Discussion Zoro Discussion Thread

[Pirate Queen]

Sanji's my boy, but nah. He may have had more fight in him, but Overheat at point blank range wouldn't have been good for anybody. Doffy had him dead to rights. Hell, while I'm at it, Luffy breaking out of Parasite is legit plot protection since, as recently as Luffy vs. Katakuri, Luffy still needed to blow into his arm to activate Gear 4, yet, somehow, he activates Gear 4 without doing that necessary step to escape Parasite.

Zoro would be helpless against Parasite unless, as MJ3 said, Zoro had an arm free and a sword in hand.

And I agree with you, but you cant count it as a loss if the fight never concluded.

It was a grim outlook for Sanji, but can't be taken as a loss.

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Zoro can summon 4 hands more with Asura to cut the Parasite...
Sanji's only chance is perhaps Hell's Memories to burn the strings but..Oda didnt do it and his leg was in DJ so...

Doflamingo could just parasite all 6 of Zoro's arms plus head.

He has is Gorilla pump up thing... does he still use that? Not a G4 equivelent but possible

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Lol sanji was immobilized by doffy strings
If he wasnt switched, sanji would just die.

Would not he the first time someone in One Piece continued to fight with a critical injury.... Ussop, Zoro, Luffy, Jinbe... have all continue to fight after receiving critical injuries at different points in the manga.

But dont get me wrong, Sanji was in an impossible situation, it just was a non concluded fight

 

[HereNThere]

Asura is a question mark for me as it's never been given a decent explanation as how to how it functions. It could potentially be his ace to escape, but if it is just an illusion, then all it would do is give Zoro the appearance 3 heads and 6 arms, but he'd still be paralyzed since his actual limbs are still constrained.

Definitely don't see Gorilla Pump giving Zoro Gear 4 level strength.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

He has is Gorilla pump up thing... does he still use that? Not a G4 equivelent but possible

He did it... atleast in the anime vs. Hawkins.

 

[Fox666]

Yeah, Azura is some sort of illusion... Zoro probably moves his body fast enough that it matches the speed of 6 arms, but it's still only 2 arms.

 

[Rmstorm]

Yeah, Azura is some sort of illusion... Zoro probably moves his body fast enough that it matches the speed of 6 arms, but it's still only 2 arms.

No, both Sanji and Zoro uses soul powers when using their Diablo Jumble and Asura.

The same powers Brook and Big Mom use.

 

[Fox666]

No, both Sanji and Zoro uses soul powers when using their Diablo Jumble and Asura.

The same powers Brook and Big Mom use.

That's just a theory to explain weird abilities.

But as far we know, Asura is some sort of illusion.

Even if it wasn't, wouldn't Zoro make arms identicals to his own? Doflamingo could easily take it away his swords if he was already caught by his strings.

 

[Pirate Queen]

No, both Sanji and Zoro uses soul powers when using their Diablo Jumble and Asura.

The same powers Brook and Big Mom use.

I'm pretty sure Sanji uses friction to use Diable Jamble...

Hell Memories on the other hand was explained rather comically and may very well be a good theory for it to be the power of his soul... but it's just a theory at this point.

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He did it... atleast in the anime vs. Hawkins.

I watched that, unfortunately its anime only. Like you said.

It was really cool tho! I missed that episode as I am more of a manga reader than an anime warcher.

 

[kkck]

My crackpot theory on azura: haki. If it was just moving really fast I don't see how azura could have the effect it has. Add to that that if it was just speed it wouldn't really be kyutoryu. So my crackpot theory is that azura is essentially an application of haki which allows you to manifest what might as well be extra arms. Something like using spirits to manifest extra arms or whatever.

As for diable jambe... dunno. Haki would be the more obvious answer as it can apparently explain anything nowadays. Friction alone wouldn't really account for sanji not burning himself. But if it is a haki effect of some sort then sanji not burning himself would make some semblance of sense. I couldn't explain how it makes sense of course but at least my suspension of disbelief would kick in in this scenario.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

I watched that, unfortunately its anime only. Like you said.

It was really cool tho! I missed that episode as I am more of a manga reader than an anime warcher.

Jeah i dont watch the anime either, but this scene was epic, kinda like all the animated zorofights. I wasnt even mad, that the fight was drawn out more, it just showed some of Hawkins abilities and zoros strength to hold against him.

Also its kinda saying something that Luffy lets Zoro handle another supernova, while basically doing nothing.

 

[nik87]

Asura has to be physical manifestation of haki and the cuts it does are real, not an illusion.
The summoned arms would be free of Parasite and they would neutralize it. Doffy catching new arms? He didnt re-catch Luffy either and Luffy wasnt even under Parasite, he was just held by strings.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Asura has to be physical manifestation of haki and the cuts it does are real, not an illusion.
The summoned arms would be free of Parasite and they would neutralize it. Doffy catching new arms? He didnt re-catch Luffy either and Luffy wasnt even under Parasite, he was just held by strings.

As expected from the god of chads, woro-sama already mastered the haki by manifesting it into physical form when luffy and sanji just learnt how to bypass tekkai.

Did people forget the grandmaster has the death stare? He used it to paralyze monet.
Woro just needs to stare at doflamingo and made him immobilized from fear. God, that is such a badass way to win.

 

[Rmstorm]

As expected from the god of chads, woro-sama already mastered the haki by manifesting it into physical form when luffy and sanji just learnt how to bypass tekkai.

Did people forget the grandmaster has the death stare? He used it to paralyze monet.
Woro just needs to stare at doflamingo and made him immobilized from fear. God, that is such a badass way to win.

Luffy is way more talented considering he only learnt haki 2 years ago.

Rayleigh was correct when he said Luffy is talented in Haki.

Keep in mind Luffy fully mastered the basics of Haki and was using Gear 4 1y/6months into his training.

Not only that but Luffy is using a higher Armament form than Zoro and Future Sight currently.

Luffy still manifested Future Sight and Conqueror's Haki at Marineford pre timeskip.

Zoro on the other hand was taught haki concepts (Breath of All Things) as a child from Koushiro Dojo in the East Blue.

Compared to Luffy just learning about it, his feat is not good.

 

[M3J]

Is that fair though, given Zoro didn't know about haki until told otherwise? Luffy is also actively learning as he goes along and discovers new haki (asspull or not), whereas Zoro hasn't come across that sort of challenge yet.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Luffy is way more talented considering he only learnt haki 2 years ago.

Rayleigh was correct when he said Luffy is talented in Haki.

Keep in mind Luffy fully mastered the basics of Haki and was using Gear 4 1y/6months into his training.

Not only that but Luffy is using a higher Armament form than Zoro and Future Sight currently.

Luffy still manifested Future Sight and Conqueror's Haki at Marineford pre timeskip.

Zoro on the other hand was taught haki concepts (Breath of All Things) as a child from Koushiro Dojo in the East Blue.

Compared to Luffy just learning about it, his feat is not good.

While I am a huge Luffy fan and enjoy your entusiasium... in this we cannot compare Luffy and Zoro.

Luffy's growth is unlike anything we've seen in the manga. I doubt a single person, even Zoro, could have learned Future Sight over the course of a singke fight. Luffy's potential and growth are just 1st rate compare to everyoneelses.


This is also a side effect of Oda coddling Zoro with softer opponents for 2 reasons imho.... and not just Zoro, all the SH's and Supernova aren't given nearly enough challenges to grow at the same rate as Luffy. Also a side effect of giving Zoro opponents that are 1 trick ponies. His fights always end up with who can swing their sword the hardest... 0 substance to his fights.

In response to growth rates, its non debatable. Luffy's growth rate is just insane.

 

[nik87]

Luffy learning FS during 10 hours is less impressive than Zoro learning to cut steel in less than an hour.

 

[kkck]

While I am a huge Luffy fan and enjoy your entusiasium... in this we cannot compare Luffy and Zoro.

Luffy's growth is unlike anything we've seen in the manga. I doubt a single person, even Zoro, could have learned Future Sight over the course of a singke fight. Luffy's potential and growth are just 1st rate compare to everyoneelses.


This is also a side effect of Oda coddling Zoro with softer opponents for 2 reasons imho.... and not just Zoro, all the SH's and Supernova aren't given nearly enough challenges to grow at the same rate as Luffy. Also a side effect of giving Zoro opponents that are 1 trick ponies. His fights always end up with who can swing their sword the hardest... 0 substance to his fights.

In response to growth rates, its non debatable. Luffy's growth rate is just insane.

I'd make the point that zoro and sanji did apparently begin the new world with more advanced haki than luffy. Zoro at least already had ryu and sanji might have had future sight (based on him dodging katakuri's attack during his wedding with puddin). To me it's also unclear on whether zoro would benefit from the type of haki that causes internal damage since his deal is cutting. Of course luffy's growth is explosive, that's not really debatable, but the context here is that haki can grow explosively during extreme situations so this type of powerup technically is available to everyone.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

cool trivia about the god of chads and future world strongest swordsman and creature : zoro is the only strawhat that luffy personally seek, the other crews just coincidentally met luffy on his journey

 

[Pirate Queen]

Luffy learning FS during 10 hours is less impressive than Zoro learning to cut steel in less than an hour.

Predicting the future vs cutting steel? Lol yeah right lol

 

[kkck]

We really have no context on how both skills compare difficulty wise. cutting steel has some relationship to haki and zoro learned it without even knowing haki existed. Based on how hyogoro explained it sounds like it has some connection to ryu specifically which is a pretty advanced skill. Considering how the fight between daz bones and zoro played out its not stretch that what happened there is comparable to how luffy has been learning haki recently. Except that it took luffy about a week to get the advanced versions of armor haki down while zoro did the metal cutting thing within the timespan of his fight with daz bones.

 

[Pirate Queen]

We really have no context on how both skills compare difficulty wise. cutting steel has some relationship to haki and zoro learned it without even knowing haki existed. Based on how hyogoro explained it sounds like it has some connection to ryu specifically which is a pretty advanced skill. Considering how the fight between daz bones and zoro played out its not stretch that what happened there is comparable to how luffy has been learning haki recently. Except that it took luffy about a week to get the advanced versions of armor haki down while zoro did the metal cutting thing within the timespan of his fight with daz bones.

Awakening haki isnt mastering it.

Luffy mastered it. Zoro after Awakening haki still couldnt cut certain things until the time skip

And I doubt Sanji knows Future Sight. Him dodging Katakuri was simply a high level of CoA.