Discussion Zoro Discussion Thread

[Pirate Queen]

Or Kaidou has a super tough skin, seeing as how not even Gear 4 did much to him.

I don't think it is, but if Rayleigh has it as first mate, then why shouldn't Zoro as one of the top fighters of the crew? Zoro can be a leader when needed and has been a decent leader in the moments when he needed to be (which is extremely rare). If wanting to rule was a requirement, then Luffy wouldn't have CoC as he doesn't care to rule, he just wants to be free. Hell, Shanks seems to be in the same boat as well, no desire to rule or do much leading, but he still has CoC.

But yeah, would rather have CoC be extremely rare. Zoro is a great candidate though, unless his killing intent/murderous aura is supposed to make up for it.

Rayliegh is called the Dark King for a reason.

While Zoro is the firstmate, the SH Crew is not set up like a traditional crew. Decision making is often left to whoever is the more knowledgeable at the time and it's not often Zoro.

Luffy may not want to rule consciously, but there are those that desire to follow him regardless. He is a natural born leader.

 

[nik87]

I think Rayleigh has no future sight as nothing indicated such, also, you can have amazing CoO without having FS. Surely, there has to be more people with it other than Katakuri. If I had to guess Shanks and/or Beckman and perhaps someone from WG/Marines.

Zoro and CoC, I dont see it happening. I mean storywise there is basis for it but I see no use for such ability in 1vs1 and Zoro already scares weaklings just by looking at them. His Asura did far better, it scared a strong opponent in EL.

 

[Brandish μ]

Idk if Zoro will get CoC or that he needs it. I like Luffy being the only one with it too.

But lately, I've really wanted Zoro to get CoC. When he unlocks it, that's when he'll tame Shusui on the path of becoming a legend like Ryuma and Oden.

 

[nik87]

Idk if Zoro will get CoC or that he needs it. I like Luffy being the only one with it too.

But lately, I've really wanted Zoro to get CoC. When he unlocks it, that's when he'll tame Shusui on the path of becoming a legend like Ryuma and Oden.

I think Zoro's big moment will be forging black blade(s) which is more unique than CoC. It is possible that he couldnt use Shusui to full potential since he didnt forge it black so couldnt reap all the benefits.

 

[kkck]

I've always thought that zoro not having CoC would be a letdown. The original pirate king crew had at least two CoC users... and IIRC oden has it as well. So that's 3 CoC in a single crew, albeit temporarily. You'd think the strawhats would be able to gather at least 2 CoC users within the main crew to kinda keep up with the roger pirates.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I've always thought that zoro not having CoC would be a letdown. The original pirate king crew had at least two CoC users... and IIRC oden has it as well. So that's 3 CoC in a single crew, albeit temporarily. You'd think the strawhats would be able to gather at least 2 CoC users within the main crew to kinda keep up with the roger pirates.

You don't really need CoC to compete tho. It's the ability of those destined to lead. It separates the true leaders from the followers and nihilists and those unworthy to rule. Just my take on it.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

those unworthy to rule

Big Mom and her "Taxes".
Kaidou and his dictatorship with explotation of the weak.
Blackbeard who is destined to be the big evil.

Doesnt really fit does it?

 

[Pirate Queen]

Big Mom and her "Taxes".
Kaidou and his dictatorship with explotation of the weak.
Blackbeard who is destined to be the big evil.

Doesnt really fit does it?

I dont decided who are unworthy to rule or not.

I'm talking about Wapol type rulers

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He's not a follower but he's definitely not a leader

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Thise that possess CoC have the qualities of a King... Big Mom and Kaido fit that description

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Thise that possess CoC have the qualities of a King... Big Mom and Kaido fit that description

Kinda offtopic, but for me its more like they have the will to make their own kingdom, or rules in general. And the release is more like a "dont stand in my way" kind of power anyway.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Kinda offtopic, but for me its more like they have the will to make their own kingdom, or rules in general. And the release is more like a "dont stand in my way" kind of power anyway.

I personally don't see why it would be off topic. I'm discussing how such a power would ill suit someone of Zoro's personality OR suit him just fine if it is something all top tiers have by "default"

Either way, I like your description of it.

 

[M3J]

Rayliegh is called the Dark King for a reason.

While Zoro is the firstmate, the SH Crew is not set up like a traditional crew. Decision making is often left to whoever is the more knowledgeable at the time and it's not often Zoro.

Luffy may not want to rule consciously, but there are those that desire to follow him regardless. He is a natural born leader.

For what reason is that?

Yeah, and Zoro doesn't care to make decisions unless it's time to make hard choices, like with Usopp or telling Luffy to stop acting like a reckless idiot. He and Luffy are way too laidback to take charge unless they have to, or unless Luffy wants to go somewhere that others don't.

I think I may be getting him confused with Captain America, but Luffy is also a great talker and motivator as well, and a great example of that was when he got the shipwrights and Franky's crew to work together to save their friends. Might be debatable, but Luffy wanting to be free is what makes him a great leader, and Zoro is also a great leader albeit a bit too harsh/blunt.

Luffy has his downsides as a leader (which the crew makes up for, like listening to Jinbei update them all on the changes since the timeskip) though, and so does Zoro, like resorting to extremes as first choice and getting lost.

Thise that possess CoC have the qualities of a King... Big Mom and Kaido fit that description

Zoro does as well, if Luffy does. Only difference is, Zoro isn't the captain, nor does he care to be the captain or lead unless necessary. It's usually Nami that leads others.

 

[Pirate Queen]

For what reason is that?

Yeah, and Zoro doesn't care to make decisions unless it's time to make hard choices, like with Usopp or telling Luffy to stop acting like a reckless idiot. He and Luffy are way too laidback to take charge unless they have to, or unless Luffy wants to go somewhere that others don't.

I think I may be getting him confused with Captain America, but Luffy is also a great talker and motivator as well, and a great example of that was when he got the shipwrights and Franky's crew to work together to save their friends. Might be debatable, but Luffy wanting to be free is what makes him a great leader, and Zoro is also a great leader albeit a bit too harsh/blunt.

Luffy has his downsides as a leader (which the crew makes up for, like listening to Jinbei update them all on the changes since the timeskip) though, and so does Zoro, like resorting to extremes as first choice and getting lost.



Zoro does as well, if Luffy does. Only difference is, Zoro isn't the captain, nor does he care to be the captain or lead unless necessary. It's usually Nami that leads others.

Other than strength, what qualities of a King does he have? Not be be argumentative, but outside of becoming the WSS his driving force is what Luffy tells him it is.


I think you may be confusing Captain America lol.

Luffy does bring out greatness in others tho. With Vivi, Shirohoshi, and Momo for example. He brings out their greatness.

 

[M3J]

Of course, technically they don't need it. But thematically i would argue it works best if at least 2 or even 3 strawhats had it. Rayleigh was just a second in command and had it.... and at least oden, a temporal member, had it. Even in other yonko crews you have at least 2. Ace in WB's crew, katakuri in big mom's crew... And I would argue marco is at least a strong candidate for having it as well considering how people treat him and the respect he commands.

On another note, I think BB won't have conqueror's haki. He is different from other conquerors we have seen. He had a dream but would only pursue it if he had a fruit... People with conqueror's haki so far don't seem the types to not pursue their objectives regardless of circumstances.

Blackbeard likely will have the haki. Blackbeard said he needed yami yami no mi in order to realize his dream, and he was willing to kill his own crew mate and face Whitebeard's wrath just to get the fruit. Yami yami no was part of his objective.

Other than strength, what qualities of a King does he have? Not be be argumentative, but outside of becoming the WSS his driving force is what Luffy tells him it is.


I think you may be confusing Captain America lol.

Luffy does bring out greatness in others tho. With Vivi, Shirohoshi, and Momo for example. He brings out their greatness.

As per my last email, being a leader when necessary. He lets Luffy tell him what to do because Zoro is laidback and just wants to fight, just as how Luffy's laidback because he just wants to be free and have fun. Though, Zoro's driving force is also protecting the crew. Zoro also brings having to look at the situation unbiasedly. There are at least two examples that I think I've showed, and more that I can't really remember, other than telling Chopper to stop crying when they lost the first round of Davy Beck.

Dunno, another instance was when Luffy chastised Vivi for not taking the crew into her confidence just because she was scared of them getting hurt, when they were risking their lives to help her. I think Luffy's not dumb, he just likes to live recklessly and impulsively as his primary motivations are to have fun and go on adventures.

 

[goldb]

Let's remember what this thread is for; Zoro. There are multiple threads about different characters or your #1 topic; haki, so go discuss your possibilities regarding other characters there.

As we've moved to discussing Zoro and haki, I'll add a poll about that to carry on that conversation. The moment you begin going off topic about other characters, I'll remove it all.

Thanks~

 

[goldb]

Poll Added.

This could be in regards to Zoro becoming the World Strongest Swordsman or just to be considered a strong character in the OPverse.

 

[M3J]

if Rayleigh can have CoC, then so can Zoro. If Katakuri can have CoC, then so can Zoro. If Ace could have CoC, then so can Zoro.

And he'll likely get it anyway, given his self-confidence and how scary he can be. If he wanted to, he could be a "conqueror," and as one of the primary fighters of the crew, he likely needs it anyway.

 

[goldb]

For what he's trying to achieve ( to become WSS), I don't see it as necessary to have CoC. His ambitions are entirely different to those other guys. For what we know it to be, not having it( CoC) won't make or break his campaign to that goal. As far as we know, Mihawk doesn't have it either( the most recent databooks only confirm him having CoA and CoO).

Now for the purposes of being improving the crew's standing among the strongest on the seas? again, I don't think it's necessary but it underline Luffy's legitimacy as an emperor if he can have as a crewmate someone who has the qualities of a king.

Personally for me, I'd like to see Zoro hone in his obversation haki as I believe that's more beneficial for a swordsman in duels.

 

[M3J]

It depends, I guess, on if other swordsmen have CoC as well or not. Having CoC would add to Zoro though, given his bloodlust. Imagine a guy who comes across as loving to kill also having CoC, along with his captain. THat'd make the crew even more dangerous.

It doesn't undermine Luffy's legitimacy, especially since he's got no desire to rule or be an emperor. Rayleigh knows CoC, but Roger is still a bigger legend than the first mate who's still alive. Zoro can have CoC, and still not undermine Luffy, especially given the insane things Luffy does.

 

[kkck]

For what he's trying to achieve ( to become WSS), I don't see it as necessary to have CoC. His ambitions are entirely different to those other guys. For what we know it to be, not having it( CoC) won't make or break his campaign to that goal. As far as we know, Mihawk doesn't have it either( the most recent databooks only confirm him having CoA and CoO).

Now for the purposes of being improving the crew's standing among the strongest on the seas? again, I don't think it's necessary but it underline Luffy's legitimacy as an emperor if he can have as a crewmate someone who has the qualities of a king.

Personally for me, I'd like to see Zoro hone in his obversation haki as I believe that's more beneficial for a swordsman in duels.

If you go that way you could also make the point that even luffy does not need CoC though. As in, nothing we know about it really evidences it doing anything. So far its only relevant when people with CoC clash and even then we have zero context on why its relevant and when fighting fodders which you'd easily defeat anyways. Overall the only relevance conqueror's haki has in the story so far is the hype factor and until the story actually elaborates nothing else. Conqueror's haki is essentially a dick measuring contest...

Zoro will absolutely need to hone his observation haki in the future. My guess is that at the admiral tier they have mastered all advanced forms of at least the conventional forms of haki.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I voted it not being a requirement, but I'd prefer he have it for the sake of Luffy being a CoC user who rules over other CoC users. Makes him even more epic