Discussion Zoro Discussion Thread

[M3J]

One thing I like about Zoro coming from a side branch is that he'd probably just say "fuck off" to the main branch for being asses if they dared. He wouldn't care about customs or rituals like the younger Hyuuga siblings did. Look at how Zoro was willing to cut down a Tenryuubito until Bonney interceded. Imagine the reactions when he just tells the authority to fuck off

 

[nik87]

Of course you can't provide a panel so stop stating it as fact. And common sense also tells us not to state things as fact unless it is actually a fact. We dont know if they fought ever day or once a month or just once. Nor do you know the details of such training.
You have no idea!
Luffy could have easily fought with Rayleigh the same amount of times Zoro fought with Mihawk and you have no way of knowing.
It's just poor debating and comes off as bait/trolling. Dont act as if you know what happened in those 2 years.

I am gonna keep saying it but let it be known that it ISNT A FACT...
If Rayleigh fought with Luffy he fought half a year less, lol.

Zoro fighting against Mihawk during his training is the most logical conclusion one can come up with because baboons, Perona and thin air are not an option.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I am gonna keep saying it but let it be known that it ISNT A FACT...
If Rayleigh fought with Luffy he fought half a year less, lol.

Zoro fighting against Mihawk during his training is the most logical conclusion one can come up with because baboons, Perona and thin air are not an option.

"I'm gunna keep intentionally lying even tho I know it it's factually inaccurate"

Lol what are you even doing now, Dude?

Luffy fought a top tier half a year less because he completed his training, as stated. Zoro did not and needed the full 2 years apparently, from what you are saying. Luffy's remaining 6 months was getting stronger on his own.

How can you even compare 2 different trainings/trainers? How do you know Mihawk is a better instructor than Ray or if Zoro got more out of the training than Luffy?

Agains what your saying is just terrible.

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One thing I like about Zoro coming from a side branch is that he'd probably just say "fuck off" to the main branch for being asses if they dared. He wouldn't care about customs or rituals like the younger Hyuuga siblings did. Look at how Zoro was willing to cut down a Tenryuubito until Bonney interceded. Imagine the reactions when he just tells the authority to fuck off

I don't think it would matter until the end of the arc. I find it hard to believe it happening during the FF.

 

[nik87]

"I'm gunna keep intentionally lying even tho I know it it's factually inaccurate"
Lol what are you even doing now, Dude?

Luffy fought a top tier half a year less because he completed his training, as stated. Zoro did not and needed the full 2 years apparently, from what you are saying. Luffy's remaining 6 months was getting stronger on his own.
How can you even compare 2 different trainings/trainers? How do you know Mihawk is a better instructor than Ray or if Zoro got more out of the training than Luffy?
Agains what your saying is just terrible.

Common sense is lying? You learn something lew each day...

Luffy took 1.5 years just to learn basics of Haki. Training for a rookie is never over.
What I can compare is that Mihawk is stronger than wild animals and Rayleigh together.
It isnt terrible, you just cant stand the idea that Zoro is stronger than Luffy.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Common sense is lying? You learn something lew each day...

Luffy took 1.5 years just to learn basics of Haki. Training for a rookie is never over.
What I can compare is that Mihawk is stronger than wild animals and Rayleigh together.
It isnt terrible, you just cant stand the idea that Zoro is stronger than Luffy.

I can't stand someone chosing to lie and derailing a thread simply for the sake of it. You don't like being called out? You can ignore me.

It's common sense that A Captain is stronger than his first mate, but you would downplay that as well because Zoro is involved.

More lying. It took Lufy 1.5 years just to learn the basics of haki. No, you don't know the specifics of the training again. You d ol not know if "JUST" Haki was learned... fighting was also involved, as stated. You don't know Mihawk is stronger than Rayliegh that is an opinion, not a fact and again you cant base the quality of the training just by who is stronger than who. It doesnt work that way. You need to know who got the most out of the training to prove which training was better.

And Luffy is stronger that Zoro. That's not a debate nor is it the discussion we are having. Zoro will never be Luffy equal. You try so hard to prove otherwise but the minuscule amount of people who think Zoro is stronger than Luffy is slowly disappearing the more we see.

Luffy fans dont have to prove shit.... it's all on Zpro fans to bark louder to make themselves seem more important that the main character

 

[M3J]

I don't think it would matter until the end of the arc. I find it hard to believe it happening during the FF.

I actually don't think it'll happen at all, I'm just spitballing. If anything, Zoro won't learn about his lineage this arc, if anything.

 

[nik87]

I can't stand someone chosing to lie and derailing a thread simply for the sake of it. You don't like being called out? You can ignore me.

It is not a lie, it is an educated guess.

It's common sense that A Captain is stronger than his first mate, but you would downplay that as well because Zoro is involved.

Good but what will we do with Zoro who officially isnt the first mate?

More lying. It took Lufy 1.5 years just to learn the basics of haki. No, you don't know the specifics of the training again. You d ol not know if "JUST" Haki was learned... fighting was also involved, as stated.

I know that manga stated that he needed 1.5 years just for haki basics, that's what i said...

You don't know Mihawk is stronger than Rayliegh that is an opinion,

Rayleigh wasnt WSS last time I checked.

you cant base the quality of the training just by who is stronger than who. It doesnt work that way. You need to know who got the most out of the training to prove which training was better.

Pretty sure fighting a top tier for two years will yield better results than fighting animals.

And Luffy is stronger that Zoro. That's not a debate nor is it the discussion we are having. Zoro will never be Luffy equal. You try so hard to prove otherwise but the minuscule amount of people who think Zoro is stronger than Luffy is slowly disappearing the more we see.

Based on what? Headcanon? Based on fact that he has shown his limits while Zoro hasnt? The only time the author of the manga has put them against each other, they were equal and plot armor aka magical flip flops were needed to keep Luffy safe.

Luffy fans dont have to prove shit.... it's all on Zpro fans to bark louder to make themselves seem more important that the main character

Let's see how loud will Wano bark for us Zoro fans when Zoro actually shows his limits.

 

[Pirate Queen]

In an arc where the 3 strongest Supernova are fighting against Yonko... Zoro fans have set their expectations far too high.

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Zoro, second strongest. Never forget.

It won't change. The only thing that changes is how far the gap is between the 2.

 

[King Moe]

I was told we shouldn't take everything on databooks as canon or should we? Though it just say Zoro is above Luffy, but never said by Sanji and look at Wano Arc, Sanji look to be stronger than him or at best equals.

 

[then00b]

Don't take databooks and stuff seriously they're just merch. They'll need to update Kanjuro's Vivre Card at some point too.
Punch for punch Zoro is stronger, he trains nonstop and is apparently learning more advanced haki control on top of already knowing black haki. At present Sanji just has a possible speed advantage, but being at weird disadvantages while annoying are just opportunities for Zoro to grow stronger, he developed his flying slashes on the Braham in Skypeia, basically fighting blinded.

 

[M3J]

Databooks are accurate enough up to the point in story when the databook was last made, if that makes sense. Of course, you should use databooks as an augment to the manga, like knowing Zoro is the second strongest, but it's not necessarily all facts. Didn't it say Sabo was dead or treat him as if though he was dead? I don't think it mentions spoilers or anything that'll happen in the future, and Zoro being the second strongest after Luffy doesn't spoil or ruin anything.

Thus, unless proven otherwise, we can take it as a fact that Zoro is the second strongest.

 

[thedude]

You have nothing to shrug off, it is a manga fact which you should accept. You disagree with manga?
Also, nothing to be worried about, only correcting your expectations that lineage is an explanation for why Zoro is so strong. He fought a top tier for 2 years, he wasnt becoming buddies with animals for 2 years. Did you forget that? Maybe that is a reason why he is so strong.

See, there it is. Why do you say things like that? Luffy's training of two years, which we've seen actual glimpses of, is reduced to "becoming friends with animals". What does it accomplish to lie like this?

 

[jaymizzo]

See, there it is. Why do you say things like that? Luffy's training of two years, which we've seen actual glimpses of, is reduced to "becoming friends with animals". What does it accomplish to lie like this?

I don't think he realises how bad that actually makes Mihawk look, and by extension Zoro.

The manga has shown what would happen if Mihawk actually fought Zoro, the guy half assed Zoro preTS but someone wants us to believe be was held back in a fight by Zoro for 2 years...?

You wouldn't go around saying you've fought Mike Tyson after some sparring sessions or him training you because everyone knows that if he actually fought you, you'd be in hospital.

Both Luffy and Zoro were trained by their respective mentors... It's quite telling that only Zoro fans cling onto "fight" to try and elevate him while not realising how weak that makes Mihawk seem.

P.S. If Zoro fought Mihawk for 2 years and didn't die in that time, does that not mean he is Mihawks equal therefor Mihawk is no longer WSS?

 

[nik87]

See, there it is. Why do you say things like that? Luffy's training of two years, which we've seen actual glimpses of, is reduced to "becoming friends with animals". What does it accomplish to lie like this?

Mihawk>Wild animals. You will grow significantly stronger fighting Mihawk and never come close to surpassing him than fighting animals that you end up befriending as soon as you can punch strong enough...

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Mihawk>Wild animals. You will grow significantly stronger fighting Mihawk and never come close to surpassing him than fighting animals that you end up befriending as soon as you can punch strong enough...

agree with this.

I always think luffy should just spar with rayleigh rather than fighting animals. It will give luffy more experience to fight top-tier haki user and opportunity to thrive his haki

 

[Sachsenhesse]

agree with this.

I always think luffy should just spar with rayleigh rather than fighting animals. It will give luffy more experience to fight top-tier haki user and opportunity to thrive his haki

Thats not how hakitraining works according to rayleigh. Your hakiimproves in serious battles, not trainingspars. His training on the island was there for Luffys mastery of the various hakicolors(which he did) and for increasing his basestats spoken in roleplayterms. Since all his gears work kinda like a percentageboost to special stats.

Zoros training we dont really know about YET. We know that he mastered already the swordmanhaki but nothing more else instead of a little CoO. Dont get me wrong, that simply means in terms of CoA he was above Luffy past timeskip, but below in every aspect of haki elsewhere. So we will see what real fights can show us from Zoro.

 

[nik87]

Thats not how hakitraining works according to rayleigh. Your hakiimproves in serious battles, not trainingspars. His training on the island was there for Luffys mastery of the various hakicolors(which he did) and for increasing his basestats spoken in roleplayterms. Since all his gears work kinda like a percentageboost to special stats.

Zoros training we dont really know about YET. We know that he mastered already the swordmanhaki but nothing more else instead of a little CoO. Dont get me wrong, that simply means in terms of CoA he was above Luffy past timeskip, but below in every aspect of haki elsewhere. So we will see what real fights can show us from Zoro.

Rayleigh can give Luffy way worse beating than Katakuri did without trying to kill him. Result of fighting Rayleigh would be far better than result of fighting animals.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Rayleigh can give Luffy way worse beating than Katakuri did without trying to kill him. Result of fighting Rayleigh would be far better than result of fighting animals.

You dont get the point. Ray wouldnt fight Luffy seriously, Luffy would still know that this man, dont want him to die. Animals in the wild dont care really about you. Sure Ray is way stronger in general, but for improving haki... nope, it wouldnt be a fight to the dead or with some things on the line. It wouldnt help him at all.

 

[nik87]

You dont get the point. Ray wouldnt fight Luffy seriously, Luffy would still know that this man, dont want him to die. Animals in the wild dont care really about you. Sure Ray is way stronger in general, but for improving haki... nope, it wouldnt be a fight to the dead or with some things on the line. It wouldnt help him at all.

Unless Luffy enjoys the beating and being used as a cloth to wipe the floor with he would have to learn and improve.
You will improve regardless if the opponent wants to kill you or not because you are experiencing first hand what a top tier can do to you.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

You dont get the point. Ray wouldnt fight Luffy seriously, Luffy would still know that this man, dont want him to die. Animals in the wild dont care really about you. Sure Ray is way stronger in general, but for improving haki... nope, it wouldnt be a fight to the dead or with some things on the line. It wouldnt help him at all.

Luffy learnt basic of observation haki without animals but from being attacked by rayleigh though
So animals are not needed
Zoro also knew that mihawk won't kill him but he still learnt haki

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Unless Luffy enjoys the beating and being used as a cloth to wipe the floor with he would have to learn and improve.
You will improve regardless if the opponent wants to kill you or not because you are experiencing first hand what a top tier can do to you.

Yup this is what I meant. Rayleigh could even just a wooden stick coated with with CoA to beat luffy AKA kaido style
Unless luffy wanted to be knocked down everyday, he needed to push his haki more everyday