Discussion Zoro Discussion Thread

[Grandmaster Woro]

Im explaining it just fine now. 3 pages of this discussion and your asking the same damn thing. if have more fighters were ESSENTIAL than the Strawhats wouldn't have got this far. The number they are at is fine, obviously because they are all still alive. Jinbei replacing Zoro doesnt change the structure of the crew at all at this point in the manga.

Take Zoro away and replacing him with a fighter of equal caliber doesn't change the structure of the crew... what does change is that Jinbei is also a world class helmsman, making him more ESSENTIAL crew member for a sea such as the NEW WORLD.

I'm gunna go ahead and guess your next comment is gunna be, SEE FIGHTERS ARE ESSENTIAL.

You dont realize how your arguments are biased here, dont you? You keep complaining for this long debate but I could also say the same thing since you fail to understand my points. But I dont do that coz the point of my posts is for discussion, dont know why you throw a fit over this though.

SHP have plot armor. Realistically speaking, the lack of combatants in SHP would make them dying in grand line. In New world, SHP conveniently has allies to help them.
Helmsman is not essential, they survive well even past dressrosa, it's what you call useful tho
See, you keep changing your definition on "essential" to suit your arguments.

 

[Pirate Queen]

You dont realize how your arguments are biased here, dont you? You keep complaining for this long debate but I could also say the same thing since you fail to understand my points. But I dont do that coz the point of my posts is for discussion, dont know why you throw a fit over this though.

SHP have plot armor. Realistically speaking, the lack of combatants in SHP would make them dying in grand line. In New world, SHP conveniently has allies to help them.
Helmsman is not essential, they survive well even past dressrosa, it's what you call useful tho
See, you keep changing your definition on "essential" to suit your arguments.

Jesus I thought this was over.

I did not in all my comments change the definition of the word ESSENTIAL. Just leave it. You clearly are against it. You consider combatant essential. You have said as much. That you point and you have stressed it like a broken record. The problem is while having many high tier combatants is USEFUL Luffy does not need many high tier combatants or he would have never gotten this far.

Luffy's ability to gather allies to his cause is an ability that cancels the need for him to welcome aboard high teir combatants onto his crew I large numbers. We have examples of this during the War and his alliance to Law and others. Zoro is a combatant and advisor to Luffy, but so does Jinbei and Jinbei also bring more to the ship than just strength and advice giving.

Nothing changes to the structure of the Strawhats if Zoro got replaced with Jinbei but the structure would change if say Robin was killed because they would need a Poneglyph reader for Luffy to reach Raftel.

Your too focus on personalities and usefulness when the debate has only ever been who is ESSENTIAL and you try to say I'm a Zoro hater when I actually respect Zoro a great deal... but that doesnt change the fact that Luffy can just as easily become PK without him because there is a solid replacement for him as a combatant and advisor to Luffy.

Now please. Let's move on. I get your point. And while you don't get mine I can respect that because at this point I'm sounding like a broken record just as much as you.

Can we agree to jump to the next topic?

Who do you think Zoro is going to fight in the upcoming war? I have stated my thoughts above. What do you think? King is the obvious answer.

 

[M3J]

Zoro vs King seems legit... but Imagine Marco vs King aerial battle! I wanna seem that lol

What if Zoro goes after Big Mom? Idk.... fuck but it seems Luffy, Kid, and slaw might be taking on Kaido together...

Dunno, but it feels weird for Zoro to go after and beat a boss, especially one of the strongest boss of one of the strongest pirate groups in the world, when Luffy couldn't. Though Zoro might have help, which sounds better.

Marco vs. King sounds decent, but perhaps we may see Zoro find a way to take on aerial fruit users.

Idk man. Orochi is actually pretty legit and now the moves he made in the latest chapter???? Fuck, we might be surprised and he is an actual threat.... He's... He's something.

I dunno, if he's too weak and alone, he might not be able to beat ZOro even with cunning. But then again, his devil fruit might let him keep on, if my memory serves me right and he's a three-headed snake that regrows their head if cut off. Might be a delayer for Zoro or Momonosuke's opponent, as Orochi is behind what happened to Kozuki.

Jesus I thought this was over.

Then stop replying. It's what I do when the posts get too long and aren't worth the time or when Hannibal Psych

 

[Pirate Queen]

Dunno, but it feels weird for Zoro to go after and beat a boss, especially one of the strongest boss of one of the strongest pirate groups in the world, when Luffy couldn't. Though Zoro might have help, which sounds better.

Marco vs. King sounds decent, but perhaps we may see Zoro find a way to take on aerial fruit users.

I dunno, if he's too weak and alone, he might not be able to beat ZOro even with cunning. But then again, his devil fruit might let him keep on, if my memory serves me right and he's a three-headed snake that regrows their head if cut off. Might be a delayer for Zoro or Momonosuke's opponent, as Orochi is behind what happened to Kozuki.


Then stop replying. It's what I do when the posts get too long and aren't worth the time or when Hannibal Psych

Orochi has 8 heads I believe as in Yamata no Orochi... and if I remember the legend correctly he can regrow his heads infinitely and has otherworldly abilities....

Definitely setting him up to stall SOMEONE I just think Zoro wanted to kill him badly enough, it could be his fight like a Pika fight.... damn I wish there was a top tier Samurai Zoro could go up against... it could have been a beautifully done pure sword skill fight.

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As for Ariel's battle I thought of Sanji vs King making sense... but idk. Putting Sanji up against a YC1 right off the bat.... I worry for the forums hahaha. I dont think some people could handle it.

We still have the Numbers and Flying 6!

The Leader of the Numbers or Leader of the Flying 6 could still be a thing.

 

[M3J]

That was a quick reply.

If so, then he'd definitely be a challenge for Zoro, but it feels weird for Zoro to not fight Kaidou's top commander when Luffy is fighting Kaidou. There should be enough opponents, hopefully, for Zoro to fight.

I thought Sanji vs. King too, but isn't King a swordsman? I forgot, but if he is, then that's a bad matchup.

 

[Pirate Queen]

That was a quick reply.

If so, then he'd definitely be a challenge for Zoro, but it feels weird for Zoro to not fight Kaidou's top commander when Luffy is fighting Kaidou. There should be enough opponents, hopefully, for Zoro to fight.

I thought Sanji vs. King too, but isn't King a swordsman? I forgot, but if he is, then that's a bad matchup.

Queen had a sword as well, but never used it to fight... maybe it's the same thing for King?

 

[M3J]

oh shit, then no idea then. Maybe Zoro will fight Queen and someone else will fight King?

 

[Pirate Queen]

oh shit, then no idea then. Maybe Zoro will fight Queen and someone else will fight King?

If the leader of the Numbers is a big enough threat I can see Zoro tr aking him on because at this point Zoro has monstrous strength that a monstrous opponent would me perfect even of he wasnt a swordsman

 

[M3J]

If the leader of the Numbers is a big enough threat I can see Zoro tr aking him on because at this point Zoro has monstrous strength that a monstrous opponent would me perfect even of he wasnt a swordsman

That wouldn't align with his goal though; why would he fight a non-sword user unless there's no choice, on a land full of sword users that could give him a challenge?

 

[Pirate Queen]

That wouldn't align with his goal though; why would he fight a non-sword user unless there's no choice, on a land full of sword users that could give him a challenge?

Right. I agree, but (correct me if I'm wrong) his last few fights didnt end in sword duels

Pika(Stone Golem), Monet(Snow woman), that Dragon on PH, that PX unit...

Zoro hasn't had a solid sworduser battle in NW at all.

It's actually my biggest complaint about Zoro, as I'm sure your aware. For being the future WSS he has surprisingly little duels with swordsmen.

Actually, he had that fight with that swordsman Fishman, but I think he was fodder, so i think the point stands.

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To your point. Zoro SHOULD fight an elite swordsman, I just don't know if Oda can deliver

And all the Wano Samurai strong enough to pose a challenge are on Zoro's side.

 

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[M3J]

Right. I agree, but (correct me if I'm wrong) his last few fights didnt end in sword duels

Pika(Stone Golem), Monet(Snow woman), that Dragon on PH, that PX unit...

Zoro hasn't had a solid sworduser battle in NW at all.

It's actually my biggest complaint about Zoro, as I'm sure your aware. For being the future WSS he has surprisingly little duels with swordsmen.

Actually, he had that fight with that swordsman Fishman, but I think he was fodder, so i think the point stands.

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To your point. Zoro SHOULD fight an elite swordsman, I just don't know if Oda can deliver

And all the Wano Samurai strong enough to pose a challenge are on Zoro's side.

What do you mean? He was in sword duel against the mask guy and Killer, and prior to that he didn't really fight anyone other than killing slashes. Monet and others go way far back, and Pika was kinda using swords, no? But he wasn't really fighting back.

He should, given Kaidou was said to have at least 500 devil fruit users in his crew.

 

[Fox666]

To your point. Zoro SHOULD fight an elite swordsman, I just don't know if Oda can deliver

And all the Wano Samurai strong enough to pose a challenge are on Zoro's side.

There's Hawkins, the All-Stars all carry some sort of blade...

 

[Pirate Queen]

There's Hawkins, the All-Stars all carry some sort of blade...

Oh that's right! Hawkins monster had a sword.

I knew I was forgetting someone

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

oh shit, then no idea then. Maybe Zoro will fight Queen and someone else will fight King?

I am 99% sure Zoro will fight king

 

[M3J]

I just want to see him have a good fight and character development.

 

[Fox666]

Oh that's right! Hawkins monster had a sword.

I knew I was forgetting someone

Hawkins himself carry a sword. He's as much of a swordman as Law or Cracker.

 

[nik87]

I just want to see him have a good fight and character development.

Marrying Hiyori and becoming future Shogun of Wano is enough of a character development?

 

[Fox666]

Zoro has no affection to Hiyori, since she is not a blade.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Marrying Hiyori and becoming future Shogun of Wano is enough of a character development?

Lmao momonosuke get dethroned because zoro is too much of a chad.