zoro perfomed better than luffy though. When luffy fought kaido for the first time, he couldn't hit through kaido's scale and was frowned upon by kaido.
When zoro fought kaido for the first time, kaido praised his attack and he even cut through kaido's scale.
Lol nah. Luffy overshadows him especially this arc if we talking on fights. Luffy vs Kaido is set and trying to force Zoro over him is headcannon you guys refuse to state about. Also you mean Kaido praising Enma while Luffy got main praise and got Pirate Legends behind him? Not same thing at all :.
Lol nah. Luffy overshadows him especially this arc if we talking on fights. Luffy vs Kaido is set and trying to force Zoro over him is headcannon you guys refuse to state about. Also you mean Kaido praising Enma while Luffy got main praise and got Pirate Legends behind him? Not same thing at all :.
no, read back chapter 1001. Zoro attacked kaido and he praised zoro for the impressive feat on him (as we know, kaido looks for strong opponent), nothing on enma. In fact, luffy was saved several times by zoro here.
A certain someone is actively downplaying Zoro "because Enma is the only reason he is so strong and other characters can wield Enma too".
But he never downplays Sanji for needing the Raid Suit to tank King's attack, like Sanji himself admitted. Anyone could wear the Raid Suit, even Zoro, there's no training nor skill involved in using it, unlike Enma.
Enma is only a sword that forcefully drains the user's haki. If mastered, it helps Zoro use his own haki better. Yes, Zoro needs it to cut Kaido, but everything he's doing is still thanks to being Zoro, thanks to his skill with the sword, thanks to his haki and thanks to his control over it.
Kaido recognizes the sword because its a good grade weapon that already injured in the past, and of course it reminds him of Oden, but comments like "That is not your average sword" don't mean the sword is the only praiseworthy part of Zoro's attack. Imagine if it was Garp who was about to deliver a punch on Kaido and Big Mom shouts "Kaido, dodge!! That's not your average fist!!". See? The sentence works exactly the same. She would be recognizing only "Garp's fist" as dangerous, but of course it's Garp himself that's behind the attack, just like Zoro is behind these slashes.
To be fair I’m not fond of zoro nor sanjis showing in wano but that’s mainly odas fault.
Wano was supposed to show us how strong the entire crew is if wano ends with zoro only being this strong with enma and sanji beating a commander with the raid suit I’ll be extremely disappointed.
sanji putting in work without the raid suit >>>
zoro putting in work without enma>>>>
honestly to continue the trope of new gen versus old gen I would be hype if enma was broken during this fight only for zoro to surpass his limits. That’s what I would love to see. The underdogs evolving mid battle. Same for sanji using the raid suit only for it to be worthless in the long run.
Kaido doesn’t seem to care about anyone but Luffy right now so I’m not impressed. They’re still playing with their food and it looks like all the supernova feats against the yonkou can mean nothing in a heartbeat the minute both big mom and kaido choose to end their game.
no, read back chapter 1001. Zoro attacked kaido and he praised zoro for the impressive feat on him (as we know, kaido looks for strong opponent), nothing on enma. In fact, luffy was saved several times by zoro here.
Nah he praising just the sword more only and those were more to support Luffy, not face to face fight with the Yonkos. It's obvious by how Yonkos talk that they are referring more on the sword and notice in panel that only Enma was glowing and praise while no mention on other swords Zoro has. It's clear that Enma is situational equipment to help Zoro in the fight.
A certain someone is actively downplaying Zoro "because Enma is the only reason he is so strong and other characters can wield Enma too".
But he never downplays Sanji for needing the Raid Suit to tank King's attack, like Sanji himself admitted. Anyone could wear the Raid Suit, even Zoro, there's no training nor skill involved in using it, unlike Enma.
Enma is only a sword that forcefully drains the user's haki. If mastered, it helps Zoro use his own haki better. Yes, Zoro needs it to cut Kaido, but everything he's doing is still thanks to being Zoro, thanks to his skill with the sword, thanks to his haki and thanks to his control over it.
Kaido recognizes the sword because its a good grade weapon that already injured in the past, and of course it reminds him of Oden, but comments like "That is not your average sword" don't mean the sword is the only praiseworthy part of Zoro's attack. Imagine if it was Garp who was about to deliver a punch on Kaido and Big Mom shouts "Kaido, dodge!! That's not your average fist!!". See? The sentence works exactly the same. She would be recognizing only "Garp's fist" as dangerous, but of course it's Garp himself that's behind the attack, just like Zoro is behind these slashes.
While not at first, but as fight continue you see pattern how each time Yonkos are noticing the sword and not the one holding it. You even see how other swords not refer to even with his 3 sword style. It's not demeening nor downplay as just stating from talk of Yonkos what they say. Also those examples are not really same case nor are reference the same way like how Enma is single out on having a mind of it's own and abilities. Zoro is strong, but it's obvious Enma is source of why he is there due to it's already establish features on it.
Garp's fist never stated like that nor RS has a mind of it's own and no one can actually control given complexity. I see more than one person stating stuff on Enma being source more from what seen.
Garp's fist never stated like that nor RS has a mind of it's own and no one can actually control given complexity. I see more than one person stating stuff on Enma being source more from what seen.
Enma is just a tool. A tool that improves Zoro's current strength by sucking on his haki (still Zoro's haki) that's been said to be hard to master by the characters in the manga.
Raid Suit is a tool, too, that's been pointed out by Sanji himself to improve his durability by a lot. There's no complexity to using the Raid Suit: Sanji tried it on for the first time against Page One and he already used it naturally.
If you try to downplay Zoro "because his strength comes from Enma" but ignore the benefits of the Raid Suit and how different it is to use, it's very, very clear that you're just hating on Zoro.
I know you'll disagree with this despite these being facts straight from the manga, but I'm really not going to argue about this forever and ever like I used to, so don't take my future silence as an agreement.
Enma is just a tool. A tool that improves Zoro's current strength by sucking on his haki (still Zoro's haki) that's been said to be hard to master by the characters in the manga.
Raid Suit is a tool, too, that's been pointed out by Sanji himself to improve his durability by a lot. There's no complexity to using the Raid Suit: Sanji tried it on for the first time against Page One and he already used it naturally.
If you try to downplay Zoro "because his strength comes from Enma" but ignore the benefits of the Raid Suit and how different it is to use, it's very, very clear that you're just hating on Zoro.
I know you'll disagree with this despite these being facts straight from the manga, but I'm really not going to argue about this forever and ever like I used to, so don't take my future silence as an agreement.
Zoro stated it has a mind of it's own otherwise he wouldn't act like that with him first introduce. Yonkos are even stating something on about the sword, so it's like a 'one-time' saying, it ongoing talk about Enma being magical sword than it appears to be.
RS doesn't give him power though unless you want make something up invisibility can make him block King's attack? Not denying anything on RS, but it is more on complex nature of use while Enma is not that much when you think about Haki and those you know who can harness it since Zoro isn't only one with Haki after all.
Then your ignoring canon on them stating 'Oden's spirit and the sword' as you wouldn't call out sword over the one holding it. That just weird and Kaido and Big Mom give credit to Luffy on his own and didn't mention about his DF. Not same case here with Zoro on his side.
Again agree to disagree, but if your ignoring character's statements especially what they said verbally, your the one don't want to admit it on canon scale when it is.
Remember when Zoro called Sandai Kitetsu a problem child "because it was hard to tame", because Sandai Kitetsu "cut more than Zoro intended to cut"?
Damn, if it isn't exactly the same thing Enma does! Just that Enma does it in a much more troublesome scale.
And damn, look at that, Zoro talking about a sword as if it was a person but obviously not implying that the sword is alive or "a magical sword that takes away any merit from its user".
Lol nah. Luffy overshadows him especially this arc if we talking on fights. Luffy vs Kaido is set and trying to force Zoro over him is headcannon you guys refuse to state about. Also you mean Kaido praising Enma while Luffy got main praise and got Pirate Legends behind him? Not same thing at all :.
Remember when Zoro called Sandai Kitetsu a problem child "because it was hard to tame", because Sandai Kitetsu "cut more than Zoro intended to cut"?
Damn, if it isn't exactly the same thing Enma does! Just that Enma does it in a much more troublesome scale.
And damn, look at that, Zoro talking about a sword as if it was a person but obviously not implying that the sword is alive or "a magical sword that takes away any merit from its user".
If I recall that wasn't push much anymore compare to Enma where many are more stating sword at it's own instead of it with Zoro. Difference between blades, is that only Zoro talks about it, but here you have more than one person talking about Enma as magical sword with Yonkos discussing about it as well Zoro stating having mind of it's own.
Sandai is not push on same level or naything like Enma at all. Funny enough he use 3 sword style in his attacks and yet only Enma is called out of anything else. So you see ongoing pattern about Enma being the source of why he is there. Not saying Zoro isn't strong. He is, but it's clear Enma is something as well with possible Ame sword too.
You mean thanks to sword? Also doesn't seem to do damage recent chapter as Hybrid Kaido is fine and he isn't even trying to attack them. Attacking him especially his Full Zoan doesn't give much feat if we seen Scabbards do the same, but didn't stop them from being defeated.
Is that jokingly? Looking obvious less than moreso he is doing.You ignoring certain facts it looks like going by the logic Oda is showing? Sorry just talking manga fact. Zoro damage yonko? Not really going off of Kaido he didn't do much to him.
I knew few users will try to overhype character now at Yonko lvl despite he is in team fight and Enma looks more like source there. Glad not everyone is thinking that though.
Lol no they aren't. All characters are YC lvl. Though can say Luffy and maybe Kidd and Law are bit above YC lvl, but aren't Yonko lvl. They are in different tier.
Lol no they aren't. All characters are YC lvl. Though can say Luffy and maybe Kidd and Law are bit above YC lvl, but aren't Yonko lvl. They are in different tier.
zoro perfomed better than luffy though. When luffy fought kaido for the first time, he couldn't hit through kaido's scale and was frowned upon by kaido.
When zoro fought kaido for the first time, kaido praised his attack and he even cut through kaido's scale.
