Discussion Zoro Discussion Thread

[King Moe]

Kaido and Big Mom are his best choices but it seems like he is only interested in Kaido for now.

Nah, Kanjuro and Orochi, don't overhype the faintable and one who get on his knees easily like last chapter.

 

[nik87]

Nah, Kanjuro and Orochi, don't overhype the faintable and one who get on his knees easily like last chapter.

You are playing in a small league, Zoro plays in the big league.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

LMAO XD! New Fishmen Pirates were instant fodder, don't you dare compare them as credible threats lol. It's not forced as it's the truth. Zoro has no record of facing credible swordsmen in NW and you can't accept that Kanjuro and Orochi are his best choices still.

New fishmen pirates are not yonko-threat but they were strong. We saw hodi while being handcuffed solo stomps a pirate with 70 mill bounty (similar to enies lobby sanji).....even before the steroid power the enies lobby sanji-like will be crushed....new fishmen pirates like hodi and hyozou are strong, it is just that luffy and zoro were even beyond them in terms of power

Zoro will fight king for his swordsman fight, kanjuro is for scabbards

Where Sanji came from? Got get insecurity just because he face King or Queen in his final fight while Zoro gets Kanjuro or Orochi for his. He never lost any fight in Wano, just Zoro have, so stop forcing headcannons around..

Sanji lost to drake. Drake toyed with sanji and sanji could never give wounds. Don't downplay drake feats

 

[goldb]

Yep, I was. Sorry typo on the end as supposed to be question.

'Hiyori doesn't matter to the arc'? That's a bold 'claim' there, Gold. No offense on you, but to say she won't play a role doesn't make sense there and ignoring her being around Zoro and thinking he won't do anything to help her doesn't make sense at all to boot. Why Oda give them panel time with him as same with Yasu if it won't mean nothing to him to do something for them? That's not his style as from what we seen with Luffy and Sanji with ladies, they would fight and make promises to them as well protect them, so don't see where Zoro is opposite to not do that when he already did with Hiyori already few times. Again you can't be for sure as Oda wouldn't waste her on doing nothing entire War and not get involved somehow. Feel her presence will show one way or another.

Are you intentionally misreading my posts? I clearly said "at this point og the arc" and then went to state why she contributed beforehand AND provided you with reference where her own character stated the reason she wouldn't join; she knows her presence would be a distraction to those fighting. So why would she then change her mind and believe she's got a part to play in the battle?

LOL, I really don't know why you keep pushing this Hiyori and Zoro thing, especially when she's not even there.

 

[M3J]

Tell it to them before going for me first though. He can attack from afar, can't he? You saying he shouldn't try to slice him with Enma to create more separation and more chance to escape? We know range of magic sword and power, so it baffles me why he didn't try it in that moment.

Shouldn't be smart for them to just attack them when your in crowd of unknown DF/Smile users then which is fault on both, not just Luffy and Zoro should know better the same. Also nah, Zoro fainted in this arc and Kamazou in his nerf state did it with ease. His durbality and stamina aren't same as before and it shows when Apoo need one non-serious slice and he went on his knees. Zoro looking less difficult and more easy to beat each time he is set up with someone to be honest. Just the truth on situation.

In case you conveniently forgot, I have. You're doing it too. Stop it.

How would that help when they can just jump or something? And if it uses too much of his haki, then it's better for Zoro to just stick to running.

Luffy got mad. He was dumb for reacting like that, but Zoro was smart for choosing to retreat. Zoro got mad too, but he wouldn't have if Luffy didn't say anything.

No, Zoro beat Killer after getting stabbed. Killer used the distraction to his advantage but still got taken down by Zoro. If only you were telling the truth and not being biased, then I'd probably take you a bit more seriously.

 

[King Moe]

You are playing in a small league, Zoro plays in the big league.

Didn't know Kamazou and Gyukimaro are big league given they beat Zoro already and also disrespect Hawkins and Apoo did to him too.

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New fishmen pirates are not yonko-threat but they were strong. We saw hodi while being handcuffed solo stomps a pirate with 70 mill bounty (similar to enies lobby sanji).....even before the steroid power the enies lobby sanji-like will be crushed....new fishmen pirates like hodi and hyozou are strong, it is just that luffy and zoro were even beyond them in terms of power

Zoro will fight king for his swordsman fight, kanjuro is for scabbards


Sanji lost to drake. Drake toyed with sanji and sanji could never give wounds. Don't downplay drake feats

Nah, they were fodder men. They no backing to them as they were curb stomp without even Strawhats using their full power on beating them and jut some moves. They got defeated easily, but they did captured Zoro though, so Idk what point your using Hody since he still got him in the end. Also what this talk about Sanji? They never face each other, but he already beaten opponent stronger than Hody that ofr sure.

Zoro is for Kanjuro and Orochi and that how it is. Sanji defeated PO and fought better with Drake than Zoro with Supernovas. He is handling King or Queen while Zoro get route that was written for him with connection to Kanjuro and Orochi. Dont' downplay these two thinking they aren't worthy for Zoro opponents.

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Are you intentionally misreading my posts? I clearly said "at this point og the arc" and then went to state why she contributed beforehand AND provided you with reference where her own character stated the reason she wouldn't join; she knows her presence would be a distraction to those fighting. So why would she then change her mind and believe she's got a part to play in the battle?

LOL, I really don't know why you keep pushing this Hiyori and Zoro thing, especially when she's not even there.

No, telling you the truth and so you think she won'tbe involve anymore looking at past Princess from different arcs from Vivi, Rebecca, Viola, Pudding, etc. you think Hiyori is fully done with her role? Really? Gold, come on now we both know Oda won't end it like that with her and wouldn't put bond between her and Zoro if it wasn't anything behind it. We don't know for sure her role is over and doubt it is if Kanjuro is actively looking for her. Just telling you truth of what I saw in manga and how it going. Zoro has possibility to get involve and we shouldn't ignore that at all.

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In case you conveniently forgot, I have. You're doing it too. Stop it.

How would that help when they can just jump or something? And if it uses too much of his haki, then it's better for Zoro to just stick to running.

Luffy got mad. He was dumb for reacting like that, but Zoro was smart for choosing to retreat. Zoro got mad too, but he wouldn't have if Luffy didn't say anything.

No, Zoro beat Killer after getting stabbed. Killer used the distraction to his advantage but still got taken down by Zoro. If only you were telling the truth and not being biased, then I'd probably take you a bit more seriously.

When? I never seen you stopping them on this thread when I speaking to them.

Not saying he use all his power, but just use amount to create a diversion and than run away as at least your contributing on doing defensive attack before going.

Zoro should be smart to stop him beforehand since he was doing that early wanting to stop him, but didn't. Just saying it contradicts the person who say 'Be Serious! It's the NW now!' when he doing opposite of what he said on trying to be more mature.

Nah, they fainted together. You don't win if you fainted ins seconds of a fight under a minute like that. Zoro got tied with him and no shame in that, but it really dehype of everything since then. This is truth and your fault on thinking it's biased as if I wanted too, I would go rant mode on Zoro, but I still like him as a character, but I won't BS when he took his faults and even admitted after the fight like Kamazou.

 

[nik87]

Didn't know Kamazou and Gyukimaro are big league given they beat Zoro already and also disrespect Hawkins and Apoo did to him too.

Are they going to help you when Zoro kills Kaido?

 

[King Moe]

Are they going to help you when Zoro kills Kaido?

Is that all you have to say after Zoro got fodderize by Apoo this chapter who you quote wouldn't hurt him? Again denying your faults is bad for your as debater.

 

[nik87]

Is that all you have to say after Zoro got fodderize by Apoo this chapter who you quote wouldn't hurt him? Again denying your faults is bad for your as debater.

Is Apoo going to help you when Zoro kills Kaido?

 

[goldb]

No, telling you the truth and so you think she won'tbe involve anymore looking at past Princess from different arcs from Vivi, Rebecca, Viola, Pudding, etc. you think Hiyori is fully done with her role? Really? Gold, come on now we both know Oda won't end it like that with her and wouldn't put bond between her and Zoro if it wasn't anything behind it. We don't know for sure her role is over and doubt it is if Kanjuro is actively looking for her. Just telling you truth of what I saw in manga and how it going. Zoro has possibility to get involve and we shouldn't ignore that at all.

Hiyori is not on Onigashima, therefore she can't be involved or her presence( or bond with Zoro as you put it) be used as stake in a battle between Zoro, Orochi, Kanjuro or even the rest of the Scabbards, because as she stated she doesn't want to be a distraction.
Could Oda write it so that Hiyori ends up on Onigashima? sure; Orochi could've sent someone to find her for all we know. In my opinion though, there's nothing she'd be able to do to help anyone with her being there.
Once the battle is over and they've returned to mainland Wano, then of course her story continues, in helping Wano citizens get back on their feet along with the Scabbards and Momo.

Zoro's possibility to get involved against Orochi/Kanjuro isn't the point I'm debating, I answered that several posts. We're debating your instances on Hiyori's bond with Zoro and how that affects him.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

I feel like it will be more fitting for zoro to fight king though.
Zoro said he wanted to cut fire, king is a man with literally fire on him.

Is that all you have to say after Zoro got fodderize by Apoo this chapter who you quote wouldn't hurt him? Again denying your faults is bad for your as debater.

How does that mean fodderized? Even luffy with advanced CoO and supposed advanced CoA was knocked out temporarily. But luffy will still go after kaido, just like zoro.

 

[King Moe]

Is Apoo going to help you when Zoro kills Kaido?

Only in your headcannons, but do tell me how you were wrong from Zoro not losing his swords, being defeated, getting hurt, and needs to train himself (Though doesn't seem he did much if Apoo go the better of him).

 

[nik87]

Only in your headcannons, but do tell me how you were wrong from Zoro not losing his swords, being defeated, getting hurt, and needs to train himself (Though doesn't seem he did much if Apoo go the better of him).

Is Zoro's connection to Kaido upsetting you?

 

[King Moe]

I feel like it will be more fitting for zoro to fight king though.
Zoro said he wanted to cut fire, king is a man with literally fire on him.

How does that mean fodderized? Even luffy with advanced CoO and supposed advanced CoA was knocked out temporarily. But luffy will still go after kaido, just like zoro.

Zoro said many things, but doesn't mean they be actual true for all of them and could get it from Kanjuro or learn in fight with Kinemon against him and Orochi. That is possible to learn it than getting one-shot by Any All-Stars.

Luffy never used COO or COA. Where you looking? Zoro though was trying to understand his pattern, but failed to do that while Luffy need to be focus as well to see FS and use Adv. COA. Not same situation between them both especially Luffy got stronger attack than Zoro did, but still Zoro went onto his knees from the impact of it.

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Is Zoro's connection to Kaido upsetting you?

Is having faults on your headcannon getting to you? Can we go back on subject on poor performance Zoro have in Wano now?

 

[nik87]

Is having faults on your headcannon getting to you? Can we go back on subject on poor performance Zoro have in Wano now?

How will you deal with Zoro killing Kaido? Will you read the manga with eyes closed?

 

[King Moe]

Hiyori is not on Onigashima, therefore she can't be involved or her presence( or bond with Zoro as you put it) be used as stake in a battle between Zoro, Orochi, Kanjuro or even the rest of the Scabbards, because as she stated she doesn't want to be a distraction.
Could Oda write it so that Hiyori ends up on Onigashima? sure; Orochi could've sent someone to find her for all we know. In my opinion though, there's nothing she'd be able to do to help anyone with her being there.
Once the battle is over and they've returned to mainland Wano, then of course her story continues, in helping Wano citizens get back on their feet along with the Scabbards and Momo.

Zoro's possibility to get involved against Orochi/Kanjuro isn't the point I'm debating, I answered that several posts. We're debating your instances on Hiyori's bond with Zoro and how that affects him.

We don't know for sure which is why I wouldn't doubt Oda made that scene of her wishing with Zoro to get Orochi too would be waste factor that Zoro does nothing to be involved as Oda doesn't waste a foreshadowing like that especially when he was on his own to bond with Yasu and Hiyori, so just saying there are possibility knowing how Oda like to build and foreshadow things. There is way Hiyori could get involve and just saying that we shouldn't 'Nah it will never happen at all' when evidence shows heavily hinting it can happen.

It does affect him as I been saying that and telling you in several posts. He does have desire to go after Orochi after what happen to Yasu and now also hearing Hiyroi wishing to get Orochi could strive him more, so Zoro does take his bonding with others seriously like every Strawhats even they met with little time between them. Not denying your points if she there or not, but just saying Oda has ways to bring others in when we least aspect it or twists to the story for it. Just don't underestimate it.

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How will you deal with Zoro killing Kaido? Will you read the manga with eyes closed?

Seems like your only doing that since your closing your eyes to canon of Zoro losing and getting hurt.

 

[goldb]

We don't know for sure which is why I wouldn't doubt Oda made that scene of her wishing with Zoro to get Orochi too would be waste factor that Zoro does nothing to be involved as Oda doesn't waste a foreshadowing like that especially when he was on his own to bond with Yasu and Hiyori, so just saying there are possibility knowing how Oda like to build and foreshadow things. There is way Hiyori could get involve and just saying that we shouldn't 'Nah it will never happen at all' when evidence shows heavily hinting it can happen.

There's nothing that you've written here that disproves my previous post.

It does affect him as I been saying that and telling you in several posts. He does have desire to go after Orochi after what happen to Yasu and now also hearing Hiyroi wishing to get Orochi could strive him more, so Zoro does take his bonding with others seriously like every Strawhats even they met with little time between them.

Zoro is already aware of the history of her family and what Orochi has done to the people of Wano and Yasui, so again, what will her presence do to improve that? does he need cheering from the sidelines? a physical reminder? Because I want to know what difference you think it makes to Zoro wanting to fight Orochi whether Hiyori is there or not.

Because I've given my opinion on her presence there, I've elaborated on how it could work should Oda choose to have written in this portion of the arc and how the possibility of Zoro fighting Orochi and Kanjuro could work in respect with the Scabbards and their need for vegeance against these Kurozumi.

Not denying your points if she there or not, but just saying Oda has ways to bring others in when we least aspect it or twists to the story for it. Just don't underestimate it.

You cannot imagine the irony of you writing this if you tried.

 

[M3J]

When? I never seen you stopping them on this thread when I speaking to them.

Not saying he use all his power, but just use amount to create a diversion and than run away as at least your contributing on doing defensive attack before going.

Zoro should be smart to stop him beforehand since he was doing that early wanting to stop him, but didn't. Just saying it contradicts the person who say 'Be Serious! It's the NW now!' when he doing opposite of what he said on trying to be more mature.

Nah, they fainted together. You don't win if you fainted ins seconds of a fight under a minute like that. Zoro got tied with him and no shame in that, but it really dehype of everything since then. This is truth and your fault on thinking it's biased as if I wanted too, I would go rant mode on Zoro, but I still like him as a character, but I won't BS when he took his faults and even admitted after the fight like Kamazou.

You've literally liked my posts whenever I've done that, at least in general if not in this thread (I've been trying to avoid threads like this because of you, nik, and others).

How would that help if he gives enemies a chance to catch up by stopping? How does it contradict him when he's serious enough to run away instead of trying to fight enemies, especially one he doesn't know?

Zoro won because he didn't faint before, he fainted after Killer went down. Prove me wrong. And yes, it is biased because I've seen you post before. I don't know if you actually like him but are trolling for vengeance against Sanji critics, but you rarely ever make sense when it comes to Zoro. If nothing else, that's one thing you, nik, and shasha have in common.

 

[King Moe]

There's nothing that you've written here that disproves my previous post.



Zoro is already aware of the history of her family and what Orochi has done to the people of Wano and Yasui, so again, what will her presence do to improve that? does he need cheering from the sidelines? a physical reminder? Because I want to know what difference you think it makes to Zoro wanting to fight Orochi whether Hiyori is there or not.

Because I've given my opinion on her presence there, I've elaborated on how it could work should Oda choose to have written in this portion of the arc and how the possibility of Zoro fighting Orochi and Kanjuro could work in respect with the Scabbards and their need for vegeance against these Kurozumi.



You cannot imagine the irony of you writing this if you tried.

Nothing you stated as disproven my though as we both talking about our opinions which can go either way depending how war side goes, but just saying not to disregard something thinking it won't come up when we know Oda like foreshadowing stuff to add conflict later.

For him ot save her and increase bond more. You know how Princess roles in certain arcs are like, right? They stay involved to start and to the end. We have not seen last of Hiyori at all is what I am saying. She will do something, but Idk what, but we shouldn'r rule her out that she won't appear again and her role is finished which we do don't.

I already stated my views on possibilities she could be in and not be in the war side too, so I am not doubting your opinion, but you also got to respect my opinion on possibility if your a long-time OP fan you got expect this from Oda with characters like hers.

Idk what your misunderstanding as I been telling you answers, not repeating myself, but to each their own if we can't agree on this.

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You've literally liked my posts whenever I've done that, at least in general if not in this thread (I've been trying to avoid threads like this because of you, nik, and others).

How would that help if he gives enemies a chance to catch up by stopping? How does it contradict him when he's serious enough to run away instead of trying to fight enemies, especially one he doesn't know?

Zoro won because he didn't faint before, he fainted after Killer went down. Prove me wrong. And yes, it is biased because I've seen you post before. I don't know if you actually like him but are trolling for vengeance against Sanji critics, but you rarely ever make sense when it comes to Zoro. If nothing else, that's one thing you, nik, and shasha have in common.

Talking about this thread here, not past posts or on other threads.

You can attack while running, so it doesn't really stop you. We seen characters fight while they run before as Enies Lobby is example of that when they invade it to other areas. Why would they stop and attack when they can run while attacking to prevent chase to them and make way on escaping? It contradicts he is idiot for not stopping Luffy and join in fighting the enemies before getting hurt. You should prevented it early than do it and then prevent it. That doesn't make sense there.

Zoro fainted in seconds afterwards. He tied with him. No win, just a lost or tie. Nah, it's not biased, it's being actually real to the truth instead making headcannons like Zoro has a chance to beat Kaido himself. Sorry if I am not a 'Yes-Man', but I like telling what is actual situation than having agenda behind it. Can't help if the truth hurts when latest chapter proves Zoro been hype tool a lot by his enemies than anyone else. That's not lying or being biased, that's the reality.

Nah, I actually put them in reasonable level, not saying headcannon stuff like Zoro is stronger than Luffy or is unstoppable he beat anyone. So you got get it right between trolling and bringing in real facts unless you believe Zoro everything like Nik and Shasha said.

 

[ShadowHeart]

Luffy looked far worse than Zoro last chapter yet he's gonna beat Kaido in less than 100 chapters. Zoro didn't even look that bad got caught by surprise by a supernova lvl pirate.