Discussion Zoro Discussion Thread

[Grandmaster Woro]

Yep, he talking more about Luffy in that talk than wanting to take out someone himself and we see next page and panels Luffy is awake and started attacking, so you can't say that it was about Zoro as it more about he was concern on Luffy being alright to fight with Kaido.

That is an inner dialogue. There was no dialogue bubble used for conversation with others.
Zoro going for kaido whether u like it or not

 

[M3J]

Zoro saying that doesn't mean anything though.

 

[King Moe]

That is an inner dialogue. There was no dialogue bubble used for conversation with others.
Zoro going for kaido whether u like it or not

Nah he isn't. Orochi is only one he stated out he wants the most than Kaido by saying his name first time in the arc.

 

[goldb]

Yep, he talking more about Luffy in that talk than wanting to take out someone himself and we see next page and panels Luffy is awake and started attacking, so you can't say that it was about Zoro as it more about he was concern on Luffy being alright to fight with Kaido.

We is a term to refer to more than one person and as others have pointed, Zoro is here having an inner dialogue( hence no speech bubbles) about the alliance's plans for Kaido as a whole and not just about him and Luffy.

The reason why I'm bringing up this specific panel is in response to your previous posts. It makes it difficult to have an ongoing discussion if one of your main talking points is baseless and incorrect. Your previous posts claim that Zoro is talking to Luffy(who is unconscious until the following page), with now this one finally correcting yourself. Do you the problem?

Anyway yes, Zoro has a bone to pick with Orochi because of what he did to Yasuie but it's not the same as Luffy aiming for Kaido. For one, I don't think Zoro has made reference to Orochi again since one of his talks with Hiyori(I'll need to look this up); by that I just mean that he isn't the main threat, so Zoro would overlook him if he thought there were bigger fish, especially if said fish were swordsmen.

And just because I know you will also mention his name, why do you think Zoro will fight Kanjuro?

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Exactly. Zoro has nothing to do with kanjuro, even sanji will be the one to fight kanjuro before zoro. Kanjuro and orochi are enemies of scabbards.
Zoro will either fight king or kaido

 

[goldb]

Exactly. Zoro has nothing to do with kanjuro, even sanji will be the one to fight kanjuro before zoro. Kanjuro and orochi are enemies of scabbards.
Zoro will either fight king or kaido

That's not the point. Right now, Zoro has as much chance fighting Kanjuro and King. They're both proficient swordsmen it would seem.

The reason I'm asking the question to is understand his reasoning beyond the repeated posts of "Nah Zoro is for Orochi and Kanjuro, bleeding, fainting, etc". In the same way you have your reasons for believing Zoro will fight either King or Kaido.

 

[nik87]

Is that not a pointless discussion? The Strawhats and the alliance are going against Kaido, the "we" doesn't have to be specifically about Zoro or Luffy.

The alliance isnt the ones who are taking the damage, it is Luffy and Zoro. That We is referring to Luffy and Zoro. A toddler can understand that scene...

@King Moe What excuse are you going to use when Oda draws Zoro and Kaido clashing?

 

[M3J]

When Zoro thought about fighting Kaidou, I thought that to meant Kaidou and his crew, not just Kaidou alone.

 

[nik87]

When Zoro thought about fighting Kaidou, I thought that to meant Kaidou and his crew, not just Kaidou alone.

At that point Zoro was already fighting Kaido's crew. He means specifically Kaido himself.

 

[M3J]

Highly doubt it because it's not like they were fighting Kaidou's top fighters, at the very least. It also doesn't mean he'll fight Kaidou even if he wants to.

 

[Pirate Queen]

When Zoro thought about fighting Kaidou, I thought that to meant Kaidou and his crew, not just Kaidou alone.

Your correct. Kaido's crew and Wano's forces are too vast to think they could only focus on Kaido. Zoro clearly meant Kaido + his crew the same way they were taking down Doflamingo which meant Doflamingo and his crew. Same as Crocodile, same as Big Mom. Zoro didnt specifically mean Kaido himself. But Kaido +.

When people address a pirate crew they usually only address the captain as the Captain represents the crew. People know if you take out the Captain the crew is not a challenge from that point. Even with someone as strong as Jinbe as their 2nd strongest member.

 

[nik87]

Even better, Zoro the executioner and the nr1 of the alliance wont avoid the nr1 enemy.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

As nik87 already pointed out, Zoro isn't talking about the crew as a whole, but specifically Kaido.

They are already on the enemy's turf and there are strong people like Apoo and Queen right in front of them. Makes no sense to mean Kaido's crew as they are already there sorta fighting Kaido's underlings.

This is different to what Sanji was saying before fighting Page One. Sanji: we need to reduce their numbers, we must avoid injuries before the main event.

Zoro: we can't afford injuries, we need to be at 100% HP to take down Kaido.

 

[Brandish μ]

I'm coming around to the idea of taking Zoro's words literally, which means he intends to fight Kaido, to stop the reign of terror in Wano (given he thought of Tama, too).

Oda can use that intention two ways to motivate him for battle. Either he does fight Kaido for obvious reasons; or Zoro makes a decision later the arc that goes along the lines of "stopping commanders is essential to getting a chance to take out a Yonko".

I don't think Oda would make Zoro say/think his words about Kaido without meaning. Zoro recognised the strength of a Yonko's underlings. Zoro recognised that you can't beat a Yonko if you're giving up a handicap. So to me, both possibilities can be inferred from his comments in 980.

At the moment, I believe Zoro will fight a commander level opponent.

 

[nik87]

I'm coming around to the idea of taking Zoro's words literally, which means he intends to fight Kaido

The first step is the hardest. Soon, everyone will jump on the Zoro vs Kaido train. I have been waiting at the station for too long.

 

[Brandish μ]

Not gonna lie, I will be a super fangirl if Zoro takes a centre stage position with the supernovas vs Kaido.

 

[aaannnnannan]

As Zoro is rn he doesn't stand a chance against neither King or Kaido , the only option is that he fights them alongside someone else

 

[Joker_Quixote]

Is no one else disappointed with Zoro this arc? Am I seriously the only one? This is adventure in samurai country and he has done nothing. Before he got to Wano didn't he say he would round samurai up? What happened? Literally every supernova he has encountered he left bleeding and worst he fainted due to injuries from one. He couldn't do anything to Orochi cause he was blocked. Seems like running carrying Luffy is his best accomplishment all Wano

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I think King beats him rather easy. FS is overrated on Luffy, it doesnt fit his angry character which results in low up-time.
King's sword is better both offense and defense than Luffy's advanced armament.

King is the only calamity with no feat I mean he kicked a ship and didn't accomplish his goal. Jack has major durability feats and Queen made Big Mom go night night all of that is way better than hey I kicked a ship out the air especially when completely slicing a ship in 2 isn't out of the ordinary now a days seems pretty weak in comparison to what others done

 

[King Moe]

Is no one else disappointed with Zoro this arc? Am I seriously the only one? This is adventure in samurai country and he has done nothing. Before he got to Wano didn't he say he would round samurai up? What happened? Literally every supernova he has encountered he left bleeding and worst he fainted due to injuries from one. He couldn't do anything to Orochi cause he was blocked. Seems like running carrying Luffy is his best accomplishment all Wano

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King is the only calamity with no feat I mean he kicked a ship and didn't accomplish his goal. Jack has major durability feats and Queen made Big Mom go night night all of that is way better than hey I kicked a ship out the air especially when completely slicing a ship in 2 isn't out of the ordinary now a days seems pretty weak in comparison to what others done

Not only one. He been hype tool so bad this arc. Really destroy 'Fans of Zoro' fragile egos especially last chapter with Apoo owning him and running away. If Zoro going face YC lvl threat he needs squad, no solo at all. Delusions of him putting a fight to Kaido when Luffy had trouble is headcannon fantasies that his fanbase can't admit. Zoro vs Orochi and Kanjuro is more been shaping giving the writing.

 

[M3J]

Why do you think our "fragile egos" are destroyed? Zoro retreating is smart because even if they can take on the enemies there, they, as Zoro implied, would not be fresh enough to take on Kaidou, who's one of the strongest fighters alive. I'm glad Zoro chose to do the smart thing and retreat.