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Is It a Requirement for Zoro to have Conqueror's Haki?


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My point is your excuse to say Zoro gets Kaido due to sword can be use for Momo too who has the other sword. It takes both swords to hurt him, not one. So your excuse is invalid like the talk your trying to push.

Zoro vs King is no longer possibility as much as Macro vs King or Sanji vs King. If he can't handle guys like Apoo and handle their damage, he won't last in a fight with solo YC lvl fight. Zoro will fight Orochi who is other leader of the enemy side, which make sense given writing role directed to him wanting revenge for him overall after all.
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I agree with what you mean in ways especially how writing shows. Honestly I think Oda is pushing Zoro vs Orochi fight since overall he wanted him more than any other threat he talks about especially after what he did to Yasu, Toko, and Hiyori and been fighting his people for awhile more. It make sense given situation and plus he one of the leaders of the enemy side, so Zoro taking him on in a fight would be direction especially to test his swordsmanship abilities too.
You forgot zoro has 3 swords, not only enma?
Zoro performed better against apoo than sanji did against drake. Zoro is beyond veteran level. He will fight king as the best swordsman from each crews.
 

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A SBS heavily implied that Zoro's family is originally from Wano. Potentially a decendent of Ushimaru Shimotsuki.
But that doesn't really mean much if there's implication but nothing that's close to confirmation. Though I do wonder when we'll get an arc on Zoro if it's not this arc, as he, Brook, and JInbei seem to be the only ones without much background, unless you count Brook's pirating days as background.
 

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You forgot zoro has 3 swords, not only enma?
Zoro performed better against apoo than sanji did against drake. Zoro is beyond veteran level. He will fight king as the best swordsman from each crews.
No he didn't. He ran away the moment he got hurt. Sanji stay to fight him till a tie even when he was holding back more compare to Drake. Zoro is on Veteran level by far especially if Gifters are posing to issues to him last chapter. He isn't ready to face someone of King's power and if he does have YC lvl threat, teamwork is needed for him to help him, he won't solo no one by himself.

Also actually one that been renowned with best skills is Orochi, so by that logic Zoro would end up with him as his final fight given reputation while King is known for another factor, not really on swordsmanship.
 

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Also actually one that been renowned with best skills is Orochi, so by that logic Zoro would end up with him as his final fight given reputation while King is known for another factor, not really on swordsmanship.
We've seen Orochi show this great skill to make that assumption? Because all I remember is him being scared to fight Oden and being a snotty brat. He was even scared of Zoro and his attack before Denjiro jumped in to parry it away. His portrayal is that of a conniving loudmouth who acts strong when his opponents are in a position of weakness or defenceless.

What I assume you're referring to as his "skill" is the propaganda the snake zoan user was teaching the kids in the Flower Capital, because it is just that, propaganda. Orochi wants to build this image of him as a saviour, warrior, whereas all the things he claims to be, down to the sword style he's invented for himself are rip offs of Oden, as a way to erase him from history. Which is why he's obsessed with killing Momo.

So no, we've spoken about this before. Orochi's devil fruit is likely just for show and even with what special abilities it comes it, it doesn't mean he would be a worthy foe for Zoro or any of the strong allies for that matter. Should they clash, it would be brief. Despite his wish to avenge Yasuie, the Scabbard have that also AND much better reasons to be his opponents. Heck ANY other samurai other than Zoro does.
 

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We've seen Orochi show this great skill to make that assumption? Because all I remember is him being scared to fight Oden and being a snotty brat. He was even scared of Zoro and his attack before Denjiro jumped in to parry it away. His portrayal is that of a conniving loudmouth who acts strong when his opponents are in a position of weakness or defenceless.

What I assume you're referring to as his "skill" is the propaganda the snake zoan user was teaching the kids in the Flower Capital, because it is just that, propaganda. Orochi wants to build this image of him as a saviour, warrior, whereas all the things he claims to be, down to the sword style he's invented for himself are rip offs of Oden, as a way to erase him from history. Which is why he's obsessed with killing Momo.

So no, we've spoken about this before. Orochi's devil fruit is likely just for show and even with what special abilities it comes it, it doesn't mean he would be a worthy foe for Zoro or any of the strong allies for that matter. Should they clash, it would be brief. Despite his wish to avenge Yasuie, the Scabbard have that also AND much better reasons to be his opponents. Heck ANY other samurai other than Zoro does.
Well we haven't seen him use his abilities yet and plus he was going to strike before Denjiro block it for him. So he didn't really ran scared when Zoro attack him. Plus again not underestimating his DF since that doesn't look like it be wasted on fodder just like that especially if the lore for it.

Also that apart of the reason to as Zoro will believe and go after it along that if word goes out Zoro beaten Orochi, there be propaganda on Strawhats with one of them Zoro with his 3 swords, so it all make sense in limelight of things like that and this war won't be easy fight especially going after Orochi, so doubt it be simple on just taking him out. If he can tank Nami's Zeus Lightning, then he has possibility of surviving more than we realize.

Also again the 'revenge' factor is null and voided once we saw Strawhats fighting enemies who they don't have as much personal issues compare to those who have, so using that Scabbards will face all those without help or solo isn't going to workout like you think as if that was case, Law should have beaten Doflamingo or Riku, Kyros, or anyone of Royal Family should have dealt with him and more of the officers, but instead most fighters dealt with them compare to the family, so again, that doesn't give reason they will face them honestly. Zoro be apart of the battle against Orochi given reasons I stated and with him being a 'lost guy', it possibility of happening as well.
 
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Well we haven't seen him use his abilities yet and plus he was going to strike before Denjiro block it for him. So he didn't really ran scared when Zoro attack him. Plus again not underestimating his DF since that doesn't look like it be wasted on fodder just like that especially if the lore for it.

Also that apart of the reason to as Zoro will believe and go after it along that if word goes out Zoro beaten Orochi, there be propaganda on Strawhats with one of them Zoro with his 3 swords, so it all make sense in limelight of things like that and this war won't be easy fight especially going after Orochi, so doubt it be simple on just taking him out. If he can tank Nami's Zeus Lightning, then he has possibility of surviving more than we realize.

Also again the 'revenge' factor is null and voided once we saw Strawhats fighting enemies who they don't have as much personal issues compare to those who have, so using that Scabbards will face all those without help or solo isn't going to workout like you think as if that was case, Law should have beaten Doflamingo or Riku, Kyros, or anyone of Royal Family should have dealt with him and more of the officers, but instead most fighters dealt with them compare to the family, so again, that doesn't give reason they will face them honestly. Zoro be apart of the battle against Orochi given reasons I stated and with him being a 'lost guy', it possibility of happening as well.
Right, we're not getting anywhere with this discussion and it's exhausting to debate with you. We will review this topic once we see more from Orochi and the plot in this arc.
 

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Right, we're not getting anywhere with this discussion and it's exhausting to debate with you. We will review this topic once we see more from Orochi and the plot in this arc.
We can agree to disagree. Just how it is when debating as users won't agree on everything. All I am saying do not ignore possibility of them facing and Zoro being involve which whether we like it or not, has possibility to happen. If we know Oda, I wouldn't underestimate him doing this.
 

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You can't say you agree to disagree and then make a follow up like that.
I was stating my opinion, not that it has to be right. You can say that while sticking to your stance and respecting someone's else.
 

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I was stating my opinion, not that it has to be right. You can say that while sticking to your stance and respecting someone's else.
Exactly, so maybe you should try your own advice next time.

Anyway, zoro vs king/kaido will be hyped af
 

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Exactly, so maybe you should try your own advice next time.

Anyway, zoro vs king/kaido will be hyped af
Learn to take your own advice. Zoro vs Orochi is the way it's looking. Kaido and King are too much and taken by stronger threats they will face.
 

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Learn to take your own advice. Zoro vs Orochi is the way it's looking. Kaido and King are too much and taken by stronger threats they will face.
Regardless of what you think and want, zoro vs king/kaido is going to happen. Zoro won't fight anything less than the strongest subordinate of the enemy as his main fight. It is how a writing in OP works
 

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Regardless of what you think and want, zoro vs king/kaido is going to happen. Zoro won't fight anything less than the strongest subordinate of the enemy as his main fight. It is how a writing in OP works
Regardless what you think in your mindset, it's not going to play out way you want. Zoro will fight someone for spotlight, but not King and Kaido when he can't even deal his enemies these past fights in this arc. He won't take no one of that caliber, let alone Kaido too (He won't apart of the team to take him) unless he has squad with him in team fight, but he isn't soloing no one like that.
 
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Regardless what you think in your mindset, it's not going to play out way you want. Zoro will fight someone for spotlight, but not King and Kaido when he can't even deal his enemies these past fights in this arc. He won't take no one of that caliber, let alone Kaido unless he has squad with him in team fight, but he isn't soloing no one like that.
He can't deal with his enemies? He beat strongest swordsman from fishman race only with one hit, same thing happens when he fought pica in his real body.
You can cry and complain all you want, but zoro always fight the strongest swordsman in an arc
 

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He can't deal with his enemies? He beat strongest swordsman from fishman race only with one hit, same thing happens when he fought pica in his real body.
You can cry and complain all you want, but zoro always fight the strongest swordsman in an arc
Wait, that guy in FI was the strongest fishman swordsman in the fisham race? Stronger than Sasaki and Jack?

Damn, Hodi had YC level crewmates back then. Who knew.
 

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Wait, that guy in FI was the strongest fishman swordsman in the fisham race? Stronger than Sasaki and Jack?

Damn, Hodi had YC level crewmates back then. Who knew.
Don't put it past swordbois hahaha also Pica is YC1 and stronger than all the Flying 6 combined, didn't you know? Mr.1 is also stronger than Crocodile and Kaku was stronger than Lucci

 

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Just a reminder a lot of this^ can go in the PL thread.

What do you guys think will happen between Zoro and Onimaru/Gyukimaru? It was said that Onimaru was a companion of Ushimaru Shimostuki. With Zoro being implied as a Shimotsuki clan member, and the clashes between Zoro and Onimaru, there's a set up for these two. Maybe Onimaru helps Zoro in battle? If Shusui is to return to Zoro, Onimaru will be the one to give it to him.
 

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What do you guys think will happen between Zoro and Onimaru/Gyukimaru? It was said that Onimaru was a companion of Ushimaru Shimostuki. With Zoro being implied as a Shimotsuki clan member, and the clashes between Zoro and Onimaru, there's a set up for these two. Maybe Onimaru helps Zoro in battle? If Shusui is to return to Zoro, Onimaru will be the one to give it to him.
I'm doubting he shows up but if he does, Onimaru might give Zoro the hint he needs to permanent blacken one of his blades.
 

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Just a reminder a lot of this^ can go in the PL thread.

What do you guys think will happen between Zoro and Onimaru/Gyukimaru? It was said that Onimaru was a companion of Ushimaru Shimostuki. With Zoro being implied as a Shimotsuki clan member, and the clashes between Zoro and Onimaru, there's a set up for these two. Maybe Onimaru helps Zoro in battle? If Shusui is to return to Zoro, Onimaru will be the one to give it to him.
Zoro wins over Gyukimaru with his manliness and honor and gets his sword back.
 

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he isnt getting his sword back, Enma is superior isnt it?
 
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