mam, she accepting his challenge, a bomb inadvertently being sent to her, and Jinbe acknowledging that he can not join the Strawhat's until his obligation to her has ended. Now Law, whom Luffy and Jinbe owe their lives to, says he has a plan to defeat a Yonkou. Why, after all that, would Luffy and Law suddenly fight Kaido, a character that has not yet been introduced. How would that make any sense? Oda is a better writer than that, thankfully. He would not have gone to so much trouble to establish Mam as an imminent adversary of Luffy's, only for him to at random fight another Yonkou.

Anyone who even suggests Shanks should be kicked out of the fandom. What motivation would Law even have to take down a benevolent presence like Shanks when the clearly more antagonistic Big Mam is around? Power levels don't mean anything, defeating Shanks would be unsound strategy. Never defeat a potential ally rather than a clear threat.

Kaido does not factor in because we know virtually nothing about him. He may not even be a bad guy.

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I doubt law is so bastard,shanks is off limits to him as well. shanks is honest,proud and a good pirate,that's why law mustn't attack him. BB may be sensed as too dangerous,although I think he is weaker than the other 3 emperors. kaido and big mam...it would be a goot way to introduce them,especially kaido,imo.
How exactly do you figure Blackbeard to be the weakest Yonkou? He is the only character with two devil fruit powers, both among the strongest known so far. Had Shanks not intervened, Blackbeard would have used his then newly acquired gura gura no mi power to sink Marineford. He was well on his way when Shank's arrived. Everything we know about him implies he is one of the strongest characters in the manga. Shanks, Sengoku, and Rayleigh may be the only established characters stronger than Blackbeard.
 

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Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

Has anyone come up with the theory of Big Mom possibly beating and taking Law's crew in a fight? If that's so, that explains why Law's crew hasn't been seen yet and why Law wants to go after a Yonkou, most likely Big Mom.
 

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Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

I think that Law is going to suggest, Shanks (and too people saying that shanks is too good of a guy, for Law to want to take down, Law was said to be a cruel person, and he states he is a pirate, so he does whatever is in the best interests for him, so don't think he is above taking Shanks/Luffy down.)
 

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Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

Big Mom will be the Yonkou Law will suggest IMO . She was already presented by Oda and she seems to be Kidd's target as well . Maybe in the end we'll see an alliance of Luffy-Law-Kid like back in SA just like someone already suggested.

I don't see Shanks being Law's target at all . Law already knows that Luffy and Shanks are in good terms so there's no way he's gonna propose an alliance to take him down . Kaidou is still an unknown character but i have a feeling we'll meet him later on , not now . :^_^
 

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Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

Blackbeard, the weakest of the Yonko? Uh, are you talking about the guy who Shanks was worried about (and also gave him his scars), who defeated Ace, killed Whitebeard, and posses two of the most powerful DF abilities and the world and who knows how many more?
yes,I'm talking about that jerk.

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How exactly do you figure Blackbeard to be the weakest Yonkou? He is the only character with two devil fruit powers, both among the strongest known so far. Had Shanks not intervened, Blackbeard would have used his then newly acquired gura gura no mi power to sink Marineford. He was well on his way when Shank's arrived. Everything we know about him implies he is one of the strongest characters in the manga. Shanks, Sengoku, and Rayleigh may be the only established characters stronger than Blackbeard.
to be honest,BB wanted to sink marineford,which is far away from being about to sink it. WB and luffy wanted to save ace too,but they failed. BB would have been stopped by sengoku and garp(remember that sengoku alone was beating all BB's crew with that shockwaves).
and let me teach you an interesting trivial: as already pointed out,it can't be that shanks is much stronger than the other emperors,otherwise it would be Sankou rather than yonkou. the only ones who could keep up with WB were those 3,and according to the Gorosei,those 3 are the only pirates(and maybe marco too) who can defeat BB. rayleigh has been surpassed now,and sengoku may be weaker than Kong.
 

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Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

I think that Law is going to suggest, Shanks (and too people saying that shanks is too good of a guy, for Law to want to take down, Law was said to be a cruel person, and he states he is a pirate, so he does whatever is in the best interests for him, so don't think he is above taking Shanks/Luffy down.)
Do you actually read One Piece? I assume not, otherwise you would not have made that comment. Law's actions during the war clearly illustrate that he is a friend and ally of Luffy. Cruel characters do not put themselves in danger to save someone whom they are under no obligation to help. One Piece does not work that way. You are welcome to depict Law however you want when you write fan fiction. In the actual manga Oda has firmly established Law's character as a good guy, it is not a subject left open to interpretation. Here, here, here, and here. This are not the words and actions of a One Piece antagonist, never has been, never will be. So can everyone STFU about Law being cruel and evil. He's not, get over it. This arc is clearly setting the Heart Pirates up as the Strawhats first allied fleet.

yes,I'm talking about that jerk.

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to be honest,BB wanted to sink marineford,which is far away from being about to sink it. WB and luffy wanted to save ace too,but they failed. BB would have been stopped by sengoku and garp(remember that sengoku alone was beating all BB's crew with that shockwaves).
and let me teach you an interesting trivial: as already pointed out,it can't be that shanks is much stronger than the other emperors,otherwise it would be Sankou rather than yonkou. the only ones who could keep up with WB were those 3,and according to the Gorosei,those 3 are the only pirates(and maybe marco too) who can defeat BB. rayleigh has been surpassed now,and sengoku may be weaker than Kong.
In the future please check old chapters before posting, having to explain the story to you gets tiresome. And never talk down to me again, I know how the yonkou work. If you do it again it will piss me off.

Individual Yonkou can be stronger than the other. Before the war Whitebeard was called the strongest man alive and pirate closest to One Piece. Yet he was still only one of four Yonkou because individual power is only a part of what makes an Emperor. Emperor's are proclaimed based on individual power, the strength of their crew, allied crews, and allied islands. The key is what Law said last week, all other pirates must either become allies or continuously challenge a Yonkou. The Yonkou themselves are lucked in a stalemate, even if one could defeat the other in an individual fight, the resultant battle between crews would leave the winner to weakened to defend their title as Yonkou. The Balance of Power worked in the same manner, with the individual Yonkou checked by the power of the institutions of the Marine and Shichibukai. You are very, very wrong: there are differences between the individual power of each Yonkou. But individual power is only one factor, that is why the Yonkou balance each other out.

Individually, Shanks is clearly a monster. His Haki is strong enough to knock out all of the Whitebeard Pirates except for the Commanders. When he and Whitebeard crossed blades they split the sky. He easily blocked Akainu's lava with nothing more than a haki infused sword.

The Sengoku fight lasted a few panels, neither he nor Blackbead were shown to be winning, nor was there any hint of who would win. Make up whatever you would like, it was only shown briefly. By engaging him, Sengoku did stop Blackbeard from sinking the island. My point still remains valid: the motherfucker is strong enough to sink a fucking island. The capability to destroy a land mass must rate pretty high on the shounen power meter. Please do not insult my intelligence by saying something as stupid as Blackbeard is the weakest Yonkou. It's obviously not true.

What the fuck makes you think that Rayleigh has been "surpassed". Like Shanks, he stopped a Marine Admiral's logia ability with nothing but a haki infused sword. He stopped a column of marines by asking nicely. That column included Sentomaru and the Pacifista, according to Sentomaru himself. Maybe Rayleigh has declined from his days with Roger, he is still stronger than an admiral, and he alone is strong enough to oppose an entire squadron of marines along with Sentomaru and the Pacifista.

I forgot about Kong. Yes, he and the Gorosei are likely among the strongest characters. Talking about them is kind of worthless though, considering they have not actually done anything to talk about.
 

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Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

People seem to immediately dismiss Kaido simply because we don't know his background. The same can be said for Shanks and Blackbeard but that excuse isn't being used. We only know a bit of Big Mom's background from the Fishman arc, we don't exactly know everything about her. Actually, we know little about her crew and what she does.

Breaking it down -

1. Big Mam: Likely because Luffy recently accepted a war declaration.
2. Kaido: Possible since it seems too coincidental that Law would happen to have a thing against Big Mam, wouldn't make sense to have beef with Shanks, and Blackbeard seems out of reach in terms of power.
3. Shanks: Unlikely because Shanks is too much of a friendly guy who can justify pretty much all of his actions and Law is also a pretty nice guy.
4. Blackbeard: Unlikely because Blackbeard is foreshadowed as a) final villain and b) incredibly strong, though I wouldn't completely rule it out.
 

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Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

Big Mom - Clearly she is the most popular and obvious choice. Simply because she is foreshadowed to be the first Yonko to face the SHs. However Im not even slightly interested in her. She had one disappointing first introduction. But on the other hand, the first Yonko to face the SHs must be according to simple shounen logic, the weakest one. So deep down I want it to be her, since she is disappointing, hence I want her to be the weakest.

Kaido - Of all the emperors Im the most interesting in him. Because there are some events tied to hm, which needs to be more explained. Starting with Moria vs Kaido, Drake X reasons for targeting him and most importantly his reasons to intervene WB (prior to the Marineford battle). Consequently Im also interesting in his talk/skirmish with Shanks. After BM he is the best choice.

Shanks - Having Law choosing him might be interesting. Just to see Luffy's reaction. As for now, I don't think Law knows about their connection. Will he decline in anger or rather in cool? I believe the latter will be the case. Simply because Luffy always fights for the weak, Shanks isn't one of them. He doesn't need to protect someone of Shanks calibre. Then again he might get angry, because he is emotionally bonded to Shanks. Im interesting in how Luffy will react. But I don't think Law will chose him.

BB - Of all 4, I think he will be the unlikeliest choice. BB is forshadowed to be the last foe to face the SHs. As such I simply don't see Oda chosing him. However if Law proposes him, I see Luffy declining, just like he would in case of Shanks.
 

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Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

i think it may be Big Mom or Kaido
big mom - luffy already declare war against her.
Kaido - after time skip we see law alone so where is his crew maybe they dead and we know from Moria that kaido kill his crew so there is chance law's crew get same fate by same person.
i dont think luffy will ask help from anyone to defeat shanks because luffy made promise him that he will creat more stronger crew then his
 

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Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

Hidden Resulsts, very nasty :D

I personally wont believe that they would go afte Shanks, because that doesnt make any sense.

I voted for Big Mom because Ruffy already declared War on her.
 

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Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

Big Mom would probably be the most obvious answer.

Too obvious, if you ask me. Why would Oda make it a secret, if Trafalgar and Luffy were plotting to take her down, after Luffy has allready declared war on her?

Shanks? Total nonsense.

BB would come too early, I think he will be the last one whom Luffy will meet (at Raftel). But who knows... Trafalgar's plan might be far fetched.

So I'll go for Kaido. He seems to be evil, so I guess Luffy might take him down anyway sooner or later.
 

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Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

I voted Shanks just because I trust that Oda will want to surprise everyone with that kind of twist.
I really don't see how Luffy would want to defeat Shanks with an alliance (I could see him wanting to defeat Shanks with his own team, but not in an alliance).

Big Mom is too obvious, and since Oda wanted it to be mysterious, it can't be her.

No one cares about Kaido, so it can't be him. Luffy wouldn't have had that reaction about someone he doesn't even know, and it's totally not like him to go against someone that he never met before.

As for Blackbeard, I'd say it's possible, but I don't think Luffy would have had that kind of reaction, since he must be resentful about Blackbeard...
He wouldn't have had that big of a smile.
 

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Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

I agree Luffy might one day challenge Shanks to a friendly match. But to think he's gonna team up with Law and use a trick to defeat him, is ridiculous. So, I'm sure it's not Shanks.

It can't be Kaidou either because Luffy doesn't know him and cares only about opponents who stand in his way.

Those opponents are Big Mom and Blackbeard. If it's BigMom it makes sense plot-wise to make it a mystery, because it keeps people guessing. If it's BB, their plan will probably get delayed, because BB is one of the last opponents for Luffy, if not THE last one. There are people saying Luffy would get angry hearing BB's name, but he had some surprising reactions in the past, so it's hard to judge by his expression.

Personally, I vote for BB :p
 
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Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

Does anyone here thought of two yonkou? Law said that he wanted to create some confusion so how about make two yonkou fight each other then take out the weakened victor.
 

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Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

I agree Luffy might one day challenge Shanks to a friendly match. But to think he's gonna team up with Law and use a trick to defeat him, is ridiculous. So, I'm sure it's not Shanks.

It can't be Kaidou either because Luffy doesn't know him and cares only about opponents who stand in his way.

Those opponents are Big Mom and Blackbeard. If it's BigMom it makes sense plot-wise to make it a mystery, because it keeps people guessing. If it's BB, their plan will probably get delayed, because BB is one of the last opponents for Luffy, if not THE last one. There are people saying Luffy would get angry hearing BB's name, but he had some surprising reactions in the past, so it's hard to judge by his expression.

Personally, I vote for BB :p
The problem with BB is that he has long been established as Luffy's greatest rival, the character Luffy is judged against. By challenging Big Mom at Fishman Island, Oda opened up the possibility that this rivalry could play out between two Yonkou from the start, rather than forcing Luffy to "power up" to BB's level later in the series. If Luffy defeats Mom or Kaido the rest of the New World would be about Luffy and Blackbeard's rise as powers and emerging rivalry, with each fending off challengers, maneuvering to break the balance of power, and position themselves to become Pirate King.

In case anyone forgot, Oda established Blackbeard as a rival of Luffy even before he was identified. His name is first mentioned by Ace, but he was not identified during his first appearance here. From the first he and Luffy were competing, who could eat the most, how did Luffy have such a high bounty, etc.

Kaido obviously makes less sense because he holds little resonance with the characters and none for the audience. Shanks is obviously out of the question. Luffy's most precious keep sake and symbol as a Pirate was a gift from Shanks. Shanks was established in chapter 1 (and the first Romance Dawn pilot) as Luffy's surrogate father figure, the adult he most admired. The thought of him even challenging Shanks is completely ridiculous, adds nothing to the story, and rewrites Shanks (extremely important ) role in the manga.
 

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Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

Saying it's not Big Mom with "Oh, Oda still kept it as a mystery" as an excuse does not work. There are plenty of reasons for Oda to want to keep it a mystery. Maybe he didn't tell us because we'd think "if it was Big Mom, he'd have revealed it by now!" It can still just as likely be Big Mom, but Oda is keeping us in suspense.

I still think Shanks is the least likely considering what Luffy thinks about him. It could be possible Luffy's pretendin to team up with Law to protect Shanks, but his reaction wouldn't be that calm or happy. Could be, probably because he gets to meet Shanks again.

I just don't think Big Mom should be dismissed just because we weren't told who the target is.
 

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Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

Just out of curiosity, how would everyone react if Blackbeard was Law's target?
 

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Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

I really don't think its Shanks because Luffy made a promise to him saying he will be the strongest pirate in the world and how he will be the King of the pirates. Not to mention how he will defeat him. It WON'T be Big Ma because he wants to defeat her on his own.
 

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Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

Just a theory but maybe law wants to kidnap CC in order to make some candies and let mom be dipendent, if she wants more she has to show herself, also the fact that in this arc there are "sweet" and "giant " kid (big mom is really "big" but she isn't a giant, if she is, should have a giant crew, so the fact that she is enourmous is related with something else) makes me think that probably the Emperor will be Big Mom.
 
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