Discussion Yonkou Hunting

[danzouismadara]

Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

Kaido would be better since there is no way they take out big mam imo. Someone who can kill blackbeard who has two super strong devil fruit powers.

Anyways, I dont think as they are now they can fight any1 lol two supernovas vs a yonkou that probably has tons of pirates like whitebeard....

 

[BlackSword]

Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

But what would be the point of making Luffy state that he'd beat her ass in the DenDen Mushi ?
And then again, what would be the point of Luffy making FI his turf if Kidd's alliance would be the one to take down BM ?

Then all that build up about Luffy defying BM would be useless, and just a waste of panels

Wouldn't be a waste of panels! Luffy's declaration of 'war' stops Big Mom from immediately vaporizing FI. Kidd's Alliance takes out Big Mom... Kidd tries to Claim FI only to end up fighting Luffy for it.

Kaido would be better since there is no way they take out big mam imo. Someone who can kill blackbeard who has two super strong devil fruit powers.

Anyways, I dont think as they are now they can fight any1 lol two supernovas vs a yonkou that probably has tons of pirates like whitebeard....

I know your arguing on my side but I honestly don't know what your talking about/where you got this information.

 

[danzouismadara]

Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

Wouldn't be a waste of panels! Luffy's declaration of 'war' stops Big Mom from immediately vaporizing FI. Kidd's Alliance takes out Big Mom... Kidd tries to Claim FI only to end up fighting Luffy for it.




I know your arguing on my side but I honestly don't know what your talking about/where you got this information.

gorosei said that big mam is one of the few who can kill blackbeard( the dudes who has two insane powers at the same time!)

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meaning that she is strong as hell and i dont think luffy's and law's crew combined are enough for someone who is on par with whitebeard the man who destroyed like over half the marines and almost killed akainu andddd she probably has an alliance with many strong pirates like whitebeard

 

[BlackSword]

Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

gorosei said that big mam is one of the few who can kill blackbeard( the dudes who has two insane powers at the same time!)

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meaning that she is strong as hell and i dont think luffy's and law's crew combined are enough for someone who is on par with whitebeard the man who destroyed like over half the marines and almost killed akainu

Interesting... I honestly don't remember that part (goes to look) xD

Edit:
Found it! And that's definitely food for thought... Probably doesn't mean she is 'stronger' than the other Yonkou it probably just means she has a power that could work as a direct counter to Blackbeard.

 

[MiyamotoMusashi]

Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

That was just a figure of speech. They said that the only ones who could stop Blackbeard after the war were Marco + the remnants of WB crew and the other Yonkou. It was meant to show how strong Blackbeard now is since he is the first one to ever "eat" 2 DFs, not the showcase how strong the other Yonkou are (who at that point should still be stronger than BB since his usage of the fruits was not that good 2 years ago). Now 2 years after BB is probably really adapt at using both DFs + his crew keeps getting strong DFs.
Concerning BM, to me it seems like she is supposed to be the Crocodile of the NW, someone who is actually really strong but has not fought a serious fight for a long time. She just seems to use her power and influence to get as much food as she can and live a leisured life. I still agree though that Law + the SHs + Sun Pirates would still not be enough but there is still the "key" Law was talking about (presuming his target is BM). Also, like many of you mentioned, the Alliance of Kidd, Hawkins and Apoo targeting BM is not that unlikely, so we can look forward to a nice arc. In my opinion Zehahaha is right though, Luffy declaring war on BM at FI in order to make FI his turf would not make sense at all if Kidd was the one who to take BM down. The Alliance KHA would just help to fight the crew, we´ve seen at Marineford what kind of amazing people are under one of the Yonkou, so them fighting the crew would make sense.

 

[Zehahaha]

Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

gorosei said that big mam is one of the few who can kill blackbeard( the dudes who has two insane powers at the same time!)

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meaning that she is strong as hell and i dont think luffy's and law's crew combined are enough for someone who is on par with whitebeard the man who destroyed like over half the marines and almost killed akainu andddd she probably has an alliance with many strong pirates like whitebeard

What Gorosei said is that the only forces that can stop BB are the Yonko/Remanants of the WB pirates

Wouldn't be a waste of panels! Luffy's declaration of 'war' stops Big Mom from immediately vaporizing FI. Kidd's Alliance takes out Big Mom... Kidd tries to Claim FI only to end up fighting Luffy for it.

Ofc it is, if she wanted to annhilate FI, she'd have probably asked Pekoms and Tamago to do that, and since the SH's were there, it would've mean a direct clash with her

And also, if Kidd would the one to do that, it would render the whole bomb thing inside the Tamatebako useless

Also, Kaidou wasn't even introduced, didn't do NOTHING to Luffy, had no interaction with him...

 

[Junaid_Sennin]

Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

I haven't read through this entire thread, so forgive me if I'm just repeating what's already been said. I just came here to voice my opinion.

1. I don't believe Luffy would've agreed to join up with Law against Shanks.

2. I think it's too early in the story to be going up against Kurohige, and Luffy wouldn't have smiled at the time if they'd been talking about him. Also, Nami and Usopp wouldn't have behaved the way they did - they know about Luffy's trauma and how it pertains to/stems directly from Kurohige's actions, and they wouldn't have just been obsessing about how dumb it is to pick a fight with a Yonkou, they'd have been more tense and serious.

3. Luffy is the type to settle his own fights himself, without asking others for help or relying on others. That doesn't mean that he always tries to do everything himself - he knows better than that by now (I hope), and can rely on his nakama. So, if he'd already started a fight with someone, he wouldn't agree to team up with someone midway unless it was absolutely necessary. Therefore, I don't believe the target is Big Mam, since the fight hasn't even truly started yet, war has only been declared.

Thus, by means of deduction we arrive at our conclusion: Kaidou.

TL/DR: KAIDOU

 

[Jdapenao]

Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

Bleh I don't see the point of making Luffy/Law target Kaidou, considering BM is pissed at Luffy, and considering more that once Pekoms/Tamago will be back to meet BM and that she'd probably open the Tamatebako, the bomb will explode on her face (God I hope for that so badly), and she'd go on a rampage probably targeting even FI

And if Law/Luffy begin attacking Kaidou, having two Yonko's at your back would simply mean instant death for both of them

Do you remember the Vivre Card Lola gave to Nami, I dont know why but maybe it ciuld be related to Big Mom and this will make a new kind of unfolding of what we expect, from a certain enemy to a an ally, It could be an interesting twist of what we expect!!!

The other thing is that we know for certain that at least Kid is also on the bad side of Big Mom, with the alliance of the Super Nova going against Big Mom, well I don't see the point of all going together against her, but it can also happen, well, its mostly speculation on our side.

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But what would be the point of making Luffy state that he'd beat her ass in the DenDen Mushi ?
And then again, what would be the point of Luffy making FI his turf if Kidd's alliance would be the one to take down BM ?

Then all that build up about Luffy defying BM would be useless, and just a waste of panels

They are not useless, more than the direct threat, what was important was for Fishman Island to escape the repercussions of Bog Mom anger, so he did achieve that, It was on the spur of the moment and Luffy itself says that it was the only way to avoid that, I even saw that Big Mom was pleased to Luffy's words of challenge rather than angry. Also Big Mom seems not to be so interested on treasure as she is on food, so is not necessarily for her to open the bomb in the treasure, it would be quite funny if it stolen by one of the supernovas in the alliance and end up in a great explosion in one of their hideouts.

 

[Zehahaha]

Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

Do you remember the Vivre Card Lola gave to Nami, I dont know why but maybe it ciuld be related to Big Mom and this will make a new kind of unfolding of what we expect, from a certain enemy to a an ally, It could be an interesting twist of what we expect!!!

The other thing is that we know for certain that at least Kid is also on the bad side of Big Mom, with the alliance of the Super Nova going against Big Mom, well I don't see the point of all going together against her, but it can also happen, well, its mostly speculation on our side.

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They are not useless, more than the direct threat, what was important was for Fishman Island to escape the repercussions of Bog Mom anger, so he did achieve that, It was on the spur of the moment and Luffy itself says that it was the only way to avoid that, I even saw that Big Mom was pleased to Luffy's words of challenge rather than angry. Also Big Mom seems not to be so interested on treasure as she is on food, so is not necessarily for her to open the bomb in the treasure, it would be quite funny if it stolen by one of the supernovas in the alliance and end up in a great explosion in one of their hideouts.

Yes they are useless if Kidd would take BM instead, that's like let's say Pell and Chaka beating Crocodile in Alabasta, instead of Luffy after he discovered his identity as being the boss of BW and the guy who needs to be taken care of in order to stop the rebellion

In the same fashion of that little clash between Luffy and Lucci back at Water 7 if let's say it was Zoro who beat Lucci instead

You disregard the OBVIOUS build up, so that you can justify Luffy/Law going after Kaidou, while the guy has yet to be introduced to begin with, it's nonsensical

Yes Luffy eating all the candy didn't seem to piss off BM that much, hence the bomb thing in the Tamatebako, that would definitely push her to hunt Luffy

 

[Jdapenao]

Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

Yes they are useless if Kidd would take BM instead, that's like let's say Pell and Chaka beating Crocodile in Alabasta, instead of Luffy after he discovered his identity as being the boss of BW and the guy who needs to be taken care of in order to stop the rebellion

In the same fashion of that little clash between Luffy and Lucci back at Water 7 if let's say it was Zoro who beat Lucci instead

You disregard the OBVIOUS build up, so that you can justify Luffy/Law going after Kaidou, while the guy has yet to be introduced to begin with, it's nonsensical

Yes Luffy eating all the candy didn't seem to piss off BM that much, hence the bomb thing in the Tamatebako, that would definitely push her to hunt Luffy

Seeing that BM didn't go and destroyed FI its not really as useless as you want to portrait it, specially because they in fact destroyed a country because it couldn't comply with the promised candies. The bomb in the Tamatebako is another mater, from the few information we have from BM she is after food rather than treasure, I don't see her interested in opening treasure brought to her.

Kaido and Big Mom are the the options we have because Luffy will not fight against Shanks and his reaction against Blackbeard would be different. On regards to the statement of Luffy kicking BM ass, it lead to think that the fighting would be against her, but Luffy is not the one proposing which Yonkou to attack, is Law who said that he has a plan to take down "one" of the Yonkou's, so the plan is specifically to attack one of them and that doesn't require to be Big Mom or be related to the past incident in FI, even if Luffy said what he said.

 

[Zehahaha]

Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

Seeing that BM didn't go and destroyed FI its not really as useless as you want to portrait it, specially because they in fact destroyed a country because it couldn't comply with the promised candies. The bomb in the Tamatebako is another mater, from the few information we have from BM she is after food rather than treasure, I don't see her interested in opening treasure brought to her.

Kaido and Big Mom are the the options we have because Luffy will not fight against Shanks and his reaction against Blackbeard would be different. On regards to the statement of Luffy kicking BM ass, it lead to think that the fighting would be against her, but Luffy is not the one proposing which Yonkou to attack, is Law who said that he has a plan to take down "one" of the Yonkou's, so the plan is specifically to attack one of them and that doesn't require to be Big Mom or be related to the past incident in FI, even if Luffy said what he said.

She didn't destroy it because she said she'd target Luffy ffs
She said it herself

And I said even if she decided to destroy FI back then, Luffy would've fought against Pekoms/Tamago and it would've mean war with her either way
Why the bomb is another matter ? It is the freakin matter, why did Oda made such a thing only for BM not to open it and some minion doing it at her place ? What would be the purpose ?

Yeah she loves food more than treasure, what makes you think when Tamago and Pekoms will show up in front of her with the treasures, she won't open the Tamatebako ?

Fact is, Oda put an extreme emphasis on that whole bomb thing, it would be plain retarded if it doesn't explode on her face
Another thing is, the " voyage " between BM HQ and FI is a matter of days, there's a huge possibility that right after PH, a clash with BM will ensue or at least she may begin hunting Luffy and ordering her minions or even going herself to beat him

 

[Jdapenao]

Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

She didn't destroy it because she said she'd target Luffy ffs
She said it herself

And I said even if she decided to destroy FI back then, Luffy would've fought against Pekoms/Tamago and it would've mean war with her either way
Why the bomb is another matter ? It is the freakin matter, why did Oda made such a thing only for BM not to open it and some minion doing it at her place ? What would be the purpose ?

Yeah she loves food more than treasure, what makes you think when Tamago and Pekoms will show up in front of her with the treasures, she won't open the Tamatebako ?

Fact is, Oda put an extreme emphasis on that whole bomb thing, it would be plain retarded if it doesn't explode on her face
Another thing is, the " voyage " between BM HQ and FI is a matter of days, there's a huge possibility that right after PH, a clash with BM will ensue or at least she may begin hunting Luffy and ordering her minions or even going herself to beat him

But all that you said does not mean that Big Mom HAS to be Law's target, you disregard all that I said about Law being the one that proposed the targeted Yonkou, knowing that Law is completely oblivious to what happened in Fishman Island.

The bomb could explode in BM face or could also hit on of his subordinate and could have the same effect, that could prompt her to go against the SH and eliminate Luffy, but that also does not mean that Laws targeted Yonkou is BM, it could be but it also could be Kaido.

The only thing I'm saying against your point is that you are making a close relation on regards to fishman island events with the proposal of Law when they are different, I agree that by chance it could BM but it also could be Kaido, also remember that Luffy doesn't know about the bomb so he isn't aware of the problems he could have with BM if it goes off.

It would be very funny if it happened as the King Neptune and his minister expected and the bomb does not explode LOL :P

 

[danzouismadara]

Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

It's Kaido NOT big mam ( I believe big mam won't fight luffy, because I predict that her daughter is Lola from thriller bark arc) so, she will let luffy have Fisherman island.

Kaido has a connection to dr.vegapunk who is connected to CC and joker.v

 

[MiyamotoMusashi]

Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

But all that you said does not mean that Big Mom HAS to be Law's target, you disregard all that I said about Law being the one that proposed the targeted Yonkou, knowing that Law is completely oblivious to what happened in Fishman Island.

The bomb could explode in BM face or could also hit on of his subordinate and could have the same effect, that could prompt her to go against the SH and eliminate Luffy, but that also does not mean that Laws targeted Yonkou is BM, it could be but it also could be Kaido.

The only thing I'm saying against your point is that you are making a close relation on regards to fishman island events with the proposal of Law when they are different, I agree that by chance it could BM but it also could be Kaido, also remember that Luffy doesn't know about the bomb so he isn't aware of the problems he could have with BM if it goes off.

It would be very funny if it happened as the King Neptune and his minister expected and the bomb does not explode LOL :P

You are right to the point that the one Law targets does not have to be BM but can also be Kaidou, at least judging from the reactions of Luffy and his relation with the other two of the Yonkou (Shanks and BB). I have one problem with that though, namely that Luffy probably does not know the name Kaidou and thus would not be that happy if he had heard his name.

 

[abc1233]

Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

It's Kaido NOT big mam ( I believe big mam won't fight luffy, because I predict that her daughter is Lola from thriller bark arc) so, she will let luffy have Fisherman island.

Kaido has a connection to dr.vegapunk who is connected to CC and joker.v

Doesn't explain Luffy's reaction though when Law told him who he was after. Luffy would have almost certainly been confused had it been Kaidou, he doesn't exactly keep up with who is in power unless if he has had a direct exchange with them. I thought Lola was her daughter before seeing BM too, but now she just seems way too different to be Lola's mum, it's possible that if she is being drugged by CC's candies then that could be changing her too but otherwise I just don't see it. Then again Luffy has made friends with people who were shown in a bad light initially in the past so who knows.

 

[Mr. Arashi]

Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

Did i said will love if it's Shanks the chosen by Law?

 

[suraj5898]

Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

i dont think its shanks because luffy promise shanks that he will get/create stronger team then shank so when luffy go fight with shanks he will go with zoro & others and will not ask/get someone else help

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

I believe the Yonkou that Law wanted to target was either Kaidou or Big Mom. The thing is that Big Mom was too obvious of a choice, especially since most of us expected it to be her at that point as she became Luffy's opponent, when he proclaimed Fishman Island his territory and showed disrespect to her in front of her crew and also if the bomb inside Tamatebako explodes, then there will be another reason for her to fight Luffy, but I doubt Oda will go this way. Of course he can, but mostly he tries to surprise us and give something different from what readers expect from him, so my bet is on Kaidou for now.
Anyways, I doubt it would end after just one or two battles, since Kaidou or any other Yonkou should be a beast himself, not even talking about their respective crews and allied pirates.
As he is now Luffy can't take on Yonkou. He will need to take down Doflamingo and his crew first to grow up powerwise and experiense wise.

 

[Cyrs]

Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

Big Mom is the most obvious choice, but who knows. I'd say in order of likelihood:

1. Big Mom
2. Black Beard
3. Kaidou
4. Shanks

I don't see Luffy fighting Shanks. And unless Law said something to Luffy to convince him that Kaidou's a really bad guy, I don't think Luffy would be at all interested in randomly picking a fight with Kaidou - that just doesn't fit Luffy's character at all.

The only two people I see Luffy agreeing to fight are Big Mom and Blackbeard. I don't think Law would be too keen on starting a fight with the infamous Blackbeard, and it seems a little soon for Luffy to face off against Blackbeard anyway. And since Luffy already wants to take out Big Mom, he would agree to fight her right away.

But One Piece is notoriously unpredictable, so who knows?

(I think the most likely "surprise" would be them targeting Blackbeard. Not full-on, but just messing up his plans or something.)

 

[Smerten]

Re: Which Yonkou does Law want to take down?

Everything seemed to point towards Luffy fighting big mam, and suddenly Law appears to propose an alliance to take down a yonko, which Luffy gladly accepts. It's almost a given to be big mam. I think Kid, Scratchmen and Hawkins will team up to take down the one and only Kaido at around the same time. Shanks will be defeated eventually by Blackbeard, and that's how I guess the New World will be divided towards the end.