Discussion Zoro Discussion Thread

[Shasha23]

He killed two enemies out of at least ten, that's not much.

Killing roughly 20% of the people you fight sounds like a lot to me.

Anyway Kaido cant be just defeated he needs to die and the only person who is willing to kill and might be able to are Zoro, maybe Law can do the job too but there has not been any build-up for him killing Kaido unlike Zoro

 

[nik87]

He killed two enemies out of at least ten, that's not much.

How many Luffy has killed?

 

[jaymizzo]

How many Luffy has killed?

The only reason why Luffy hasn't killed his opponents is because he doesn't have a way to, as fists aren't going to kill top tier opponents, and Luffy isn't going to go out of his way to kill a defeated opponent. Zoro has swords, it's easier for him to kill.

I mean...

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Magistrate killer nickname for killing the Magistrate in opening chapter of Wano, with a fkin pencil(John Wick shit right there).

He killed the magistrate with a pencil? Are you sure Nik-chan?

 

[nik87]

He killed the magistrate with a pencil? Are you sure Nik-chan?

Dont ruin the John Wick parallel, as close as it gets to the pencil...

 

[jaymizzo]

Dont ruin the John Wick parallel, as close as it gets to the pencil...

 

[ish3]

Zoro hasn’t killed anyone in almost three years. But if it adds to the dark side of one piece I could care less who does.
Oda enjoys his symbolism more than what his fans want lol. I’m sure if anyone is gonna do it ironically odens son or one of the samurai. No one wants kaidos head more than them.

I expect the marines to pull up again just like in dress rosa but I don’t see it going well. I want to see green bull at the end of this arc or Garp. Someone’s gonna firsthand give luffy news about sabo. Tired of the mystery characters. Vegapunk too. If this is truly going to end in “5 years”. Which I still doubt.

 

[Shasha23]

Zoro hasn’t killed anyone in almost three years. But if it adds to the dark side of one piece I could care less who does.
Oda enjoys his symbolism more than what his fans want lol. I’m sure if anyone is gonna do it ironically odens son or one of the samurai. No one wants kaidos head more than them.

I expect the marines to pull up again just like in dress rosa but I don’t see it going well. I want to see green bull at the end of this arc or Garp. Someone’s gonna firsthand give luffy news about sabo. Tired of the mystery characters. Vegapunk too. If this is truly going to end in “5 years”. Which I still doubt.

2018 wasnt 3 years ago mate!
Kozuki family want Orochi more than anyone, they want to kill him themselves that's why all of them hate him soo much.
Kaido needs to die this arc thats what he wants and he is not the type to stop wanting destruction just cause he will lose to Luffy, he wont run away from Wano and even if he did he will come back after Luffy departs, he needs to die.

 

[M3J]

Besides which, 20% is way too high given Zoro has fought over hundreds of opponents, from the fodders to his personal arc boss. Rarely any have been killed. Feel free to prove me wrong

 

[Brandish μ]

I don't think Kaido has to die. He's been looking for a way to die, and if Oda does something with his character (development), he could change that to wanting to live. My prediction is that Kaido is beaten by Luffy and the Marines show up in time to claim Kaido, to stop the Beast Pirates and Big Mom Pirates alliance.

If Kaido will be killed, I don't see why Zoro has to be the one. Enma is the only reason Zoro has a ticket in the Kaido battle but that doesn't mean he gets admission. The way I'm reading Zoro is he'll be heading towards Kyoshiro and Orochi (I believe that's in the Flower Capital). Zoro has his own story in Wano too, most likely with the Shimotsuki clan, so that needs to be explored, established and given relevance in his battles. I suppose that could mean facing Kaido too.

 

[M3J]

With Zoro's superhuman endurance, I wouldn't be surprised if he was Kaidou's son or something.

Wouldn't be surprised if Kaidou survives and down the line, joins Luffy against the Marines/WG, as that was a plan anyway.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

SHP doesnt kill its enemies, so i doubt kaido is going to be killed, even if currently zoro has a dragonkiller sword
Probably someone else will come like admiral or blackbeard to off kaido

 

[King Moe]

Zoro won't much as what we seen. Still see his final opponents either Orochi or Kyoshiro from how Oda wants him to have traditional Samurai opponent.

 

[goldb]

If Kaido will be killed, I don't see why Zoro has to be the one. Enma is the only reason Zoro has a ticket in the Kaido battle but that doesn't mean he gets admission. The way I'm reading Zoro is he'll be heading towards Kyoshiro and Orochi (I believe that's in the Flower Capital). Zoro has his own story in Wano too, most likely with the Shimotsuki clan, so that needs to be explored, established and given relevance in his battles. I suppose that could mean facing Kaido too.

He does also want avenge Yasuie by defeating Orochi, which as you said, will likely lead him to clash with Kyoshiro again. How much strength that'll leave for him to get involved against Kaidou's forces, we'll see. Having 2 big fights back to back is a lot to ask, unless it's just a starring role against Kaido himself.

Well, there's also King, who would seem to be a swordsman would present it's own in challenges; especially if in conjunction with his devil fruit. I'd like to see that.

 

[M3J]

I dunno, Luffy had a back-to-back fight in Enies Lobby, no? He fought fodders, then Blueno, and then ran after Robin and Lucci? Wouldn't that be considered back-to-back or did he have enough time to rest after beating Blueno and eating meat? Given Zoro's stamina, it wouldn't surprise me to see him take on two fights, probably the Yonkou one with help.

 

[goldb]

I dunno, Luffy had a back-to-back fight in Enies Lobby, no? He fought fodders, then Blueno, and then ran after Robin and Lucci? Wouldn't that be considered back-to-back or did he have enough time to rest after beating Blueno and eating meat? Given Zoro's stamina, it wouldn't surprise me to see him take on two fights, probably the Yonkou one with help.

Zoro and Sanji also had to go through a lot of fodders to get to their cp9 agents. If I remember correctly Luffy ate meat after Blueno so that definitely was a contributing factor to him being able to fight another CP9 agent.
Regarding his stamina, his devil fruit also does help in terms of how he deals with damage/fatigue. Remember how Zoro crumbled after absorbing just a touch of Luffy's pain and fatigue on Thriller Bark?

 

[M3J]

Zoro and Sanji also had to go through a lot of fodders to get to their cp9 agents. If I remember correctly Luffy ate meat after Blueno so that definitely was a contributing factor to him being able to fight another CP9 agent.
Regarding his stamina, his devil fruit also does help in terms of how he deals with damage/fatigue. Remember how Zoro crumbled after absorbing just a touch of Luffy's pain and fatigue on Thriller Bark?

But they didn't have two named fights like Luffy did in Blueno and Lucci, it was just fodders and Kaku/Jabra.

It does, but I'd also say Luffy's own lifeforce plays a huge part. Luffy fainted after Kuma used an exploding attack, but Zoro was still standing and conscious despite having all of Luffy's fatigue and pain added to his own.

 

[nik87]

Back to back fights arent an issue. Zoro fought Ryuma, Oars and Kuma back to back and Oars was practically undefeatable and he still took on Kuma who for his state was also undefeatable.

 

[Fox666]

It does, but I'd also say Luffy's own lifeforce plays a huge part. Luffy fainted after Kuma used an exploding attack, but Zoro was still standing and conscious despite having all of Luffy's fatigue and pain added to his own.

Luffy was already unconscious when Kuma appeared (in fact Luffy didn't meet Kuma until Shabondy).

What I think happened when Zoro took all of Luffy "pain and fatigue" is that only Luffy can manage the effects of Gear 2.

When Luffy uses it, he pumps his blood increasing his metabolism, but the side effect is that it's like he had been awake for days, and can't help but sleep.

However since Zoro body is not rubber, it couldn't handle the pressure of his blood and it was literally pumped out of his body.

 

[M3J]

Luffy was already unconscious when Kuma appeared (in fact Luffy didn't meet Kuma until Shabondy).

What I think happened when Zoro took all of Luffy "pain and fatigue" is that only Luffy can manage the effects of Gear 2.

When Luffy uses it, he pumps his blood increasing his metabolism, but the side effect is that it's like he had been awake for days, and can't help but sleep.

However since Zoro body is not rubber, it couldn't handle the pressure of his blood and it was literally pumped out of his body.

Oh right.

I don't think Gear 2 could have affected Zoro's physical body, especially since enough time should have passed that Gear 2 stopped.

 

[Brandish μ]

Do any of you feel Zoro and Hiyori could be an item (as Oden and Toki were), and, at the end of the series, Zoro ends up at Wano?

I believe Zoro will go after Orochi, battling/beating Kyoshiro, and Hiyori killing Orochi with the Ame no Habakiri (maybe Zoro helps and uses Enma).

Of course, Zoro will be doing whatever is required to further Luffy's cause. I don't think Luffy would have an issue with Zoro aiming for Orochi before Kaido's crew, but at the end of the day Zoro will have to participate in the bringing down of Kaido and his crew in some capacity.