Discussion Zoro Discussion Thread

[sir_rocky]

How is Zoro not vital?

What is the use of all the doctors, navigators, poneglyph readers and whatever else if someone comes and slaughters them all.
Zoro is there to protect them and fight the fights they cannot. Sanji and Jimbei are strong but that is not enough.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Zoro is vital.

• The most alpha of men;
• Eye candy;
• Supervisor of the weights room on the Sunny;
• Secret left-eye haki ability;
• Future G.O.A.T.

Additionally he can be a voice of reason for Luffy, and is Luffy's most trusted ally - which is more important than a utility role.

Zoro is Cap'n Clutch, he'll save the crew from death. usually saves Nami and Robin. Plus, Zoro also advises Luffy on the tough decisions, like being more mature (Punk Hazard) or not letting Usopp back in without an apology.

This.

Sanji would have just been the one to make the sacrifice(he would have probably been put in a coma, but he would have survived). Zoro. Is. Nonessential. Like i said. Jinbei could easily fill his role.

Sanji was knocked out from a single blunt attack from zoro. No way sanji could survive all the pain. It was a role only zoro could take to protect the crews.

I could also say nami+chopper can fill sanji's role coz they can make healthy meals, if we want to talk about replacement

 

[Pirate Queen]

Zoro is Cap'n Clutch, he'll save the crew from death. usually saves Nami and Robin. Plus, Zoro also advises Luffy on the tough decisions, like being more mature (Punk Hazard) or not letting Usopp back in without an apology.

Things jinbei is able to do

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Zoro is vital.

• The most alpha of men;
• Eye candy;
• Supervisor of the weights room on the Sunny;
• Secret left-eye haki ability;
• Future G.O.A.T.

Additionally he can be a voice of reason for Luffy, and is Luffy's most trusted ally - which is more important than a utility role.

All great reasons to have him aboard lol. But all non essential reasons. Sorry. And the voice of reason can easily be replaced by Jinbei in a better capacitiy.

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How is Zoro not vital?

What is the use of all the doctors, navigators, poneglyph readers and whatever else if someone comes and slaughters them all.
Zoro is there to protect them and fight the fights they cannot. Sanji and Jimbei are strong but that is not enough.

As i said, Luffy has many combatants in his crew and Jinbei is just as good of a fighter as Zoro is. Your making it seem like Zoro is irreplacable because of his strength and it isn't true.

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There is never a lack of combatants in world like one piece.
PK needs strong crews. Luffy even said this when he recruited zoro. Jinbei hasnt even joined the crew yet.
We saw how zoro played a role against kuma on thriller bark by impressing him. Then kuma wanted to help SHP in SA and timeskip happened. That basically means zoro actions indirectly saved the whole crew and prepared them for new world

Kuma's relationship to Dragon is what saved the SH's.... come on. Yes Kuma was impressed by Zoro, but isnt why he spared the SH's on Shabondy......

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Kuma's relationship to Dragon is what saved the SH's.

No, kuma still wanted to capture luffy....this is why he fought at TB
Only after seeing courage and loyalty of zoro, kuma had a change of heart and actually helped them

 

[nik87]

Future strongest swordsman is not vital... Welp, you would have to make Luffy into a swordsman for that to be true otherwise it's simply wrong.

 

[Pirate Queen]

No, kuma still wanted to capture luffy....this is why he fought at TB
Only after seeing courage and loyalty of zoro, kuma had a change of heart and actually helped them

This is false. But okay, pretty sure i can't change your mind

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

This is false. But okay, pretty sure i can't change your mind

False in what way? Kuma attacked the whole TB and was going to pick luffy if not interruptes by zoro

 

[nik87]

More likely nobody cares about it because it doesnt matter lol.
Other top tier swordmenare doing JUST FINE without the WSS title.

At least Mihawk is no silver medalist what all Yonkos are lol. Mihawk achieved his own goal while all others remained short.
They are fine yes, they are just not above WSS, as I said, silver medalists in more ways than one.
And I am sure of all World's Strongest titles, Oda picked only 3 and gave one of them to swordsmen. because they dont matter.

 

[Pirate Queen]

At least Mihawk is no silver medalist what all Yonkos are lol. Mihawk achieved his own goal while all others remained short.
They are fine yes, they are just not above WSS, as I said, silver medalists in more ways than one.
And I am sure of all World's Strongest titles, Oda picked only 3 and gave one of them to swordsmen. because they dont matter.

Mihawk isn't even on their radar hahahaha

He's irrelevant. Completely not a threat to a single Yonko...

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Funny seeing you all worked up because the realization is setting in. Scrabbling to keep swordbois relevant in a story where their importance has drastically been hit

 

[nik87]

He's irrelevant. Completely not a threat to a single Yonko...

Indeed he is considering how big of a crew they got. As if any single man could stand to entire Yonko crew...

Funny seeing you all worked up because the realization is setting in. Scrabbling to keep swordbois relevant in a story where their importance has drastically been hit

You are reading me completely wrong. As calm as it gets and Mihawk is only raising on my PL scale, he is nr2 now, second only to Kaido.

You: Swordboi relevance has been drastically hit.
Oda: Here, a swordboi arc, one I have been looking forward to draw.
Also Oda: Wanks Oden, the swordsman, to high heavens.

 

[Aizen]

Moderator Notice:
This is not the PL thread. While topics of who is stronger between certain characters can and will come up at times, I don't want the thread getting sidetracked to this degree. Please take all debates about Zoro vs Sanji/Mihawk/Luffy there. Also, be mindful of the tangents regarding other manga, such as Naruto. This is not the place for those either. ~ Aizen

 

[Aki1991]

Why are we talking about Mihawk anyway? Isn't this topic not about Zoro?

Yeah, I believe that Mihawk is near Yonkou and Admiral level. Maybe he is even stronger, we will see. But never ever is Mihawk >>> Shanks or Yonkou...

Zoro is strong and he will be the SSW, but he will be weaker than Luffy. Maybe Zoro has to fight against somebody who has beaten Mihawk. But I will not like this.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

Yeah, I believe that Mihawk is near Yonkou and Admiral level. Maybe he is even stronger, we will see. But never ever is Mihawk >>> Shanks or Yonkou...

Shichibukai Weevil is compared to young Whitebeard. Why can't Mihawk be on par or stronger than yonkou/admirals?

If anything, in terms of portrayal, Zoro is getting closer to Oden. He now wields Enma, a katana that Oden cut Kaido with. The same Kaido that Luffy couldn't do sh*t against, with all his Gear 4th might.

Furthermore, Zoro is likely to get even stronger than Oden, as he is very likely to upgrade at least one of his swords to Black Blade level.

And here we are underestimating Zoro's final goal — Mihawk. Who is most likely stronger than any swordsman we have ever seen in the series, including Oden.

I'm not saying Mihawk is definitely stronger than any of the yonkou, but hypothetically speaking he could easily be stronger than one or two current yonkou.

 

[nik87]

Shichibukai Weevil is compared to young Whitebeard. Why can't Mihawk be on par or stronger than yonkou/admirals?

If anything, in terms of portrayal, Zoro is getting closer to Oden. He now wields Enma, a katana that Oden cut Kaido with. The same Kaido that Luffy couldn't do sh*t against, with all his Gear 4th might.

Furthermore, Zoro is likely to get even stronger than Oden, as he is very likely to upgrade at least one of his swords to Black Blade level.

And here we are underestimating Zoro's final goal — Mihawk. Who is most likely stronger than any swordsman we have ever seen in the series, including Oden.

I'm not saying Mihawk is definitely stronger than any of the yonkou, but hypothetically speaking he could easily be stronger than one or two current yonkou.

Now that is a proper sword wank, Pea-chan. I am proud of you.

 

[jaymizzo]

If anything, in terms of portrayal, Zoro is getting closer to Oden. He now wields Enma, a katana that Oden cut Kaido with. The same Kaido that Luffy couldn't do sh*t against, with all his Gear 4th might.

What does this have to do with powerscaling Zoro? You are attributing feats of one character and magically applying them to another...

Oden also got one shot by Kaido? What's your point?

 

[Deleted member 169696]

What does this have to do with powerscaling Zoro? You are attributing feats of one character and magically applying them to another...

Oden also got one shot by Kaido? What's your point?

Not every character has a body as strong as Kaido's or BM's, doesn't necessarily make them weaker overall. They have other means to avoid getting one shot.

Oden was caught off guard. If anything, Oden too could end Kaido's life after he cut him.

Back then, 1 one 1, Oden would win.

I'm drawing parallels that's all. Zoro's final opponent can't be weaker than Oden, who was stronger than Kaido 20 years ago. In 20 years Kaido could have gotten much stronger, or just somewhat stronger.

But the toughness of his body remained more or less the same. We know that from what Hiyori has told Zoro: the only weapon that was able to wound Kaido. Implying that nothing could deal damage to Kaido. Not now, not back then.

Mihawk > Oden. Because Yoru. A black blade. It's the quintessence of swordsmanship, and Mihawk has reached this level. Oden easily overcame Kaido's defence with "regular" swords, imagine Mihawk with a black blade.

Now that is a proper sword wank, Pea-chan. I am proud of you.

Lol.

 

[XXGenesis]

Zoro's final opponent is the bald head swordsman of the 5 Star Celestials..whatever their group name is again. He's Zoro's final opponent.

Zoro vs Mihawk will definitely happen, its gonna be epic. I think it's going to go down more as a duel that has to happen because of pride. Over Mihawk being an antagonist to the crew and Zoro stepping up for obvious reason.

 

[nik87]

Zoro's final opponent is the bald head swordsman of the 5 Star Celestials..whatever their group name is again. He's Zoro's final opponent.

Zoro vs Mihawk will definitely happen, its gonna be epic. I think it's going to go down more as a duel that has to happen because of pride. Over Mihawk being an antagonist to the crew and Zoro stepping up for obvious reason.

Do you think Baldosei is stronger than Mihawk or you think there is a point for Zoro to have some other fight as his last one and not Mihawk?

 

[King Moe]

Mihawk is not above Yonkos. He is under them as well Admirals. He at best above YCs, but even Yes kinda brush him off in the war unlike force of Akainu where everyone needed to stop him and it wasn't easy.

 

[M3J]

Things jinbei is able to do

Figured you'd say that, and that may be a thing, but Jinbei isn't with the crew yet, and he'd probably offer different perspective. But Zoro was the only one who told Luffy what was what, and Luffy listened without an argument.