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Is It a Requirement for Zoro to have Conqueror's Haki?


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Because he couldn't cut the cage, that's why. And Birdcage seems to have been on another level as it cut Fujitora's meteor, if I recall correctly, and it was pushing buildings to the epicenter, while Luffy was able to break out of Doflamingo's binds. Birdcage seems to be superior.
 

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Because he couldn't cut the cage, that's why. And Birdcage seems to have been on another level as it cut Fujitora's meteor, if I recall correctly, and it was pushing buildings to the epicenter, while Luffy was able to break out of Doflamingo's binds. Birdcage seems to be superior.
No, Birdcage is made from strings of the Black Knight which fodder Corrida combatants have cut through.
The meteor is just stone or whatever, not a hard material. Fujitora who wanted to save the citizens too apparently couldnt cut it either, not that he tried either.
The Birdcage simply had plot armor to keep the suspense until Doffy is completely defeated. Fujitora saving citizens by cutting the Birdcage doesnt defeat Doffy himself.
The very fact that it never occurred to anyone to even try cutting it speaks for itself. It is Zoro who we are talking about, the man who hammered on Mr1 until he has gone through. The man with superior Haki, strength, weapons than Doflamingo. And the strings which Abdullah and Jeet have cut through.
All facts from the manga. And again, Birdcage is irrelevant in beating Doflamingo.
 

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Smh, trolllololololol...all day..with the same characters, with the same stupid debates. Dont ya get tired..
 

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Smh, trolllololololol...all day..with the same characters, with the same stupid debates. Dont ya get tired..
Always happens between flashbacks and "no chapter this week".

Birdcage was dumb, especially with Fujitora nearby, who could theoretical mess with the gravity of this thing and let it float to let everyone escape.... even the tontattas(who could fly through the holes) didnt do anything. Sabo could eventually burned 1-2 strings etc. Birdcage was full of holes and mostly plotrelated.
 

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Birdcage was dumb, especially with Fujitora nearby, who could theoretical mess with the gravity of this thing and let it float to let everyone escape.... even the tontattas(who could fly through the holes) didnt do anything. Sabo could eventually burned 1-2 strings etc. Birdcage was full of holes and mostly plotrelated.
Finally, I wonder why is this so hard to realize for all others...
 

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Finally, I wonder why is this so hard to realize for all others...
I thought you were the one who brought it up.....
 

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No one was ALLOWED to think about cutting it
Show me anyone thinking about cutting it, let alone trying.
You act like you never heard of plot induced stupidity. :kappa

I thought you were the one who brought it up.....
Brought up Birdcage? No, it wasnt me since I know it is irrelevant to beating Doffy.
 

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Again WG will know before hand he did that. He gets in trouble for fighting Warlord without order. You need to understand context and how WG acts. Fujitora would take out Doffy himself if it wasn't for WG's issues. He stated that before and one of the reasons he wants Warlord system gone.
Reread my post that not wat I said
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Always happens between flashbacks and "no chapter this week".

Birdcage was dumb, especially with Fujitora nearby, who could theoretical mess with the gravity of this thing and let it float to let everyone escape.... even the tontattas(who could fly through the holes) didnt do anything. Sabo could eventually burned 1-2 strings etc. Birdcage was full of holes and mostly plotrelated.
Thank you that was my point
 

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Plot induced stupidity is valid, but bad defense because you can still argue that the characters didn't think to cut through because they knew it wouldn't work. But then again, it shows that Oda isn't as good as made out to be as he could have just had them attempt to cut the strings and fail. It seems to be tougher and better than any other string-based skills Doflamingo has used.
 

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This is what swords look like when you have the edge forward, that in your screenshot what we see are the dull sides.

Besides, in that SS Kinemon says "its not something you can push to stop it". Zoro never attempted to cut, not a single time.
In the page you posted the blade is right in front of Zoro's face, so it's perfectly aligned with the "camera"

However in the page I posted the blades are not right in front of Zoro's face, that's why you see them slightly from the side

Still it's crystal clear that Zoro is pushing with the sharp sides


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Plot induced stupidity is valid, but bad defense because you can still argue that the characters didn't think to cut through because they knew it wouldn't work. But then again, it shows that Oda isn't as good as made out to be as he could have just had them attempt to cut the strings and fail. It seems to be tougher and better than any other string-based skills Doflamingo has used.
Zoro tried to do something before Kinemon and Kanjuro found him



It looks to me that he's still a bit far away from the Birdcage in this panel, then the Birdcage reaches him in the next ones
 

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Reread my post that not wat I said
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Thank you that was my point
Don't think you get what I mean though difference between them and why they didn't do it.
 

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Don't think you get what I mean though difference between them and why they didn't do it.
Destroying birdcage=/= defeating DD simple it’s either he can or he can’t and he couldn’t just like every1
 

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Destroying birdcage=/= defeating DD simple it’s either he can or he can’t and he couldn’t just like every1
Yes both couldn't, but not because same reason. Zoro is not on Doffy's lvl so he couldn't while Fujitora need permission before he can take out Doffy. Not because he was powerless to him.
 

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Yes both couldn't, but not because same reason. Zoro is not on Doffy's lvl so he couldn't while Fujitora need permission before he can take out Doffy. Not because he was powerless to him.
Again ur not answering my question destroying birdcage doesn’t mean dd defeat. Therefore u r agree he can’t cut it just like every1 else cause he can’t or else he wouldnt has help out zoro and the others
 
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Zoro would fight better against doflamingo than sanji did
Sanji lost in 5 pages lmao
 

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Zoro would fight better against doflamingo than sanji did
Sanji lost in 5 pages lmao
Sanji was switched out before a decisive decision was made... I think Sanji had more fight in him up until Law switched him out.
 

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Sanji was switched out before a decisive decision was made... I think Sanji had more fight in him up until Law switched him out.
Lol sanji was immobilized by doffy strings
If he wasnt switched, sanji would just die.
 

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Zoro would fight better against doflamingo than sanji did
Sanji lost in 5 pages lmao
No, he'd have lost in one page. It took Sanji that long to nearly lose because Doflamingo was trying to take down the ship and its crew. That bind is a sure death if the character can't get out, and it doesn't look like Zoro could have unless he had a free arm to swing his sword.
Sanji was switched out before a decisive decision was made... I think Sanji had more fight in him up until Law switched him out.
Nope, Sanji would have been stabbed had he not been switched out. Whether he'd have continued fighting is up for debate, but I highly doubt it.
 

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Sanji was switched out before a decisive decision was made... I think Sanji had more fight in him up until Law switched him out.
Sanji's my boy, but nah. He may have had more fight in him, but Overheat at point blank range wouldn't have been good for anybody. Doffy had him dead to rights. Hell, while I'm at it, Luffy breaking out of Parasite is legit plot protection since, as recently as Luffy vs. Katakuri, Luffy still needed to blow into his arm to activate Gear 4, yet, somehow, he activates Gear 4 without doing that necessary step to escape Parasite.

Zoro would be helpless against Parasite unless, as MJ3 said, Zoro had an arm free and a sword in hand.
 

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Zoro can summon 4 hands more with Asura to cut the Parasite...
Sanji's only chance is perhaps Hell's Memories to burn the strings but..Oda didnt do it and his leg was in DJ so...
 
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