Discussion Zoro Discussion Thread

Fox666 · Mar 8, 2020

Lexusflame said:
Yeah. This is the age old discussions that are in every single shounen manga.

Zoro's now were the Itachi fan of Naruto or the Renji fans of Bleach... by the end of the Manga's the arguements slowly die down becuase overwhelming evidence is the the MC's just advance way too much for anyone to catch up.

My guess, Blackbeard and Luffy are going to remain at the top by the time One Piece ends. As its always the MC and their biggest rival.

Goku/Vegeta
Naruto/Sauske
Ichigo/Uryu
Etc... list goes on and everyone else is just 2nd tier.

In all of these cases, the main villain remained the strongest, and the characters needed to fight together.

In Dragon Ball case, Gotenks and Gohan remained stronger than Goku or Vegeta. In Bleach case, Uryuu storyline was not completed, and he barely showed his powers to conclude how strong he was.

nik87 · Mar 8, 2020

M3J said:
They're not rivals, so Zoro won't be trying to get stronger than Luffy.

Do you think EoS Luffy can defeat Mihawk?

Takuan · Mar 8, 2020

nik87 said:
Do you think EoS Luffy can defeat Mihawk?

Well of course

nik87 · Mar 8, 2020

Takuan said:
Well of course

Why are you so sure in that when Luffy will never take him on? :hmm

Takuan · Mar 8, 2020

nik87 said:
Why are you so sure in that when Luffy will never take him on?

Luffy will be the Pirate King, he'll be above everyone at the end of the series, just like Roger was. He might have a rival, like Whitebeard was for Roger; but that won't be Mihawk.

Fox666 · Mar 8, 2020

nik87 said:
Why are you so sure in that when Luffy will never take him on?

Mihawk himself said that becoming Pirate King is harder than surpassing him.

nik87 · Mar 8, 2020

Takuan said:
Luffy will be the Pirate King, he'll be above everyone at the end of the series, just like Roger was. He might have a rival, like Whitebeard was for Roger; but that won't be Mihawk.

What if he needs help against final opponent? That is at least one person who he is not above. Last time I checked it is Zoro who pursues strength, not Luffy.
Being PK changes nothing about strength, it is a navigational accomplishment of reaching Raftel.
Also, how do you picture Luffy beating Mihawk exactly?

Fox666 said:
Mihawk himself said that becoming Pirate King is harder than surpassing him.

I am sure I explained several times that PK being harder has nothing to do with strength.

goldb · Mar 8, 2020

Get the discussion back on topic or move to something else if you've exhausted your discussion points.

Pirate Queen · Mar 9, 2020

Discussion - Luffy and Zoro

Why are you? You make wild claims with no proof and keep dragging this on for no reason, until Luffy shows his COA has improved vs an actual person of note, his COA will be lower than Zoro's. A rock and a tree will never be as resilient and durable as a person, you bringing up those useless...

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Gunna put this here since @goldb might lock the thread if this continues and id rather not detract from a zoro thread.

Im starting to sound like a Zoro hater and that isn't the case.

I have always maintained Zoro is going to be Yonko tier without a doubt. My only ever issue with Zoro is that a very very small fraction of Zoro fans think he is above Luffy and it is just outlandishly false and their reasons are even more outlandish.

Zoro is not on the radar. Wano is not his arc, it is the arc were he is 2nd fiddle to Luffy defeating a Yonko Alliance. That is the harsh reality.

Pirate Queen · Mar 9, 2020

Storywise, Zoro is the LEAST important Strawhat. That is a fact.

Everyother SH is more vital than Zoro being on the crew. Fact.

Grandmaster Woro · Mar 10, 2020

Lexusflame said:
Storywise, Zoro is the LEAST important Strawhat. That is a fact.

Everyother SH is more vital than Zoro being on the crew. Fact.

Brook doesnt have vital role in the crews either, so does usopp
Nami+chopper also can replace sanji's role

Shasha23 · Mar 10, 2020

Grandmaster Woro said:
Brook doesnt have vital role in the crews either, so does usopp
Nami+chopper also can replace sanji's role

True the only vital members in the crew after the captain are Nami, Chopper and Franky.

Grandmaster Woro · Mar 10, 2020

Aki1991 said:
But strength has nothing to do with how Oda is treating his characters. All Strawhats are equal to Oda and the story.

Lol this is definitely not true, at least for post timeskip.
Post TS , luffy hogs all the showtime with occasional zoro time. The other crews had 1-2 moments, but thats it. Chopper is just a mascot fot merchandises nowadays.

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Shasha23 said:
True the only vital members in the crew after the captain are Nami, Chopper and Franky.

Yeah plotwise robin is vital for the poneglyphs but other than that she is just the cutie with interests in history, not really helpful for sailing stuff

Pirate Queen · Mar 10, 2020

Luffy = Captain(vital)
Sanji = cook+Combatant(vital)
Franky = shipwright +combatant(vital)
Robin = Poneglyph reader(Vital)
Chopper = Doctor (Vital)
Jinbei = Experience + helmsman + combatant (Vital)
Nami = Navigator (Vital)
Ussop = Sniper (semi vital for long range combat)
Brook= combatant + musician (nonvital but has 2 roles)
Zoro = Combatant (nonvital)

Zoro is literally the most non essential SH on board. Only fights and no other useful skills. And advice he gives pales in comparison to the advice jinbei can give... he isn't needed. Equal with brook. But even brook can play music to entertain the crew which is a great skill to have.

Luffy doesnt need Zoro as much as Zoro needs Luffy. Zoro would have never gotten out of east blue. Fact.

Grandmaster Woro · Mar 10, 2020

Lexusflame said:
Zoro is literally the most non essential SH on board. Only fights and no other useful skills.

Luffy lives in a world where pirates are in constant fights against marine and other pirates and somehow fighting skill is not important?

Pirate Queen · Mar 10, 2020

Grandmaster Woro said:
Luffy lives in a world where pirates are in constant fights against marine and other pirates and somehow fighting skill is not important?

Luffy has plenty of combatants in his crew without needing to depend on Zoro is all i'm saying honestly. If we are being factual about ESSENTIAL crew Luffy needs to become PK, Zoro comes in dead last. Remove all bias and its 100% true... Zoro isn't needed

That is not a slight against Zoro. Its purely factual. He doesn't fill in any role that Jinbei couldn't fill in a far better capacity. Jinbei and Zoro are probably equal in combat potential, more so than Sanji and Zoro.

Grandmaster Woro · Mar 10, 2020

Lexusflame said:
Luffy has plenty of combatants in his crew without needing to depend on Zoro is all i'm saying honestly. If we are being factual about ESSENTIAL crew Luffy needs to become PK, Zoro comes in dead last. Remove all bias and its 100% true... Zoro isn't needed

That is not a slight against Zoro. Its purely factual. He doesn't fill in any role that Jinbei couldn't fill in a far better capacity. Jinbei and Zoro are probably equal in combat potential, more so than Sanji and Zoro.

There is never a lack of combatants in world like one piece.
PK needs strong crews. Luffy even said this when he recruited zoro. Jinbei hasnt even joined the crew yet.
We saw how zoro played a role against kuma on thriller bark by impressing him. Then kuma wanted to help SHP in SA and timeskip happened. That basically means zoro actions indirectly saved the whole crew and prepared them for new world

Pirate Queen · Mar 10, 2020

Grandmaster Woro said:
There is never a lack of combatants in world like one piece.
PK needs strong crews. Luffy even said this when he recruited zoro. Jinbei hasnt even joined the crew yet.
We saw how zoro played a role against kuma on thriller bark by impressing him. Then kuma wanted to help SHP in SA and timeskip happened. That basically means zoro actions indirectly saved the whole crew and prepared them for new world

Sanji would have just been the one to make the sacrifice(he would have probably been put in a coma, but he would have survived). Zoro. Is. Nonessential. Like i said. Jinbei could easily fill his role.

M3J · Mar 10, 2020

Lexusflame said:
Luffy has plenty of combatants in his crew without needing to depend on Zoro is all i'm saying honestly. If we are being factual about ESSENTIAL crew Luffy needs to become PK, Zoro comes in dead last. Remove all bias and its 100% true... Zoro isn't needed

That is not a slight against Zoro. Its purely factual. He doesn't fill in any role that Jinbei couldn't fill in a far better capacity. Jinbei and Zoro are probably equal in combat potential, more so than Sanji and Zoro.

Zoro is Cap'n Clutch, he'll save the crew from death. usually saves Nami and Robin. Plus, Zoro also advises Luffy on the tough decisions, like being more mature (Punk Hazard) or not letting Usopp back in without an apology.