Discussion Zoro Discussion Thread

[Brandish μ]

What is is that makes Luffy above Zoro but not above Mihawk/Shanks right now?
What is difference between Zoro and Mihawk/Shanks right now?

Luffy can't beat Kaido until the end of the arc - and it might be inconclusive to say he outright beats Kaido even after the L. So Luffy is approaching Shanks but needs the Kaido fight to rival Shanks in power.

Zoro also needs to level up thru fighting. He has to beat a YC first. To beat Mihawk all 3 swords need to be black and Zoro's haki has to be at least as strong. Might take a few more arcs to get there.

 

[nik87]

Luffy can't beat Kaido until the end of the arc - and it might be inconclusive to say he outright beats Kaido even after the L. So Luffy is approaching Shanks but needs the Kaido fight to rival Shanks in power.
Zoro also needs to level up thru fighting. He has to beat a YC first. To beat Mihawk all 3 swords need to be black and Zoro's haki has to be at least as strong. Might take a few more arcs to get there.

I hope you dont mind me throwing these questions at you but I am doing it with one purpose - all that Zoro lacks is proof of his strength. That is it.
He has everything else, only the proof of his strength is what's lacking. Strength, Haki, level of swordsmanship, he has it all.
Luffy has hit his limits, opponents have stomped him, proven his combat style to be ineffective against theirs.
Zoro has not hit limits, no opponent has stomped him, his combat style is not ineffective against basically anyone, Buggy-senchou aside.

 

[Brandish μ]

I hope you dont mind me throwing these questions at you but I am doing it with one purpose - all that Zoro lacks is proof of his strength. That is it.
He has everything else, only the proof of his strength is what's lacking. Strength, Haki, level of swordsmanship, he has it all.
Luffy has hit his limits, opponents have stomped him, proven his combat style to be ineffective against theirs.
Zoro has not hit limits, no opponent has stomped him, his combat style is not ineffective against basically anyone, Buggy-senchou aside.

It's fine.

Well, from the other angle he hasn't proved anything significant either. So I side with portrayal and how his PL makes sense - due to the absence of feats.

Luffy hits limits a bit, and when he does he increases them, which is better than Zoro's situation.

 

[nik87]

It's fine.
Well, from the other angle he hasn't proved anything significant either. So I side with portrayal and how his PL makes sense - due to the absence of feats.
Luffy hits limits a bit, and when he does he increases them, which is better than Zoro's situation.

Zoro has shown feats if you look out for them.
He has tanked a clean hit from Pica's golem, no damage whatsoever.
He clashed equally with Fujitora two times. He has pushed him back with nameless slash while being crush by his gravity. Better feat vs gravity than Luffy/Law.
He can release enough haki to split mountains. He has shown barrier haki back in Fishman Island. He was portrayed as only capable of wielding Enma aside from Oden in Wano which has decently powerful characters like Ashura Doji and Denjiro and one of them clashed equally with Jack and Duke Dogstorm.

He had no need to use his strongest ace from before TS that was shown at the same time as G2/G3 and yet he has shown higher destructive capabilities.
He ridiculed a member of Supernovas by making him unable to pull his weapon out just by flexing his muscles... Took 2 lives from Hawkins while retreating...
Zoro is very powerful, there is no doubt about it, always has been. Oda needs to come up with some handicaps just so Zoro doesnt stomp his opponents the moment he sees them... The usual, get him injured and take a sword away always works or pair him against an opponent that can neutralize slashes - Pica.

 

[King Moe]

Sanji did with frickin Ivankov... You dont need legends to teach you the haki basics... Rayleigh isnt the best rubberman, Mihawk is the best swordsman. Luffy had to develop Rubberman on his own. We have yet to see the results that Zoro gained.

Ivankov is a Legend. Idk what you mean, but his portrayal and hype giving respect being strongest Commander after Sabo and Dragon and rule of Impel Down Prisoners as well his own island to rule with. He is quite strong opponent to not be underestimated.

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Don't know if this is true, but it seemed like someone counted the appearance of characters in wano
>1. Luffy (758)
>2. Oden (402)
>3. Zoro (386)
>4. Kin'emon (366)
>5. Kiku (299)
>6. Kawamatsu (252)
>7. Hiyori (238)
>8. Sanji (202)
>9. Orochi (200)
>10. Hyogoro (190)
>11. Tama (186)
>12. Kaido (173)
>13. Raizo (171)
>14. Denjiro (167)
>15. Kanjuro (168)
>16. Momo (166)
>17. Ashura (165)
>18. Law (159)
>19. Nami (155)
>20. Inu (150)

Luffy is the MC while oden is the reason behind this arc.....and zoro was the third highest!
Wano is for zoro hype

Doubt this list is true and nah it doesn't. After latest chapter. Zoro isn't and never was focal point of this arc. It's everybody's arc, not his.

 

[nik87]

Ivankov is a Legend. Idk what you mean, but his portrayal and hype giving respect being strongest Commander after Sabo and Dragon and rule of Impel Down Prisoners as well his own island to rule with. He is quite strong opponent to not be underestimated.

If Dragon was the one who trained Sanjino you could have an argument but it is fitting that 3rd strongest trains the 3rd strongest.

 

[King Moe]

If Dragon was the one who trained Sanjino you could have an argument but it is fitting that 3rd strongest trains the 3rd strongest.

Why you brining Mihawk? I mean he couldn't take even Warlord Crocodile, but Ivankov beat Kuma's ass in same arc. Just saying .

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Why you brining Mihawk? I mean he couldn't take even Warlord Crocodile, but Ivankov beat Kuma's ass in same arc. Just saying .

Kuma still stood well at end of the war. You lied about ivankov beating him.
Ivankov is not even the second strongest, that's Sabo.
Mihawk could spar with a yonko like shanks and yet he is also the strongesr swordsman, not shanks. Enough said.

 

[thedude]

Kuma still stood well at end of the war. You lied about ivankov beating him.
Ivankov is not even the second strongest, that's Sabo.
Mihawk could spar with a yonko like shanks and yet he is also the strongesr swordsman, not shanks. Enough said.

Mihawk never sparred with a Yonko. Shanks became a Yonko 6 years later and we don't know his strength at that time. Stronger than before for sure. One of them needs to "test" his strength against Whitebeard from 200 yards away, the other casually walks on to his boat and has no fear clashing with him head on. Enough said.

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What is is that makes Luffy above Zoro but not above Mihawk/Shanks right now?
What is difference between Zoro and Mihawk/Shanks right now?

...what puts Zoro on Mihawk's level, let alone the superior Shanks??

 

[HereNThere]

Mihawk stopped chasing Shanks after the latter lost his arm. Years after that, Shanks became a Yonkou while Mihawk became the WSS. Their actual rivalry was never settled, so there is no real proof leaning towards Mihawk being stronger or a superior swordsman than Shanks. We just know that, at one point, they were comparable and still potentially are.

But this is Zoro's thread, so that's neither here nor there.

Zoro's aiming to be the WSS. Per Mihawk's own words, aiming to be the Pirate King is a more arduous goal than surpassing him. If that means certain individuals are stronger than Mihawk, it still doesn't take away the fact that he's still a nigh impossible hurdle, one of the strongest individuals in the world, and overcoming him means Zoro's at the peak with the other big kids.

Zoro doesn't have to be stronger than Luffy as he's still going to be a top dawg in the world.

 

[nik87]

...what puts Zoro on Mihawk's level, let alone the superior Shanks??

When you determine what is Shanks level then we can go up one step and define Mihawk level.
What do Mihawk and Shanks have that Zoro doesnt?

 

[Sachsenhesse]

What do Mihawk and Shanks have that Zoro doesnt?

Two eyes.

 

[nik87]

Two eyes.

Good one!

 

[M3J]

When you determine what is Shanks level then we can go up one step and define Mihawk level.
What do Mihawk and Shanks have that Zoro doesnt?

Titles that let people know they're top tier. An Emperor and World's Greatest Swordsman. Zoro's at best known as part of the Supernova group.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Titles that let people know they're top tier. An Emperor and World's Greatest Swordsman. Zoro's at best known as part of the Supernova group.

Imagine needing to be told this before you realize lol

 

[M3J]

I mean, Zoro's had plenty of time to make a name for himself, and yet he's nowhere near Mihawk or Shanks' level, and most of his fame comes from Luffy being a crazy fucker.

 

[nik87]

I mean post TS Zoro... What does he lack to be like Mihawk/Shanks?

 

[M3J]

My answer still remains the same. And actual proof that he can be compared to them, for which he has shown none thus far.

 

[nik87]

My answer still remains the same. And actual proof that he can be compared to them, for which he has shown none thus far.

What is a proof? Wss and yonko title? He cant be close to them without titles?
His swordsmanship will never change.
His physical strength seems to be good enough to clash with top tier Fujitora and push him back through gravity.
His CoA seems superb to the point that he might create a kokuto this arc which not even Shanks has.
So, what's actually missing?

 

[Pirate Queen]

Holy shit lol