Discussion Zoro Discussion Thread

[goldb]

Back to Zoro please, you're beginning to stray.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Zoro also knew that mihawk won't kill him but he still learnt haki

Possible explanation:

M: You dont make an progress.
Z: How could I? You dont fight me with an killing intent."
M: Is that so?
*sends a slash and injures Zoro eye*
M: Lets change it.

Aside from that. Learning how to control haki, is different then improving it.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Don't let fanatics try to turn this into Mihawk v Wild Animals means that Zoro > Luffy. It's honestly pathetic.

For starters, 18 months is a long time and we don't have 18 months of flashbacks for Neither Luffy or Zoro. We dont know if Luffy ONLY fought animals for that time or if Zoro only fought Mihawk during that time.

While better trainers yield better results, one would have to prove that Mihawk is a better trainer than Rayliegh (which cannot be proven). If Rayliegh felt Luffy fighting animals capable of withstanding G4 was good enough training to prepare Luffy for the NW then who are we to question it.

Where as the only thing we got from Mihawk and Zoro is that Zoro couldn't drink until he mastered Haki.... we have 0 idea at what point in the training Zoro actually was able to master haki... it could have been the next day or a year later. There is 0 evidence that tells us Zoro got more put of the 2 year training than Luffy... 0

Factor in growth rates.... Not a single person could say Zoro's growth > Luffy's growth. Far too much evidence to the contrary.

Its absolute bullshit to use Mihawk > Wild Animals as a ( piss poor arguement for Zoro > Luffy

 

[King Moe]

Zoro vs Kanjiro could happen more now Kanjiro said he wants to get Hiyori too. This just fuels more Zoro vs Orochi us a set fight now.

 

[M3J]

If Mihawk went all out, and Zoro was able to match Mihawk at his best, then that probably indicates they would share the title, but Zoro isn't at that level yet, hopefully.

 

[nik87]

If Mihawk went all out, and Zoro was able to match Mihawk at his best, then that probably indicates they would share the title, but Zoro isn't at that level yet, hopefully.

Of course he is not and of course Zoro was never able to match Mihawk, that is their end-game scenario.

 

[jaymizzo]

Of course he is not and of course Zoro was never able to match Mihawk, that is their end-game scenario.

Do you know the difference between, fighting, skirmish and training/sparring?

 

[M3J]

Of course he is not and of course Zoro was never able to match Mihawk, that is their end-game scenario.

Hence "if." It's an example though, but Mihawk wouldn't go all out, nor would he teach Zoro his style of swordsmanship, that's up to Zoro to improve. I think all Mihawk did was teach Zoro the basics and what could be taught by most people or swordsman regardless of how they fight, and afterwards he let him train in his own way.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

While better trainers yield better results, one would have to prove that Mihawk is a better trainer than Rayliegh (which cannot be proven).

What's the proof that rayleigh is a better teacher then?

 

[nik87]

Hence "if." It's an example though, but Mihawk wouldn't go all out, nor would he teach Zoro his style of swordsmanship, that's up to Zoro to improve. I think all Mihawk did was teach Zoro the basics and what could be taught by most people or swordsman regardless of how they fight, and afterwards he let him train in his own way.

Fighting against the best for two years is the best training Zoro could have asked for.
If Haki basics was all Mihawk taught Zoro, there was no need to send him to Mihawk's island in the first place.

 

[Pirate Queen]

What's the proof that rayleigh is a better teacher then?

I never claimed he was. If I, or anyone does, it is baseless.

My point that you can't claim anyone is a better trainer than another trainer without knowing the full specifics of said training and how well the trainee grows from such training. And your using that to claim 1 character is stronger than another it is an extremely poor aregument.

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Hence "if." It's an example though, but Mihawk wouldn't go all out, nor would he teach Zoro his style of swordsmanship, that's up to Zoro to improve. I think all Mihawk did was teach Zoro the basics and what could be taught by most people or swordsman regardless of how they fight, and afterwards he let him train in his own way.

Right, Zoro already has an advantage over every other swordsman aiming to be WSS because he was trained by the WSS.(that's if anyother person even cares about the title. No one seems to.) There is no proof he learned anything other than haki basics. After all, that's litterally all he's show he's learned from Mihawk.

 

[King Moe]

If Mihawk went all out, and Zoro was able to match Mihawk at his best, then that probably indicates they would share the title, but Zoro isn't at that level yet, hopefully.

After his 4 fights in Wano, nah he isn't Mihawk lvl, he barely above YV from the looks of it especially how the arc hype tool him. Don't think Zoro be his level even after this arc. Might take few more.

 

[M3J]

Fighting against the best for two years is the best training Zoro could have asked for.
If Haki basics was all Mihawk taught Zoro, there was no need to send him to Mihawk's island in the first place.

yes there was as Mihawk is the greatest swordsman who likely knows the most about fighting with swords, like imbuing haki into air sword slashes, black blades, and etc.

 

[Fox666]

Fighting against the best for two years is the best training Zoro could have asked for.
If Haki basics was all Mihawk taught Zoro, there was no need to send him to Mihawk's island in the first place.

Rayleight only taught Luffy the basics too

Yet you see how useful someone of Rayleigh's caliber was to Luffy's training

Maybe Luffy and Zoro wouldn't even have mastered Haki in just 2 years.

 

[nik87]

Rayleight only taught Luffy the basics too

Yet you see how useful someone of Rayleigh's caliber was to Luffy's training

Maybe Luffy and Zoro wouldn't even have mastered Haki in just 2 years.

Sanji did with frickin Ivankov... You dont need legends to teach you the haki basics... Rayleigh isnt the best rubberman, Mihawk is the best swordsman. Luffy had to develop Rubberman on his own. We have yet to see the results that Zoro gained.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Don't know if this is true, but it seemed like someone counted the appearance of characters in wano
>1. Luffy (758)
>2. Oden (402)
>3. Zoro (386)
>4. Kin'emon (366)
>5. Kiku (299)
>6. Kawamatsu (252)
>7. Hiyori (238)
>8. Sanji (202)
>9. Orochi (200)
>10. Hyogoro (190)
>11. Tama (186)
>12. Kaido (173)
>13. Raizo (171)
>14. Denjiro (167)
>15. Kanjuro (168)
>16. Momo (166)
>17. Ashura (165)
>18. Law (159)
>19. Nami (155)
>20. Inu (150)

Luffy is the MC while oden is the reason behind this arc.....and zoro was the third highest!
Wano is for zoro hype

 

[Brandish μ]

I firmly believe Mihawk trained Zoro primarily involved haki and how to use it with swords. The flashbacks suggest this. I'm not sure 3 sword style is something Mihawk would help with.

Zoro needs high quality/risk fights now to get the experience you cannot with training. Luffy is far enough above Zoro now PL wise so there's no more excuses.

Don't know if this is true, but it seemed like someone counted the appearance of characters in wano
>1. Luffy (758)
>2. Oden (402)
>3. Zoro (386)
>4. Kin'emon (366)
>5. Kiku (299)
>6. Kawamatsu (252)
>7. Hiyori (238)
>8. Sanji (202)
>9. Orochi (200)
>10. Hyogoro (190)
>11. Tama (186)
>12. Kaido (173)
>13. Raizo (171)
>14. Denjiro (167)
>15. Kanjuro (168)
>16. Momo (166)
>17. Ashura (165)
>18. Law (159)
>19. Nami (155)
>20. Inu (150)

Luffy is the MC while oden is the reason behind this arc.....and zoro was the third highest!
Wano is for zoro hype

That list tells me how little we see of Robin...

 

[nik87]

Luffy is far enough above Zoro now PL wise

Why? Would you say that he is far enough above Mihawk and Shanks too?

 

[Brandish μ]

Why? Would you say that he is far enough above Mihawk and Shanks too?

Luffy will surpass Shanks and Mihawk, Zoro will reach that level.

 

[nik87]

Luffy will surpass Shanks and Mihawk, Zoro will reach that level.

What is is that makes Luffy above Zoro but not above Mihawk/Shanks right now?
What is difference between Zoro and Mihawk/Shanks right now?