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Is It a Requirement for Zoro to have Conqueror's Haki?


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zoro vs king/kaido
sanji vs page one/queen
Macro is here. What King want with Zoro? He can't fly nor want someone running from Apoo of all people.

Zoro vs Orochi and Kanjuro. He got be there to save the gal he bond with as well avenge Yasu.

Sanji doesn't have anything to do here. Why bring him up? He going face his own stronger enemies, but not PO though.
 

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Marco is a more than obvious opponent for King.

Sanji may get a rematch against Page One. He got a sister, and we know how Sanji acts towards women. But he could also fight Oven again. His invisibility seems like a good counter against Oven's "Amaterasu".
 

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Marco is a more than obvious opponent for King.

Sanji may get a rematch against Page One. He got a sister, and we know how Sanji acts towards women. But he could also fight Oven again. His invisibility seems like a good counter against Oven's "Amaterasu".
Got say not really. Sanji defeated PO and prove dominance on Oven. Oda doesn't give rematches of fights like that when it been evidence of defeat or dominance. Unless you think Luffy vs Holdem or Zoro vs Batman will occur, highly doubt Sanji will face them again and go after bigger threats which could Queen or King (If tag fight with Macro).
 

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Got say not really. Sanji defeated PO and prove dominance on Oven. Oda doesn't give rematches of fights like that when it been evidence of defeat or dominance. Unless you think Luffy vs Holdem or Zoro vs Batman will occur, highly doubt Sanji will face them again and go after bigger threats which could Queen or King (If tag fight with Macro).
Buggy, Mr. 5, Miss Valentine, Bellamy...
 

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Buggy, Mr. 5, Miss Valentine, Bellamy...
Just few compare to those they had fights with and never fought again. though. Just saying it's more one-time fight than over again. Again we could say same for others who the others then if you want put rematch fights. It's not always guaranteed.
 

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Marco is a more than obvious opponent for King.

Sanji may get a rematch against Page One. He got a sister, and we know how Sanji acts towards women. But he could also fight Oven again. His invisibility seems like a good counter against Oven's "Amaterasu".
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no evidence Oven came to Wano. With his fierce personality he would have tried something against King or Marco.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no evidence Oven came to Wano. With his fierce personality he would have tried something against King or Marco.
It seems nobody in the Big Mom Pirates could do anything to prevent King or Marco from knocking the ship. They were not expecting it.

Since Perosperos and Daifuku came in, I don't see why Oven wouldn't too.
 

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All I am saying, Zoro is less likely to face him given circumstances and how he got easily damage by Apoo, make it unlikely he can take on King. Macro looks to be one to face him himself and King would take priority in him. Only person who could join in the fight is Sanji since he can fly up there, but Zoro seems like he be fit to more grounded opponents. Which can still be leading to Kanjuro, Orochi, or T6H as his final fight more how it looks.
 

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All I am saying, Zoro is less likely to face him given circumstances and how he got easily damage by Apoo, make it unlikely he can take on King. Macro looks to be one to face him himself and King would take priority in him. Only person who could join in the fight is Sanji since he can fly up there, but Zoro seems like he be fit to more grounded opponents. Which can still be leading to Kanjuro, Orochi, or T6H as his final fight more how it looks.
Luffy got damaged as well though, and we know Luffy is taking on Kaido. So that point is moot, again.

Zoro has difficulty against aerial or hard to reach opponents, and we know narratives like to show our protags overcome obstacles too, so I don't believe that's a reason we won't see King vs Zoro.

The battles will be chaotic, honestly, anything could happen. I can see him fighting the opponents you've stated, or help fight Kaido. It's looking like the latter atm, but I also believe Zoro's comments about Kaido having strong underlings can be interpreted as Zoro taking on the strongest underling in order for Luffy to take on Kaido - which would leave Zoro fight a commander.

The Superonova stuff is getting highlighted a lot, so again Zoro could be in that group fighting Kaido or Kaido + BM.
 

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Strawhats rarely go into their final arc battles at 100%.

Zoro getting sliced by Apoo isn't going to impede him any when the time for his fight comes. It's actually strange Oda keeps bringing that point up when there have been no real consequences to it so far.
 

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Luffy got damaged as well though, and we know Luffy is taking on Kaido. So that point is moot, again.

Zoro has difficulty against aerial or hard to reach opponents, and we know narratives like to show our protags overcome obstacles too, so I don't believe that's a reason we won't see King vs Zoro.

The battles will be chaotic, honestly, anything could happen. I can see him fighting the opponents you've stated, or help fight Kaido. It's looking like the latter atm, but I also believe Zoro's comments about Kaido having strong underlings can be interpreted as Zoro taking on the strongest underling in order for Luffy to take on Kaido - which would leave Zoro fight a commander.

The Superonova stuff is getting highlighted a lot, so again Zoro could be in that group fighting Kaido or Kaido + BM.
Luffy is MC, he gets beaten and hurt before, but never stop how him eventually face big boss at the end. Zoro is not in same level as him and seeing how he commented and kneel to damage of Apoo. You can't say he will be fine facing King easily or even solo as one strike from King would destroy him and plus narrative hints who King could face, but Zoro isn't one of those that is hinted about to face with. Not saying possibility is out, but looking direction and now Macro is on here, feels less likely King vs Zoro would have a chance as why would he downgrade on not using his DF to fly around to fullest potential and hold back on Zoro? Feel like Sky Battle take place more with certain characters for it.

He could take on Orochi, Kanjuro, or T6H with a sword to gain achievements. Might take on Yamato if he turns out to be stronger, but not necessarily Zoro go after strongest of underling all the time as again like you said with all these chaos, anything can happen, so Zoro could face those who we never though with either.

Idk about that, probably just his captain as Zoro has pride not to help Luffy in his battles, so can't see it especially Luffy stated he wants him for himself, so seems unlikely. We got wait and see on how events are, but just saying keep everything on reasonable since current chapters pushing Zoro on reasonable level after all.
 

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Strawhats rarely go into their final arc battles at 100%.

Zoro getting sliced by Apoo isn't going to impede him any when the time for his fight comes. It's actually strange Oda keeps bringing that point up when there have been no real consequences to it so far.
I think this only applies to Zoro?
 

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Luffy is MC, he gets beaten and hurt before, but never stop how him eventually face big boss at the end. Zoro is not in same level as him and seeing how he commented and kneel to damage of Apoo. You can't say he will be fine facing King easily or even solo as one strike from King would destroy him and plus narrative hints who King could face, but Zoro isn't one of those that is hinted about to face with. Not saying possibility is out, but looking direction and now Macro is on here, feels less likely King vs Zoro would have a chance as why would he downgrade on not using his DF to fly around to fullest potential and hold back on Zoro? Feel like Sky Battle take place more with certain characters for it.
Well Luffy got hit twice, if that satisfies. The point is, that is not an example to discount Zoro from any fight.

We don't know how strong Zoro or King are with any credible feats - we have a portrayal and they're not too far apart. And certainly, in a plot situation, if Zoro has to defeat King, he absolutely will.

Zoro cut a cliff with Enma. I wouldn't be surprised if Enma allows Zoro to cut down aerial enemies. In the event King doesn't have a ranged attack (which I don't the he'd have), he'd then abandon flying and engage Zoro in close quarter combat. Then he could use the sword on his hip. Then Zoro might be able to cut the fire he once spoke of iirc. In this hypothetical scenario, Zoro fighting King is not far-fetched.

but just saying keep everything on reasonable since current chapters pushing Zoro on reasonable level after all.
The recent chapters are tying all the supernova together. Which doesn't really do anything power level wise, just that's the enemy has them on their radar for being a part of the worst generation.
 

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I think this only applies to Zoro?
He tended to get the worst of it, but there are arcs where other members get harmed before their big fight.
 

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I can't really remember, other than Luffy against Croc. Here though, I can't imagine Zoro getting hurt as he's likely going to take on at least one super tough opponent.
 

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Well Luffy got hit twice, if that satisfies. The point is, that is not an example to discount Zoro from any fight.

We don't know how strong Zoro or King are with any credible feats - we have a portrayal and they're not too far apart. And certainly, in a plot situation, if Zoro has to defeat King, he absolutely will.

Zoro cut a cliff with Enma. I wouldn't be surprised if Enma allows Zoro to cut down aerial enemies. In the event King doesn't have a ranged attack (which I don't the he'd have), he'd then abandon flying and engage Zoro in close quarter combat. Then he could use the sword on his hip. Then Zoro might be able to cut the fire he once spoke of iirc. In this hypothetical scenario, Zoro fighting King is not far-fetched.



The recent chapters are tying all the supernova together. Which doesn't really do anything power level wise, just that's the enemy has them on their radar for being a part of the worst generation.
Cutting rock is a boring feat to be fair. It's been done for ages. The rocks get bigger, but they are what they are.

I hope if he fights King it's mostly a sword duel. I miss the epic Zoro sword duels. We don't need another Pica running away for chapter after chapter.
 

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Well Luffy got hit twice, if that satisfies. The point is, that is not an example to discount Zoro from any fight.

We don't know how strong Zoro or King are with any credible feats - we have a portrayal and they're not too far apart. And certainly, in a plot situation, if Zoro has to defeat King, he absolutely will.

Zoro cut a cliff with Enma. I wouldn't be surprised if Enma allows Zoro to cut down aerial enemies. In the event King doesn't have a ranged attack (which I don't the he'd have), he'd then abandon flying and engage Zoro in close quarter combat. Then he could use the sword on his hip. Then Zoro might be able to cut the fire he once spoke of iirc. In this hypothetical scenario, Zoro fighting King is not far-fetched.



The recent chapters are tying all the supernova together. Which doesn't really do anything power level wise, just that's the enemy has them on their radar for being a part of the worst generation.
Luffy and Zoro got different portrayals and obvious Luffy got stronger hits, but we see Zoro get less powerful one compare to Luffy and it was enough to get him on his knees. Though again just saying this won't stop Luffy from facing the final boss in every arc, but can't say same as Zoro as Oda put portrayals of both on different levels.

King being YC lvl is quite strong especially above likes of Apoo who easily injured Zoro like that. His feats will come more, but no doubt Zoro will not take him on solo and less likely to face him if there are more dangerous threats than him like Macro for one. He might not face him which is possibility. I am just saying to look out for routes and reasonable if an supposed match-up doesn't happen.

Why nerfed and don't use his DF in a fight? Doesn't feel like King would be honorable in engaging only like that seeing he had no qualms getting best of BMP when on waterfall, so he could get better of Zoro due to his flying and Enma is non-factor if he couldn't use it when facing Apoo when giving striking chance. Don't think it will easy get to someone like that as King just need to dodge and he is fine. Just because he wants to cut fire, doesn't mean King could be one for it and plus sometimes characters don't commit to what they stated awhile back. Again not saying possible match-ups is out, but it's getting less likely looking on situations and new characters getting involve.

Zoro will have his spotlight. I never said, he didn, but it be making impact on facing Orochi's side more on taking out one of the leaders of the Faction. Thus he can possible face Orochi, Kanjuro, or T6H with the sword, so that is possibility.
 

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Luffy and Zoro got different portrayals and obvious Luffy got stronger hits, but we see Zoro get less powerful one compare to Luffy and it was enough to get him on his knees. Though again just saying this won't stop Luffy from facing the final boss in every arc, but can't say same as Zoro as Oda put portrayals of both on different levels.

King being YC lvl is quite strong especially above likes of Apoo who easily injured Zoro like that. His feats will come more, but no doubt Zoro will not take him on solo and less likely to face him if there are more dangerous threats than him like Macro for one. He might not face him which is possibility. I am just saying to look out for routes and reasonable if an supposed match-up doesn't happen.

Why nerfed and don't use his DF in a fight? Doesn't feel like King would be honorable in engaging only like that seeing he had no qualms getting best of BMP when on waterfall, so he could get better of Zoro due to his flying and Enma is non-factor if he couldn't use it when facing Apoo when giving striking chance. Don't think it will easy get to someone like that as King just need to dodge and he is fine. Just because he wants to cut fire, doesn't mean King could be one for it and plus sometimes characters don't commit to what they stated awhile back. Again not saying possible match-ups is out, but it's getting less likely looking on situations and new characters getting involve.

Zoro will have his spotlight. I never said, he didn, but it be making impact on facing Orochi's side more on taking out one of the leaders of the Faction. Thus he can possible face Orochi, Kanjuro, or T6H with the sword, so that is possibility.
Zoro isn't fighting someone like Orochi. Orochi will fight a Scabbard, just like in Dressrosa where Kyros fought Diamante. Oda likes to let people get their revenge. I wouldn't be shocked if it's Denjiro who does him in, or if Hiyori somehow shows up and plays a part in it. Orochi isn't for Zoro.
 

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Zoro isn't fighting someone like Orochi. Orochi will fight a Scabbard, just like in Dressrosa where Kyros fought Diamante. Oda likes to let people get their revenge. I wouldn't be shocked if it's Denjiro who does him in, or if Hiyori somehow shows up and plays a part in it. Orochi isn't for Zoro.
Idk about that as even if you have revenge for someone, doesn't mean they get it. Law didn't beat Doflamingo despite being one he have issues the most. So again in that sense Zoro vs Orochi can happen especially he has his revenge for Yasu and bond with Hiyori and Toko. So again you can't use that as a complete argument that those who had previous issues with will be one to face them as it can always change up by Oda's mindset especially making Strawhats being center of someone's business.

Orochi vs Zoro is possible and got hints. We can't denied possibility especially now Macro is here to take away another possible opponent he could have. Just saying you got keep reasonable on who he could face within writing route.
 
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