Discussion Zoro Discussion Thread

[Pirate Queen]

To be honest I just want to get to the fights already, Zoro and the others desperately need some action while luffy gets all the fun...

I think Zoro and Sanji are getting up for something. Sanji with sow undercover stuff and Zoro with carving a path through the gifters

 

[kkck]

I don't think yamato getting any of oden's swords should be a significant plot point. Though yamato is by all appearances straight up insane so it wouldn't be too strange if she tries to get them for herself. The most likely scenario is that she will simply fangirl over the swords IMO.

As for zoro and kaido.... I can imagine zoro cutting kaido but I don't think that will necessarily mean zoro is as strong as oden was yet. Presumably kaido is stronger now but kaido was probably pretty close to his peak back then as well. IMO the progression we have seen does not justify zoro performing yonko level feats at least. Then again oda has basically rushed luffy's power increase to such an insane degree that such a development, while bad and rushed, is not beneath oda....

 

[King Moe]

Still don't see Zoro facing Kaido. He don't fight his captain's enemies as he trust Luffy to take final boss. Plus Oda got set planning for Luffy come out strongest at end of the arc as well in the crew.

 

[nik87]

he trust Luffy to take final boss.

Why didnt he trust Luffy to take care of PX-4 and Zombie Oars?

 

[King Moe]

Why didnt he trust Luffy to take care of PX-4 and Zombie Oars?

That was to escape for first one to the ship, so Luffy didn't care Sanji, Zoro, and everyone else help him combat it to escape and you do know Moria was true final boss, not Oars who Zoro standby to watch outcome like everyone else. Your point doesn't debunked that at all.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I don't think yamato getting any of oden's swords should be a significant plot point. Though yamato is by all appearances straight up insane so it wouldn't be too strange if she tries to get them for herself. The most likely scenario is that she will simply fangirl over the swords IMO.

As for zoro and kaido.... I can imagine zoro cutting kaido but I don't think that will necessarily mean zoro is as strong as oden was yet. Presumably kaido is stronger now but kaido was probably pretty close to his peak back then as well. IMO the progression we have seen does not justify zoro performing yonko level feats at least. Then again oda has basically rushed luffy's power increase to such an insane degree that such a development, while bad and rushed, is not beneath oda....

Actually... i would much prefer her fan-girling over the swords lol. It would be pretty funny.

I actually really want to see how she acts around Zoro. I feel like they would have good chemistry for some reason.

Oh no! What's thats in the distance? Off the starboard side! Its small, but getting larger by the second! (Thats what she said).

Its!!! IT'S!!!! THE S.S. ZORO×YAMATO the greatest ship in Wano! Board it if you dare you cowards!

 

[nik87]

That was to escape for first one to the ship, so Luffy didn't care Sanji, Zoro, and everyone else help him combat it to escape and you do know Moria was true final boss, not Oars who Zoro standby to watch outcome like everyone else. Your point doesn't debunked that at all.

So Zoro didnt trust Luffy to take care of the big bads two times and now he will do the same? Sounds like you debunked yourself, again.

 

[King Moe]

So Zoro didnt trust Luffy to take care of the big bads two times and now he will do the same? Sounds like you debunked yourself, again.

Were they final boss of each arc? You keep missing that point. Last I saw in Sabody it was Kizaru and for Bark it was Moria who Zoro didn't face at all and actually was hype tool to them while Luffy try to do something to Kizaru and his group and defeated Moria by himself in the end. Point being Oda doesn't have Zoro face final boss or face those who are Luffy's battles especially final one. Zoro will get his spotlight taking out someone else, but it will have nothing to do with Kaido.

 

[nik87]

Were they final boss of each arc? You keep missing that point. Last I saw in Sabody it was Kizaru and for Bark it was Moria who Zoro didn't face at all and actually was hype tool to them while Luffy try to do something to Kizaru and his group and defeated Moria by himself in the end.

Even worse for you in that case because Kizaru attacked Zoro and not Luffy.

 

[jaymizzo]

So Zoro didnt trust Luffy to take care of the big bads two times and now he will do the same? Sounds like you debunked yourself, again.

Nik, Zoro is your favourite character. His loyalty and trust in his captain is ridiculous, the guy was willing to give up his dream for him... The whole crew normally look at Luffy to beat the final boss, how is this even a debate?

Come on man, its interesting debates sometimes but you don't need to demean Zoros character that much to prove your love for him. The guy is loyal to a fault... I can't believe someone has to point that out about your favorite character.

 

[thedude]

Why didnt he trust Luffy to take care of PX-4 and Zombie Oars?

...are you saying Zoro doesn't trust Luffy to fight the final boss on his own? That's...not in the manga at all. Zoro standing by while Luffy fights Moria. zoro standing and watching Luffy fight Lucci. Zoro leaving Crocodile to Luffy as he went to help with the bomb search. Zoro pushing back on wires as Luffy fought Doflamingo.

He literally always leaves the final boss to Luffy. He has literally attacked fodder trying to get to Luffy (Fishman Island) so Luffy could fight the main enemy.

 

[nik87]

The whole crew normally look at Luffy to beat the final boss, how is this even a debate?

Except when the final boss something that nobody can handle alone and Kaido is the mother of all individuals who cannot be taken down by 1 individual.
PX-4 was the same in pre-TS, the entire crew, literally has ganged up to take it down. The same happened with Zombie Oars.
We both read those, yes? So, why is it now suddenly out of question that Zoro is part of the Kaido fight?

The guy is loyal to a fault... I can't believe someone has to point that out about your favorite character.

His loyalty has nothing to do with the problem at hand - Kaido. Zoro and many more will take part in that fight.
We are literally talking the guy who is the strongest creature, whether it is sea, land or air.
Besides, look at this:

Sees Luffy flying away smacked by an Admiral and look what he says: Perfect!
He isnt asking Luffy to take part in that fight, he is letting him know that he is taking over. With 2 exclamation marks.
Luffy has the honor of the MC which usually means the last hit but dont sleep on Zoro.
Even the last hit against Kaido is questionable here since there is another Emperor, the one that came after Luffy specifically.

@thedude Are you saying that he isnt trusting Luffy to deal with Fujitora or what?|
Moriah has self-defeated himself, Zoro's assistance wasnt required, he went down from 2-3 hits.
Zoro's help wasnt needed against Lucci and there was plenty of Marines to clear up and protect the crew and to not split up again.
Zoro's assistance is very much required against Kaido and it just happens so that he is the most effective combatant of them all.

 

[jaymizzo]

Bro, come on now. Context.

Mind, Zoro waited for Luffy to get swatted by Fujitora. Zoro as a character would never interfere in Luffys fights.
Also, Luffy and Zoro are always up for a fight.... unless its against Kuma

Spoiler: JFF

That last bit I was just having a bit of fun. no malice.

 

[nik87]

Zoro as a character would never interfere in Luffys fights.

Why did he interfere against PX-4? Because Luffy couldnt have handled it on his own.
The same will happen with Kaido. I dont see what the big problem is here.
Luffy's last 1vs1 was Chinjao, every fight after that, he has had help, one way or another.

 

[jaymizzo]

Why did he interfere against PX-4? Because Luffy couldnt have handled it on his own.
The same will happen with Kaido. I dont see what the big problem is here.
Luffy's last 1vs1 was Chinjao, every fight after that, he has had help, one way or another.

These have been answered.
PX-4 = Crew effort.
Kaido = Alliance effort until Luffy takes over.

I really don't understand why you think Zoro would act against his own captain or genuinely interfere in a serious fight. Come on man, Zoro has too much respect for Luffy, you posted the Fujitora thing but you forgot that Zoro waited... like what any other VC would do.

 

[nik87]

I really don't understand why you think Zoro would act against his own captain or genuinely interfere in a serious fight.

The same reason why Zoro and everyone else interfered against PX-4, because Luffy is not capable of handling it himself.
The same reason why he will interfere against Kaido, just like other 10+ characters who will interfere in that fight...

Yes, he waited and then he took over implying that he will do better or am I wrong?

 

[jaymizzo]

The same reason why Zoro and everyone else interfered against PX-4, because Luffy is not capable of handling it himself.
The same reason why he will interfere against Kaido, just like other 10+ characters who will interfere in that fight...

Yes, he waited and then he took over implying that he will do better or am I wrong?

I mean, that's kinda obvious... PX-4 was not some main arc antagonist. Luffy has soloed every main arc antagonist in the end. Zoro will play a part, but it won't be... the main part that is reserved for Luffy.

To answer your question, you are wrong. We saw what happened when Zoro tried to fight Fujitora... Fuji would have ended the whole alliance in a matter of seconds at that point.

But anyway, any chance to further the Zoro>Everyone fantasy... Meh.

 

[Shasha23]

Luffy has soloed every main arc antagonist in the end. Zoro will play a part, but it won't be... the main part that is reserved for Luffy.

I seriously doubt in the end it will be Luffy and Kaido as the 2 left standing, i just cant picture Luffy taking Kaido's life.
I see it more as kaido will be on his last legs with Luffy, Kid, Zoro, Law, Killer and Drake doing a combo that ends him, i dont think the Kaido fight will be similar to every other last fight where Luffy deals the last blow since i dont think he is strong enough on his own to do it.

 

[kkck]

Since when did zoro "interfere" in the fight against the pacifista? That fight was a crew effort from the get go. And luffy certainly didn't order his crew to stand down against it. Zoro by now seems perfectly content simply following whatever order luffy throws his way at least. I could see him disobeying luffy but it really depends on the context of the situation.

 

[jaymizzo]

I seriously doubt in the end it will be Luffy and Kaido as the 2 left standing, i just cant picture Luffy taking Kaido's life.
I see it more as kaido will be on his last legs with Luffy, Kid, Zoro, Law, Killer and Drake doing a combo that ends him, i dont think the Kaido fight will be similar to every other last fight where Luffy deals the last blow since i dont think he is strong enough on his own to do it.

Only Zoro has killed someone but I highly doubt he will be the one to do so with Kaido. Could be wrong though, Oda might want Zoro to be known as the Yonkou slayer than the WSS... who knows. This could also be Luffys first kills.

The idea of all comboing him is a bit more partial though. All reasonable parties would probably be satisfied.