Battle Zoldycks vs Genei Ryodan

[Riyuki]

Bono and Machi vs Killua? really lol? Killua has gotten stronger since Yorknew, but he still isnt a match for even one ryodan IMO..... maybe while in Kanmaru, but when hes out of juice = hes fucked

 

[Pokkle]

Like this the fight will go faster and they can fight against Silva

And I didn't saw that we include the deaths and ancients members so:
Chrollo + Hisoka vs Zeno, it will be a hard fight but they win
Feitan + Phinks + Uvo vs Silva, Silva is strong but he can't fight against this 3 together, they will win. They can go fight against Maha after this fight.

Sharlnalk+ Nobunaga vs Illumi, Sharnalk autopilot make him the perfect match against Illumi and Nobunaga En could block the needles. It will be a hard fight but I think that they will win then they can go help Chrollo/Hisoka.

Bono + Machi vs Killua when they win, they can go help Feitan/Phinks/Uvo.
Korutopi vs Kikyo when he win, he can go help against Maha.

Franklin + Shizuku + Pakunoda(+Omokage) vs Maha, they will lost but they can retain him.
I think that the Phantom Troupe win.

I didn't count Alluka (with her Zoldyck win) and Kalluto because he's in the Phantom Troupe and a Zoldyck.

 

[felixng2011]

Considering Zeno's declaration about him winning 8/10 times I really doubt the Ryodan can win.
No one seems to mention Maha, and it was one who survived Netero.

He said he would win 8/10 if Chrollo kept dicking around and trying to steal his hatsu. He explicitly stated that it would be a different story if he was serious.

Anyway the Ryodan have more elite fighters. Even assuming Zeno and Chrollo are even they win and quite handily since dead Spiders are also around so that means Uvo is alive. Also Pakunoda. Not a combat type but she still is a proficient fighter.

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Like this the fight will go faster and they can fight against Silva

And I didn't saw that we include the deaths and ancients members so:
Chrollo + Hisoka vs Zeno, it will be a hard fight but they win
Feitan + Phinks + Uvo vs Silva, Silva is strong but he can't fight against this 3 together, they will win. They can go fight against Maha after this fight.

Sharlnalk+ Nobunaga vs Illumi, Sharnalk autopilot make him the perfect match against Illumi and Nobunaga En could block the needles. It will be a hard fight but I think that they will win then they can go help Chrollo/Hisoka.

Bono + Machi vs Killua when they win, they can go help Feitan/Phinks/Uvo.
Korutopi vs Kikyo when he win, he can go help against Maha.

Franklin + Shizuku + Pakunoda(+Omokage) vs Maha, they will lost but they can retain him.
I think that the Phantom Troupe win.

I didn't count Alluka (with her Zoldyck win) and Kalluto because he's in the Phantom Troupe and a Zoldyck.

Wow this is massive overkill in favor of the Zoldycks. Chrollo was holding his own against both Silva and Zeno. He would have loss but thats impressive. Chrollo and Hisoka would beat Zeno with some injuries.

Silva literally would get stomped. He has shown nothing to suggest he is significantly stronger than the likes of Feitan and Uvo. Three of those guys at once and he is boned.

We know nothing about Maha won't talk about him.

 

[Uriel]

In that case Alluka alone can kill each. :/

And He said the situation would be different, not in his favor. Not any Zoldyck take a job that they know they can't win. I'm confindent that Zoldycks have the upperhand here.

And Milluki is smart, a proficient bomber. I'm sure his ability is nothing to joke about.

 

[Riyuki]

Feitan is so underestimated in this thread its ridiculous lol..

 

[felixng2011]

In that case Alluka alone can kill each. :/

And He said the situation would be different, not in his favor. Not any Zoldyck take a job that they know they can't win. I'm confindent that Zoldycks have the upperhand here.

And Milluki is smart, a proficient bomber. I'm sure his ability is nothing to joke about.

Well of course they could win. It was a 2v1 fight in which Zeno had to risk his life in order to even kill Chrollo.

At worse they were virtually equal and Milluki is useless. He hasn't shown any fighting ability. His mosquito bombs are worthless since the explosion is only as big as a firecracker.

Anyway I take:

Chrollo
Hisoka
Feitan
Omokage
Uvo
Pakunoda
Machi
Phinks
Nobunaga
Shalnark
Franklin
Shizuki
Bonelov

over what the Zoldycks have any day.
They can't deal with the quantity.

The Zoldycks have five very good fighters tops. Illumi, Silva, Zeno, Maha, Killua and a bunch of distractions.

The Ryodan have Uvo, Chrollo, Hisoka, Feitan, Phinks and a bunch of other guys who are also probably really really strong.

 

[Kanmuru]

We need some 5vs5 or 6vs6 scenario, the number advantage on the spiders is unfair..
Maha, Zeno, Silva, Illumi, Killua, Kalluto.
Take your 6 spiders :d

 

[Uriel]

You're putting two dead persons and one non-spider in your list. If you talk about number, then just let's add every member dead of the Zoldyck's family :/

And well, the 2vs1 was just to prove that they take their jobs seriously. 2 Zoldycks against the entire Ryodan was the analysis that Zoldycks made in order to stop them. Go figure.

 

[felixng2011]

You're putting two dead persons and one non-spider in your list. If you talk about number, then just let's add every member dead of the Zoldyck's family :/

And well, the 2vs1 was just to prove that they take their jobs seriously. 2 Zoldycks against the entire Ryodan was the analysis that Zoldycks made in order to stop them. Go figure.

Zoldycks vs Genei Ryodan

all out battle of teamwork. includes every member, even dead ones. who would win? and who would die?

Did you even read the first post like at all? Dead members count. Bringing up dead Zoldyck members is pointless because we know nothing about them.

Not sure about former members since he didn't specify but even if Hisoka is removed it doesn't change anything. And no nowhere was it ever stated that it would take 2 Zoldycks to beat the entire Ryodan and the Zoldycks are not delusional enough or stupid enough to even attempt to do such at thing. Thats the last thing they would do. Take on a bunch of high level nen users when they don't know their abilities. Almost no chance to succeed with little reward.

Show the manga proof that this ever happened cause it never did. They were taking out Chrollo and no one else.

 

[mousiehamster]

I think the Spiders will have trouble cooperating with each other. Bono, Feitan, Uvo and arguably Franklin have AOE attacks which could cause some serious collateral damage. Feitan in particular who's ability "activates with anger" implying that it cannot be controlled. The Zoldycks being assassins in any case would obviously pick off the Spiders individually. Shouldn't be too hard considering the Spiders frequently split up.

edit: i could imagine Illumi mind controlling Kurapica, that evil bastard.

 

[ish3]

Zoldycks vs Genei Ryodan

Well I can't see the Zoldycks losing. No side would slaughter the other. But unlike the spiders they're a real family...they're assassins and don't partake in battles they can't win. More importantly I can't see them waiting around for ones on ones. Even so they'd be smart about it. I wouldn't be surprised if they all powered up and did some super team attack. More than anything that's the biggest advantage they have over the Ryodan. Teamwork.

 

[Uriel]

Zoldycks vs Genei Ryodan
all out battle of teamwork. includes every member, even dead ones. who would win? and who would die?
Did you even read the first post like at all? Dead members count. Bringing up dead Zoldyck members is pointless because we know nothing about them.
Not sure about former members since he didn't specify but even if Hisoka is removed it doesn't change anything. And no nowhere was it ever stated that it would take 2 Zoldycks to beat the entire Ryodan and the Zoldycks are not delusional enough or stupid enough to even attempt to do such at thing. Thats the last thing they would do. Take on a bunch of high level nen users when they don't know their abilities. Almost no chance to succeed with little reward.
Show the manga proof that this ever happened cause it never did. They were taking out Chrollo and no one else.

LOL, no. I haven't. The title is pretty straightforward.

You shouldn't count the dead because they're dead. And when you make a situation like this, you REALLY should consider of the specifics, because it changes EVERYTHING. The location, the story, the emotional bounds.

Togashi made pretty clear that Nen is not about raw power, but circumstances.

 

[Riyuki]

Lol.... Zeno said himself : "If we were to fight one on one, it would be a close battle. If you ever decided to actually want to kill me, though, that's a different story..". Chrollo fought the 2 strongest living Zoldycks AT THE SAME TIME. I don't understand why people are making it 2 spiders vs 1 Zoldyck scenario, that's crazy. I'm quite sure Feitan could hold his own against any of the Zoldycks 1 vs 1. Chrollo being there absolutely changes everything . You know he has defensive, offensive , support, AOE, etc attacks. He could alter the entire moral of the battle with his epic Skill Hunter ability.

I bet if any of the troupe members came close to death he may be able to keep their memory living on by stealing their ability before they died. This was a theory of mine all the way back in Yorknew... I never would've imagined at the time that we wouldn't see much of the troupe after then. The reason I said Illumi is probably a serious threat is because I don't think we've seen even close to all of his abilities yet. Having people like Maha count is stupid, and yes I know the TC wants dead and living to count, but that's not balanced at all.

Remember when silva and Chrollo talked? Silva killed one of the spiders, which probably prompted Chrollo to engage Silva. We don't know ANYTHING about that fallen spider, so how in the hell could a fair evaluation be made if some of the dead members haven't been described at all?

Why are people saying the Zoldycks would win because of teamwork? It's extremely ignorant to assume the spiders don't have teamwork. You guys do recall that Chrollo is a damn fortune teller now right? Lol. Before the fight even takes place he could get clues and hints for each member before battle. It would be hilarious if each fortune said "every leg will fall" or something lol, but even if that did happen, there are always additional clues regarding other events. It's simply another tool for them to take advantage of.

I don't find alluka a threat either. The troupe members would probably kill her before she even made the 2nd or 3rd request. In a real time battle counting her is silly as hell... unless Killua wishes for her to kill the phantom troupe lmao. He wouldn't want to use his sister like that , though. Killua wouldn't want her anywhere near that battlefield.

 

[felixng2011]

LOL, no. I haven't. The title is pretty straightforward.

You shouldn't count the dead because they're dead. And when you make a situation like this, you REALLY should consider of the specifics, because it changes EVERYTHING. The location, the story, the emotional bounds.

Togashi made pretty clear that Nen is not about raw power, but circumstances.

Don't just read the title.

The tc said in the very first post: "all out battle of teamwork. includes every member, even dead ones. who would win? and who would die?"

I already said this in my post and you completely ignored it. W/e. Come back when you explain to me how the Zoldycks are the stronger group. They might have a really really slim chance if they fight on their own home turf but otherwise I don't see it. Too many powerful nen users on the Ryodan side. Unless dead Zoldyck members are included but that would be pointless since we literally have no info on them.

Maha is pretty hyped though so maybe he can turn the tides if he is really as strong as Netero and obviously Alluka could technically win the fight by herself but I don't think it was the TC's intention to include her. Pretty sure Alluka wasn't evne introduced when this thread was made.

 

[Riyuki]

Alluka would be cut down before she even began making requests. The ryodan don't mess around.

 

[dzsovani]

interesting question.

my tip is on the spiders because they are using more kind of technics and not only assasin technics.

anyway: I wrote a song for my favourite women spider: Machi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW3VZhU--n4

and here is another song for a madam: Pakunoda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5TeF_9CDWI

and one for Chrollo Lucilfer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aUspXvL7aE

and of course a rapp for Phinks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD1eZxUtfwE

Just enjoy the music that I created

 

[howdydodah]

I just wanna add this.
Silva and Zeno really thought they were enough to kill the Ryodans, they wouldn't take the job if they weren't. That's why they opted to go after the one in the building first, then take the others 1 by 1. Information though is crucial, I think Chrollo knew there were Zaoldyecks after them so he opted to hire illumi on taking out the contracters therefore evading a possible deathbattle. On that note, the same can be said for the Zaoldyecks, they had info on spiders and illumis contract.

So the key here is why even hire Illumi in the first place!? If they were really tough they could've taken them head on, don't you think? that can only mean Chrollo either thought it was a waste of time and unnecessary or that having Zaoldyecks hounding them for the rest of their lives is a really big unavoidable casualistic no no.

 

[Demonspeed]

I just wanna add this.
Silva and Zeno really thought they were enough to kill the Ryodans, they wouldn't take the job if they weren't. That's why they opted to go after the one in the building first, then take the others 1 by 1. Information though is crucial, I think Chrollo knew there were Zaoldyecks after them so he opted to hire illumi on taking out the contracters therefore evading a possible deathbattle. On that note, the same can be said for the Zaoldyecks, they had info on spiders and illumis contract.

So the key here is why even hire Illumi in the first place!? If they were really tough they could've taken them head on, don't you think? that can only mean Chrollo either thought it was a waste of time and unnecessary or that having Zaoldyecks hounding them for the rest of their lives is a really big unavoidable casualistic no no.

No, they didn't even know the details, that's why Zeno said the reward was not enough, had Silva known he would be a target h would have talked about his abilities and strength to Zeno before their arrival. They knew about the contract but not about Chrollo's plans.

Chrollo hid his identity and stole Neon's ability while the other Spiders were killing everyone, he had no time for that.

 

[howdydodah]

No, they didn't even know the details, that's why Zeno said the reward was not enough, had Silva known he would be a target h would have talked about his abilities and strength to Zeno before their arrival. They knew about the contract but not about Chrollo's plans.

Chrollo hid his identity and stole Neon's ability while the other Spiders were killing everyone, he had no time for that.

They were hired to deal with the Ryodan's, I don't get where you're going. Again if they were tough they would've opted to take the Zaoldyecks head on after the mafia incident where it's convenient. Just 2 v 10 is seriously handicapped. Why opt to take the 10 dons in the first place? They already know that after the Bidding the mafia won't chase them. The only logical reason is that they might suffer too much losses facing Zeno and Silva. Also take note, that Zaoldyecks, I think, don't do vengeance kills, it's all strictly business.

 

[Phantron]

There are already something like 7 Spiders wanted dead or alive before Zeno and Silva are hired. It's impossible for them to not know what they're up against. Since Miluki offered to kill 10 guys for Silva for a loan of 15B zenny, this suggests that the Zoldycks likely charges a flat fee for their service (no way Miluki would have a chance at killing anyone that's remotely challenging for Silva), and if you just work out the average, it's probably ~1-2B per assassination but even if it's 10B that's still chump change in the world of HXH for people like Zeno and Silva, so yes they should be quite upset that they actually have a risk of dying while fighting for chump change. In fact, looking at how stupidly rich Hunters are in general in HXH, one gets the conclusion that the Zoldycks must be terribly bad businessman putting their lives on the line for an amount of money that's chump change for the average Hunter, despite being considerably more powerful than the average Hunter.