Discussion Zoro Discussion Thread

[nik87]

If it is, then its proof that Zoro's CoO is worse than Sanji's. Zoro didnt use observation haki against Pica, he just kept cutting the stones and kept isolating Pica so the real ones emerged. To me, this was way cooler than identifying Pica and attacking him in one shot, or one slice.

I dont mean the final encounter. I meant the moment when they ride up the stone statue on Moocy but my bad, it's anime-only scene...

 

[Shasha23]

If it is, then its proof that Zoro's CoO is worse than Sanji's. Zoro didnt use observation haki against Pica, he just kept cutting the stones and kept isolating Pica so the real ones emerged. To me, this was way cooler than identifying Pica and attacking him in one shot, or one slice.

I agree with you otherwise.

Pica is an assimilation human which mean the whole stone is his body, you cant detect him, you can only find him from the moving rocks!

 

[hokageji]

Pica is an assimilation human which mean the whole stone is his body, you cant detect him, you can only find him from the moving rocks!

Thanks, you've worded it perfectly. And thats how Zoro found him too, no need for Haki...

@nik87 OK, i thought u meant the fnial battle.

 

[M3J]

-Willing to throw away pride for others (both a pro and con)

How is that a con? I see that as a pro, honestly, and a bit of a character development, because he's willing to do what's right. He let Mihawk train him because he saw it as the right way to help Luffy.

I think the major concern about the development is post time-skip. Luffy's got so much attention and rightfully, but it leaves us hungry for more. While Sanji got an important arc for himself, Zoro hasnt.
I dont think we really need arcs specific to the other strawhats. WCI touched so much on Sanji's background but barely on his strengths. I woudlnt be interested in Zoro's background as much and hope we get to see him grow more.

Oh I'm definitely hungry for more, even with Sanji (though in terms of combat). I see Zoro as the badass of the Straw Hats, but it's hard to disagree with him having little to no character development. I'd be okay with specific character arcs, honestly, because it's fun learning more about these characters and their motivation. In order to see Zoro grow, we do need some of his background, but I'm actually murky on that.

If it is, then its proof that Zoro's CoO is worse than Sanji's. Zoro didnt use observation haki against Pica, he just kept cutting the stones and kept isolating Pica so the real ones emerged. To me, this was way cooler than identifying Pica and attacking him in one shot, or one slice.

I agree with you otherwise.

I feel like it'd be impossible for anyone without Future Sight to detect where Pica would be, but SHasha surprisingly explained that accurately and succinctly.

 

[Shasha23]

I feel like it'd be impossible for anyone without Future Sight to detect where Pica would be, but SHasha surprisingly explained that accurately and succinctly.

HUH

 

[hokageji]

HUH

Well, it is a surprising since it wasnt a rant to start with....

JK...

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I'd be okay with specific character arcs, honestly, because it's fun learning more about these characters and their motivation. In order to see Zoro grow, we do need some of his background, but I'm actually murky on that.

I wouldn't mind Zoro's backstory, but i just dont want him to become a warrior clan or a noble or any of those sorts. The Zoro narrative works best when its pure willpower and hardwork.

 

[Pirate Queen]

So a reedited Vivre Card Volume br Ohara's once again states Zoro is the second strongest person on the crew.

Sanji are losing ground on the Sanji>Zoro debate for sure.


Tho, this was common knowledge for a few months

Vivre Card Databook – Vol. 1 (all the new information!) REMAKE

So as you might recall, last September I posted the first volume of the Vivre Card packs, being the initial starter pack. Back then, still being new to the concept, I used a different format and I …

thelibraryofohara.com

 

[nik87]

Was there ever a doubt?

 

[Pirate Queen]

Was there ever a doubt?

Raid suit throws a wrench it I would think, or at least make the gap much smaller

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Was there ever a doubt?

And dont you think Zoro is stronger than Luffy? Or is that someone else?

 

[hokageji]

Sanji are losing ground on the Sanji>Zoro debate for sure.

The fact that the databook didnt even mention him is actual proof that Oda hates Sanji
Although i must say, there's no doubt Zoro is the 2nd in crew. Sanji has a 3 in his name, enough said. Question is, does it consider Jinbei?

 

[Pirate Queen]

The fact that the databook didnt even mention him is actual proof.
Although i must say, there's no doubt Zoro is the 2nd in crew. Sanji has a 3 in his name, enough said. Question is, does it consider Jinbei?

Good question, best guessed over in the Sanji discussion thread, which is stronger of the 2.

 

[nik87]

And dont you think Zoro is stronger than Luffy? Or is that someone else?

Not overall stronger I would say but if they ever fought seriously, without plot armor, I think Zoro would win. It will never happen tho.
I think Jinbe isnt considered in there or if he is it's calculated in from the moment he joins and by that time Zoro and even Sanji might be ahead of him.

 

[hokageji]

Not overall stronger I would say but if they ever fought seriously, without plot armor, I think Zoro would win. It will never happen tho.
I think Jinbe isnt considered in there or if he is it's calculated in from the moment he joins and by that time Zoro and even Sanji might be ahead of him.

I always think bringing up Plot is a poor reason to make in an argument, and once again i stand by it.

You are assuming Luffy will stand and do nothing? How will Zoro hit a moving target effectively? Have we seen Zoro fight anyone who's moving at high speed?
Lets imagine a Zoro vs Luffy fight
Zoro - wears bandana
Luffy - gear 4, snakeman
Luffy - santoryuu
Zoro- santoryuu, naniiii
Luffy - gear 4 grisly magnum
Zoro out...

You see? No plot armor here, just haki armor.

 

[nik87]

I always think bringing up Plot is a poor reason to make in an argument, and once again i stand by it.

You are assuming Luffy will stand and do nothing? How will Zoro hit a moving target effectively? Have we seen Zoro fight anyone who's moving at high speed?
Lets imagine a Zoro vs Luffy fight
Zoro - wears bandana
Luffy - gear 4, snakeman
Luffy - santoryuu
Zoro- santoryuu, naniiii
Luffy - gear 4 grisly magnum
Zoro out...

You see? No plot armor here, just haki armor.

Plot armor as in they arent allowed to die and not going all out doing their best.
Well you say Luffy wont just stand and do nothing but why would Zoro stand and do nothing in face of Grisly Magnum? It's much more complicated and we know that Zoro needs to land just one good slice and Luffy is out while Luffy's attacks may or may not take Zoro out, assuming Luffy's attacks go past Zoro's swords and Luffy doesnt get injured by going against the swords...

 

[hokageji]

Well you say Luffy wont just stand and do nothing but why would Zoro stand and do nothing in face of Grisly Magnum? It's much more complicated and we know that Zoro needs to land just one good slice and Luffy is out while Luffy's attacks may or may not take Zoro out, assuming Luffy's attacks go past Zoro's swords and Luffy doesnt get injured by going against the swords...

Agreed, Zoro wont just stand around but he isnt known for his movements is he? Of course, its more complicated and thats the point. The fight can go either ways so there is no way to conclude Zoro will beat Luffy.

The way i see it, Zoro battling a quick moving opponent will be a challenge. It is harder to hit someone when they keep moving which is why i see King as an excellent opponent for Zoro.

 

[nik87]

Agreed, Zoro wont just stand around but he isnt known for his movements is he? Of course, its more complicated and thats the point. The fight can go either ways so there is no way to conclude Zoro will beat Luffy.

The way i see it, Zoro battling a quick moving opponent will be a challenge. It is harder to hit someone when they keep moving which is why i see King as an excellent opponent for Zoro.

Agree, I didnt say it as a definitive thing, just my opinion that Zoro would probably win.

Well, from what we saw in the past, he didnt really have an issue with fast moving opponents because he doesnt have to move. The issue came from high attack speed, for example, Kaku's 4 sword style has beaten Zoro's attack speed and Zoro took damage because he couldnt keep blocking 4 swords completely while he had no issue at all with Kaku's Soru movement.

In a fight with Luffy, only the attack speed of Snakeman would present an issue, imo but as we saw, that form lacks power so he wouldnt be taken out from those hits that easily and he can always try to slice against those attacks which would hurt Luffy...

 

[hokageji]

It would be an interesting battle nevertheless... Surely as a swordsmen, he does have an advantage but Luffy has received enough powerups post timeskip that i dont see him having any trouble against Zoro.

 

[M3J]

I don't think Jinbei can be considered below Zoro or Sanji. No way he's below Sanji anyway.

As for Zoro vs. Sanji, if Zoro's CoA is superior, then he could cut through Sanji's legs, so I could see Zoro winning.

 

[nik87]

I don't think Jinbei can be considered below Zoro or Sanji. No way he's below Sanji anyway.

Not currently, I agree. However, after Wano, who knows...

As for Zoro vs. Sanji, if Zoro's CoA is superior, then he could cut through Sanji's legs, so I could see Zoro winning.

I smell doubt here. I hope it's a joke. You do know who is the Armament specialist?

 

[hokageji]

Isnt that what he is saying? Or are you saying Sanji's is superior