Discussion Your Own Hatsu!

[Mahado]

So I have been thinking about the ability to cover the place in darkness in order to strengthen my illusion ability and couse confusion/distraction to targets, but I can't seem to figure out a way to make it happen.

Dark is basically the absence of light, so I have been thinking of a way to restrict light from passing into the area that is affected. Emission is close to manipulation, so if emission is needed it should be possible to use it to some extend. But even with Emission I cannot think of a way to actually use it.
The only way I think that this would happen is by using En to have the light inside the En radius would have lower amplitude (and thus loses brightness, which couses darkness). However maintaining En is hard and won't be flexible to use. If there is a way to have this effect without using En or to make it flexible and usable for long periods of time without tiring the user, I would love to hear it.

I thought about having it as a variation of the illusion ability itself to make people "perceive" the place as it was dark, without the restrictions that it has. Conditions would be that when the ability is activated, everyone in certain range is affected including the user. That way, it could be used even if the targets do not know about the presence of the user. This would kinda give the feel I want the user to have. It would create confusion and would give some sort of characteristic to the user to "Bring darkness simply by being there (only with presence)".
However, this will not help to fulfill the condition for the main ability to make it more effective, and I also feel that it is somewhat fake that I had to resort to making it an illusion.

Is there no way to create the ability that I am trying to convey here, or is it only possible by stepping into specialization?
Also what do you think about the variation of illusion here, is it better than complicating it with having "real" darkness?

 

[kkck]

Well, a way to actually create a dark place would be conjuration... Know is able to conjure his space ability so perhaps you can just conjure a room which does not allow light in.

A lot of people incorporate en into their techniques but IMO that is not a good idea and at large implausible. En is a technique which requires a lot of power and time to develop. The main issue is that when someone is actually starting to develop his nen it is very unlikely this person will be able to even use en. Gon and killua are implausibly talented and even then en is not quite a technique they have mastered and out of the two only killua has used it. Even if en can be used at early stages of the development of hatsu (which again is unlikely) it is very likely the range will be very short which means the en as a whole could end up unusable for just about anything. Just a short ranged en could take years to develop to be honest...

Another issue with en is the sheer amount of power it consumes. En is basically ren or ken but extended as much as possible. A hunter as a limit as to how much nen he can handle at a time and to boot extending ren or ken over a long distance would leave him exposed to attacks. Granted he would be able to feel anyone within the en however his nen being dispoersed over a large area has the direct implication of his ren or ken being unusable until all of the nen is retrieved. Retrieving said nen fast is something that would require a decent bit of skill to boot.

The situation is even worst when a technique involves using en in the middle of battle. You are basically dropping 100% of your defense.

As for the darkness.... Perhaps you can take knov's approach and conjure a room which does not let light in. You conjure a room which does not allow light in. You add some pledges and conditions to summon the room and then when inside your manipulation illusion kicks in. Conjuring the room could be a tad difficult however since the darkness is just a natural effect of being in a room with no lights and the core of the ability is manipulation for the illusion you should have something interesting. Perhaps conjuring the room to use a manipulation ability can in itself get you a boost for the illusions.

 

[Mahado]

I totally agree on the En part. I only mentioned it in here to indicate why I do not want it to be used and what are the drawbacks of using it.
As for the materialization approach, that really seams like a plausible idea. As you said it might be a bit difficult since the user is mainly manipulator. I am not sure to what extend it is possible to materialize such room.

Perhaps conjuring the room to use a manipulation ability can in itself get you a boost for the illusions.

Just to correctly understand your solution though, would you mind more elaboration on this part:
So what you are suggesting is that I should remove the condition that illusions get a boost by being used in the dark all togehter. Instead, I should just make it such that being inside the room would boost the illusions by itself, is that right?

 

[emerZone]

your a manipulation right ? i think its better for you to make vows or restrictions so that the light around you with a certain distance bends. its like having your own dome that do not let light enter or bends light with the restricted distance

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hey Mahado how did you change the link of your ability into a word ????? can u tell me how ?

 

[kkck]

I totally agree on the En part. I only mentioned it in here to indicate why I do not want it to be used and what are the drawbacks of using it.
As for the materialization approach, that really seams like a plausible idea. As you said it might be a bit difficult since the user is mainly manipulator. I am not sure to what extend it is possible to materialize such room.


Just to correctly understand your solution though, would you mind more elaboration on this part:
So what you are suggesting is that I should remove the condition that illusions get a boost by being used in the dark all togehter. Instead, I should just make it such that being inside the room would boost the illusions by itself, is that right?

My approach was more along the lines of this:
-Your hatsu type is manipulation
-Your ability's main thing is manipulation given that the illusions are caused by manipulating your enemy
- To use your ability you would need to be inside a conjured room.
-The room as it is made by you could be dark if you choose to not have a source of light within it.


My idea is that the illusion could be stronger if you limit its use to a difficult to conjure room. Difficult because a room is a rather large thing to conjure and as a manipulator your conjuration would be at 60% at best. Under those conditions using your illusion, which is 100% manipulation, you would theoretically get a boost to it as being limited to using it within the space would work as a determination/pledge deal. Its like when gon does his battlecry and charges rock, both things work as a determinatio/pledge deal and he gets the extra power knuckle described all those chapters back.

The room in itself should be plausible to materialize although perhaps the hatsu itself would stay in developing stages for a relatively long time. I guess it would also depend on what sort of room exactly you want to conjure. If it is a separate space like know's or that cheetah chimera ant then odds are it would take a relatively long time to develop. I guess the room itself does not have to be that large or that complex, if your approach is going to be using illusions then a simple moderately large cubed room should do the trick for your purposes.

As for the darkness, I guess it depends on the pledge/conditions/rules involved... The pledge thing is supposed to work by giving something away and get a return on it based on determination (kinda like gon gets a boost from the time it takes him to charge rock and the battlecry he uses). So whether the darkness works depends on how exactly it shows your determination. I am not entirely sure of what sort of angle you want to take with this.

 

[Mahado]

That is actually the most logical idea for my ability. As a manipulator, I should be able to manipulate light... genius!
I should think more about that and try to come up with the conditions for it. The materialized room is a wonderful idea, but being only able to use materialization up to 60%, I think it is more logical to go with this one.

Obviously, I am not thinking about freely bending the light, I only want to make it dimmer (decrease its brightness). I am not sure if there are any other conditions to that though. The ability isn't complicated/overpowered to need anything else. What do you guys think?

For linking the post, I just went back to the post I made, and clicked on the number of the post on the top right corner. I copied the URL and just added it as link to whatever word I want to use for the link. For example, your post that you just made is #345.

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I see your point kkck.
I am not sure if I want to limit my ability to be only used inside a conjured room though. Do you think it is too hax to be used freely? I had the impression that it wasn't so bad to be able to use it to some extend, as in only visual and auditory illusions, and have other senses be affected with some other condition like in the room or in darkness.

Having to materialize (I prefer using materialize over conjure) a room in order to be effective in combat seems to be too restrictive. Since I have manipulation, my reinforcement is pretty weak, and I would be almost useless in hand to hand combat.
If we are going with that however, I think that the room as you said won't be complex to be able to develop it relatively fast. As I said, I am not sure how flexible it would be to have conditions to materialization, but I would have it be easy to set up, since without it, I would be powerless. If this was the condition to use illusions however, would you say that the room would be the only condition there is (as in, I would remove all the other conditions for it)?

You keep mentioning Leorio's ability, but I am really sorry I can't relate to it. I have only read up to the ant arc (only tell gon gain that form too). I stopped once they announced the new anime, and decided to start watching it and stopped reading manga. Because of that, your last paragraph is not really clear to me. What kind of pledge would I need to "show my determination"?

PS. I just realized that you are the same Captain-Commander Yamamato that started the thread . Nice new Avatar!

 

[emerZone]

now im the one who needs help i want to strengthen my ability Staff of Wisdom .. i mean 25 words of incantation is hella hard to memorize .. so any idea on how to memorize everything ? and i want to power it up but i have no idea on how to ))

thnks for the help im going to recieve

 

[Mahado]

Since you are a materializer, you can materialize more items to help you with that. For example, you can materialize a spell book which has the spells written on it so you can read from it. Or have a condition saying that if you are holding the staff in one hand and the book opened on the other one, you can read shortened version of the incantation for faster casting. Since you are holding items in both hands, your will be more vulnerable to attacks.

Other than the 25 word incantation, what kind of limitations do have on your spells? Or what kind of spells can you actually cast?

 

[kkck]

That is actually the most logical idea for my ability. As a manipulator, I should be able to manipulate light... genius!
I should think more about that and try to come up with the conditions for it. The materialized room is a wonderful idea, but being only able to use materialization up to 60%, I think it is more logical to go with this one.

Obviously, I am not thinking about freely bending the light, I only want to make it dimmer (decrease its brightness). I am not sure if there are any other conditions to that though. The ability isn't complicated/overpowered to need anything else. What do you guys think?

For linking the post, I just went back to the post I made, and clicked on the number of the post on the top right corner. I copied the URL and just added it as link to whatever word I want to use for the link. For example, your post that you just made is #345.

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I see your point kkck.
I am not sure if I want to limit my ability to be only used inside a conjured room though. Do you think it is too hax to be used freely? I had the impression that it wasn't so bad to be able to use it to some extend, as in only visual and auditory illusions, and have other senses be affected with some other condition like in the room or in darkness.

Having to materialize (I prefer using materialize over conjure) a room in order to be effective in combat seems to be too restrictive. Since I have manipulation, my reinforcement is pretty weak, and I would be almost useless in hand to hand combat.
If we are going with that however, I think that the room as you said won't be complex to be able to develop it relatively fast. As I said, I am not sure how flexible it would be to have conditions to materialization, but I would have it be easy to set up, since without it, I would be powerless. If this was the condition to use illusions however, would you say that the room would be the only condition there is (as in, I would remove all the other conditions for it)?

You keep mentioning Leorio's ability, but I am really sorry I can't relate to it. I have only read up to the ant arc (only tell gon gain that form too). I stopped once they announced the new anime, and decided to start watching it and stopped reading manga. Because of that, your last paragraph is not really clear to me. What kind of pledge would I need to "show my determination"?

PS. I just realized that you are the same Captain-Commander Yamamato that started the thread . Nice new Avatar!

Well, in that case you would be using 2 completely different abilities though. You have a hatsu for manipulating light and a hatsu for manipulating the enemy's senses to make the illusion. I guess the combination of the 2 could work.

Manipulation abilities never really work freely as far as we have seen, specially when it comes to manipulating other people. Even for simple illusions you would need to fulfill a set of conditions for the ability to work. When manipulation users have manipulated people they usually have to either put something on them (an antenna, needles or kiss them for example) to begin with or have them fulfill some sort of condition for the manipulation to take place. I guess an illusion is less extreme than controlling someone... I do get the impression you would need to fulfill some sort of condition to actually be able to use the illusion. The idea of manipulating light around you should work and perhaps limiting your illusion to a dark area would be ideal. You would need to figure out how your ability would work at night though.

Materialization and conjuration are the same thing. Maybe you meant transformation over conjuration? The issue here would be that transformation is rather far from manipulation. Conjuration is right next to specialization however transformation is at the opposite end from manipulation.

I don't think I have mentioned leorio's ability... Anyways, it shouldn't really be relevant here. Leorio's ability is most likely primarily emission and requires transformation and manipulation. Emission is obvious, transformation for the fist shape and manipulation for controlling the nen at a distance.

 

[Mahado]

That does sound logical. Hisoka was able to have 2 transmutation abilities and was able to use them at the same time. I am also not planning on making the light manipulation ability that powerful at all. The only thing about light that I would be able to control is how bright it is, and not be able to make it completely pitch black dark. I don't think it needs conditions really, but I am open for suggestions.

As for the fulfillment of conditions, do you think it needs something more than what it already has? I mentioned some restrictions before which are not that extreme to be honest, just because I wasn't sure if it was necessary to add more or not. I am talking about the eye-contact, the target being unsure, not being in physical contact with someone out of the illusion, and not being able to control more than one illusion at a time.
The eye contact is basically the only condition I have. The rest are more of restrictions for the ability. I will gladly think of something else if you think it needs more restrictions/conditions to be fulfilled.

What I meant was that I prefer using the word materialization over conjuration to describe this type of hatsu. I wasn't referring to transmutation/transformation on that post. Both are pretty far from manipulation, materialization is a bit better for a manipulator, but I still think that basing an ability on that hatsu would be pretty hard to develop and master.

I went back to read your posts again, I could have sworn that I saw you mentioning Leorio and Hisoka (not Gon and Killua) when you mentioned En. I also remember you talking about Leorio instead of Gon when explaining the battlecry... I must have been really tired when I read them, or is it possible that it was changed for April's fool?
I am not sure, but this is really weird...

 

[emerZone]

ok ok nice idea ! so here's my new ability and I edited my Staff of Wisdom skill

Staff of Wisdom

Type: Conjuration
Ability: This ability allows the user to conjure a hand held stave with a rainbow colored circle crystal on top. This will make the user control elements at will. And cast any incantations he wants.
Notes and Vows: To cast spells the user should at least say 25 words of what kind of power the user will be using and what effect or what will it do after the incantation. in short, the user will call out the kind of power and then call the instructions on how the power should act.
Notes: while casting, the user is vulnerable all of his/her aura is concentrated on the staff. And ONLY when casting the user becomes a SPECIALIZATION type. And while casting incantations there will be numbers that will appear on the crystal ball that counts how many words the user has already said. The more specific the incantation = a stronger spell and thus it needs to have more words to be used. The staff can be concealed using In to hiide the current number of words the user has already chanted.

Book of Spells

Type: Conjuration
Ability: This ability allows the user to materialize a Floating spellbook that records every incantations the user casts. The spellbook also gives the user a visual presentation of how a spell works. The spell book also has a rainbow colored crystal ball on its Front cover.
Notes and Vows: The book can only contain up to 100 incantations. when it reaches its capacity and another spell is chanted, the user will have to choose 1 chant to be replaced. The book cannot be destroyed and also cannot be used for offense and defense. Attacks will just pass through it. The crystal ball iin the book shows the number of spells it contains. The book can als be Concealed using In to hide the number of spells the user can use.

COMENTS ANYONE ??

 

[Mahado]

That is one amazing and versatile ability, but the number of things it is capable of is kinda what concerns me about it.

I think that all the conditions that you made for the materialized items are reasonable. However, for the spells themselves, is there any kind of limitations to them? I am guessing you wouldn't be able to cast an incantation that would call upon the powers of nature and earth to bring someone back to life. When can you say that you have reached the limitation of this ability? What kind of things can you do and what kind of things can't you do?

 

[emerZone]

well that kuestion made me think. Maybe controlling specific elements might do ..

here are the elements:
FIRE - wATER - wIND - LIGHT - DARKNESS - STEEL - ELECTRICITY - SPACE - GROUND - SOUND

and i CAN revive someone. but of course the incantation will be ridiculously long and hard .. combination of elements must be exact.

 

[thatguy3331]

Alright everyone, help me out! How do you see me? what would you catagorize me as?

 

[dark blue servant]

interesting thread ithink i will post my ability too

 

[Mahado]

Alright everyone, help me out! How do you see me? what would you catagorize me as?

There are two ways to know your category:
You could use a quiz to figure out what your type is. There are many quizes out there and they usually give the same results, but I like this one the most. I think it is more accurate.

Also, you could use Hisoka's Analysis to determine what your category is based on your personality, which is basically what the quizzes are using.

I think many people here just came up with an ability and chose the best type suited for it. You could do that too if you want (but where is the fun in that? ).

Can't wait to read your abilities you two :3

 

[emerZone]

I took the test and i was an emmision 0.0 that was shocking haha! i really thought i am a conjurer so my ability Staff of Wisdom is a fail .. i need to think a new ability then .. HUHU

 

[Uriel]

I took the test and i was an emmision 0.0 that was shocking haha! i really thought i am a conjurer so my ability Staff of Wisdom is a fail .. i need to think a new ability then .. HUHU

Why? I think it's more effective as Emission since casting spells requires to send your nen away as blasts.

kkck: About the Emission not being related to teleport (Two pages ago, I know, I'm late) You use nen to move to one place to another. As aura.

 

[zzigg]

I took the test and i was an emmision 0.0 that was shocking haha! i really thought i am a conjurer so my ability Staff of Wisdom is a fail .. i need to think a new ability then .. HUHU

same here...emission type users are fairly strong.... you need just to use it's power with wisdom

 

[KingOfNight]

same here...emission type users are fairly strong.... you need just to use it's power with wisdom

Wait...

Use the staff of wisdom with wisdom ?