Only Zoro has killed someone but I highly doubt he will be the one to do so with Kaido. Could be wrong though, Oda might want Zoro to be known as the Yonkou slayer than the WSS... who knows. This could also be Luffys first kills.
The idea of all comboing him is a bit more partial though. All reasonable parties would probably be satisfied.
with Zoro having killed before even in this arc he could be the one used to kill Kaido but i seriously doubt that, since there are a lot of people who are more fitting to fill that role, but as for Luffy i doubt it, since Oda has said Luffy wont kill but will destroy the hopes and dreams of his enemies leaving them defeated but with a chance to keep chasing freedom or something like that, so i cant see Luffy ever killing in the story.
I bring up the combo since i dont think anyone is strong enough to end Kaido on their own, if this was like Dragon Ball i would say the supernovas would give Luffy their haki and Luffy would end up going solo with Kaido at the end but i highly doubt Oda would write in something that stupid.
Since when did zoro "interfere" in the fight against the pacifista? That fight was a crew effort from the get go. And luffy certainly didn't order his crew to stand down against it. Zoro by now seems perfectly content simply following whatever order luffy throws his way at least. I could see him disobeying luffy but it really depends on the context of the situation.
What if he tells Luffy that they are switching spots, like he did against Fujitora? And tells Luffy to handle Big Mom with others. He wasnt asking him back then, he was telling him that he is taking over.
What if he tells Luffy that they are switching spots, like he did against Fujitora? And tells Luffy to handle Big Mom with others. He wasnt asking him back then, he was telling him that he is taking over.
When the Six paths cross(get mastered) something unimaginable happens. Human's transcend the earthly realm and limitations.
Without any of us noticing for many years, the six paths of desire has been an underlying theme with Zoro. We knew that many of his attacks were named after things from Buddhism but we never looked deeper into it.
It caught attention right after the time-skip when Zoro performed the only new attack he has shown post TS - Crossing of Six Paths. The way that attack is portrayed, 5 parallel lines standing on one line could imply that Zoro has mastered 5 of those paths while the one that is below the 5 is signifying the one path that yet has to be mastered. Doesnt have to necessarily to mean that and can instead signify the 5 realms standing on top of the hell realm.
At first I thought that Zoro has mastered only 4 paths - Human, Animal, Hungry Ghost and Asura realm and that Hell and God realm are yet to be mastered but if the Crossing of Six Paths attack signifies 5 paths mastered, then the only path that he has yet to master would be the Hell realm.
I will address all 6 realms/paths:
The human realm - is the most basic but unclearly defined, it could relate to all the attacks that are named after things related to the human realm such as Rashomon which represents a gate, The Thousand Worlds which make up the human realm or things like Tower Climb:
The animal realm - the most obvious, well defined and commonly used path. Many characters that have crossed Zoro's path called him a beast or felt his beast-like spirit and even Zoro called himself a wild beast as well as the very same chapter being named a Wild Beast. Attacks of this realm have a bestial spirit manifestation such as Dragon Twister, Dragon Blaze, Rhino Revolve, Ichi-Ni Gorilla, Leopard Spinning balls and many others...
Realm of the Hungry Ghost - this path has only occurred once, in Enies Lobby and it was a flavored Oni Giri in the courthouse. There is no other focus on it that I can recall. It is called Enbima Yonezu which is named Ebi Mayonezu, a food pun. There are some name variations depending on the translation for example, Charming Demon Sleepless Night. The spirit manifestation is a clear representation of a ghost.
The realm of Asura - represents a very important part of Zoro's character, competitiveness, selfish ego and the need to be superior to all things. Also, it symbolically represents the enemy of gods which in OP are Celestial Dragons, in a way. It is representing Zoro at his most powerful in pre time-skip era and is portrayed through Ichibugin or Makyusen attacks.
The path of god - this is a path that I thought at first that hasnt been mastered yet but the attack Crossing of Six Paths and Zoro's closed eye lead me to think that this path is also already mastered but its fruits have not been shown yet. Zoro's closed eye is a parallel to Buddha's closed eyes who does so to train his spirit. I believe Zoro has been doing the same thing the entire time in post TS - training his spirit. The fruits of God realm will probably be shown once Zoro opens his scarred eye. It could happen next in line but also may be saved up for later.
The Hell realm - this is probably the only path that Zoro has not yet mastered and it is representing the line that is not parallel to the other five in the attack Crossing of Six Paths. Or maybe it was just mastered through the training with Enma! Wano represents Hell and it has been called such several times already. If it's mastered, there should be a new spirit manifestation or something that isnt result of TS training.
The ultimate question is what will happen when Zoro masters all 6 of them. Will there be some "crossing" between the paths that will result in something special? Considering that Zoro's one and only purpose is to be the strongest, there might be no other individual who will achieve the same. Perhaps, in the distant past, another character achieved the same, the man who singlehandedly protected Wano from outside threats, the sword god Ryuma.
Since even a nick on the blade is supposedly a mark of shame, I dont think Sandai will break.
That sword somehow holds a special value since Zoro placed his arm as a bet in that gamble.
If a sword breaks, I suspect it will be done by Zoro himself when he attempts to forge a Kokuto.
Since I have a personal fetish of 3x Kitetsu blades, I think Enma will be broken in the blackening process.
I want them to make him his own sword. Although you can say Wado Ichimonji is his own sword since he is the one making a name for it. It would still be cool for Tenguyama to make a new sword, just for Zoro, and for this blade to be his masterpiece, maybe better than Ame no Habakiri even. Then again, maybe Zoro can have both Ame and Enma, along with Wado, and the 3 of them form some sort of ultimate sword style, completing his 3 sword style.
Oda taking away the Shusui just to give it to him again doesn't make much sense to me. Having Enma was on the basis that he return Shusui back to Ryuma's grave. All things considered Shusui resting with its original owner's grave (slight correction as his body was set ablaze by Zoro), in his homeland where it is considered a national treasure is the best thing for it.
Personally I don't see any of his swords breaking anymore, possibly him just trading the Sandai Kitetsu for a stronger sword. It'd be cool if he got the Nidai Kitetsu in its place.
Yeah, Zoro's not getting Shusui back. The series made too big a fuss about him trading it for Enma.
Now, Sandai breaking? I'm not sure. He could trade it, but I'd prefer he keep it. Blackening is going to up its rank anyway. Or maybe Hitetsu could take another wack at it and reforge it.
He will have to give back Enma. It's not his sword. It's to the right of Momo and Hiyori as can't see them leaving with him especially if he saw Shusui sacred to leave it, same for Enma. Think give him new sword to create to be only his alone after the arc.
It's certainly Zoro's. He is the only person other than Oden to tame it. But that doesn't matter - it's now his property. Hiyori, the previous owner, has given it to Zoro.
They could offer Zoro something else to get Enma back, but I doubt the story will do that.
It's certainly Zoro's. He is the only person other than Oden to tame it. But that doesn't matter - it's now his property. Hiyori, the previous owner, has given it to Zoro.
They could offer Zoro something else to get Enma back, but I doubt the story will do that.
Anyone can tamed Enma with efficient Haki and again it's not his birthright as Zoro like with Shusui if he was willing to let it go out of respect for Ryuma, Zoro do the same for Momo and his family. He get his new sword in return for his efforts, but don't see him taking away something so important to the family even if Hiyori allowed him at first, it seems more of bargain to not take Shusui than deserving of it. Zoro have respect factor for those, so he wouldn't take it especially seeing Momo is destined to have those swords in the end when he grows up like his father.
Plus would rather he get his own created sword to have his own legacy on it than on legacy of those who made them famous already like Ryuma to Shusui and Oden to Enma and Ame. Won't feel much accomplish as himself as some will take it for previous user fame than more his overall.
Anyone can tamed Enma with efficient Haki and again it's not his birthright as Zoro like with Shusui if he was willing to let it go out of respect for Ryuma, Zoro do the same for Momo and his family. He get his new sword in return for his efforts, but don't see him taking away something so important to the family even if Hiyori allowed him at first, it seems more of bargain to not take Shusui than deserving of it. Zoro have respect factor for those, so he wouldn't take it especially seeing Momo is destined to have those swords in the end when he grows up like his father.
Plus would rather he get his own created sword to have his own legacy on it than on legacy of those who made them famous already like Ryuma to Shusui and Oden to Enma and Ame. Won't feel much accomplish as himself as some will take it for previous user fame than more his overall.
You are good at getting everything wrong, I am not even mad, it is amazing.
First off, manga fact says that Zoro is the only one aside from Oden who ever tamed that sword, rest is headcanon.
Not a birthright? Nobody cares about that since no sword of Zoro was his birthright.
He didnt let it go out of respect of Ryuma, he let it go because he was promised a replacement, all he cares is about having 3 swords.
Momo has nothing to do with Enma since it is not his sword. Hiyori, as Enma's owner, willingly gave it to Zoro.
If it was so important to Hiyori she wouldnt have given it to him, there were plenty of swords in Ringo collected by Onimaru.
Momo destined to have those swords? Headcanon, plain and simple. Could be right, could be wrong, headcanon either way.
Zoro doesnt care about those as long as he has 3 swords, the only sword that isnt replaceable is Wado Ichimonji.
Considering that Zoro is the only one who can use Enma, it going to anyone else would be pointless, unless they want to die because of it.
Yes, you would rather that he gets his own sword but you obviously dont understand One Piece which main underlying theme is inherited will.
Zoro's own sword has no inherited will while Enma does, just like Wado Ichimonji. The only sword which doesnt have inherited will is Kitetsu.
Even that is only because it's previous users all died because of the curse they couldnt handle, something which Zoro can.
Wont feel accomplished because previous user made it famous? That may be the case with Shusui since Ryuma forged it black but isnt case with any other.
I personally dont care about Enma and want it gone but you are definitely misunderstanding the whole situation and I am not surprised. 3x Kitetsu as Zoro's EoS set of swords FTW! The blades which kill and scare others belonging to future WSS is best, imo but I could see Enma staying till EOS with Nidai and Wado.
You are good at getting everything wrong, I am not even mad, it is amazing.
First off, manga fact says that Zoro is the only one aside from Oden who ever tamed that sword, rest is headcanon.
Not a birthright? Nobody cares about that since no sword of Zoro was his birthright.
He didnt let it go out of respect of Ryuma, he let it go because he was promised a replacement, all he cares is about having 3 swords.
Momo has nothing to do with Enma since it is not his sword. Hiyori, as Enma's owner, willingly gave it to Zoro.
If it was so important to Hiyori she wouldnt have given it to him, there were plenty of swords in Ringo collected by Onimaru.
Momo destined to have those swords? Headcanon, plain and simple. Could be right, could be wrong, headcanon either way.
Zoro doesnt care about those as long as he has 3 swords, the only sword that isnt replaceable is Wado Ichimonji.
Considering that Zoro is the only one who can use Enma, it going to anyone else would be pointless, unless they want to die because of it.
Yes, you would rather that he gets his own sword but you obviously dont understand One Piece which main underlying theme is inherited will.
Zoro's own sword has no inherited will while Enma does, just like Wado Ichimonji. The only sword which doesnt have inherited will is Kitetsu.
Even that is only because it's previous users all died because of the curse they couldnt handle, something which Zoro can.
Wont feel accomplished because previous user made it famous? That may be the case with Shusui since Ryuma forged it black but isnt case with any other.
I personally dont care about Enma and want it gone but you are definitely misunderstanding the whole situation and I am not surprised. 3x Kitetsu as Zoro's EoS set of swords FTW! The blades which kill and scare others belonging to future WSS is best, imo but I could see Enma staying till EOS with Nidai and Wado.
You sound like broken record over this talk if someone say something not on your agenda of Zoro. None of you said is absolute no canon statement as Zoro let go for his blade and possible pay respect after he did and will do the same with Enma again as end of the day unless family is full good with him having their swords, Zoro isn't claiming Enma and Ame on his journey as he would respect Momo and his family to have it in the end. Plus it does demeen him for his legacy as he still be under Oden's legacy who made swords famous, not him. It's better he get new sword as a reward to replace Enma, but not take family and country treasured swords just like Shusui with him since Momo especially when he grows up will use them one day, so no on Zoro is destined to have them and will always have them.
He achieve what he set out with new blade, not those as your actually insulting him having magic sword and already used one to push for his dream and legacy as I rather his blades be made famous by his own hands, not someone already done for him in the end.
You sound like broken record over this talk if someone say something not on your agenda of Zoro. None of you said is absolute no canon statement as Zoro let go for his blade and possible pay respect after he did and will do the same with Enma again as end of the day unless family is full good with him having their swords, Zoro isn't claiming Enma and Ame on his journey as he would respect Momo and his family to have it in the end. Plus it does demeen him for his legacy as he still be under Oden's legacy who made swords famous, not him. It's better he get new sword as a reward to replace Enma, but not take family and country treasured swords just like Shusui with him since Momo especially when he grows up will use them one day, so no on Zoro is destined to have them and will always have them.
He achieve what he set out with new blade, not those as your actually insulting him having magic sword and already used one to push for his dream and legacy as I rather his blades be made famous by his own hands, not someone already done for him in the end.
Your first sentence shows that you didnt read anything I wrote, I am not surprised but there is no point going any further since you dont read people's arguments and just copy-paste your saved up defaults...
Make-Believe is fun, but Zoro not having any of that not even Shanks nor Kaido. He isn't beating Yonkos as that Luffy's job XD.
Again people will see it legend of someone than his achievements and doubt he make black as well. Swords will belong to No No and his family, so should be one to create out of it more over Zoro.
I can see Zoro getting new sword to work his black blade and make his own legacy than someone who already achieved it on said blade.
Make-Believe is fun, but Zoro not having any of that not even Shanks nor Kaido. He isn't beating Yonkos as that Luffy's job XD.
Again people will see it legend of someone than his achievements and doubt he make black as well. Swords will belong to No No and his family, so should be one to create out of it more over Zoro.
I can see Zoro getting new sword to work his black blade and make his own legacy than someone who already achieved it on said blade.
Oden never made Enma turn permanently black. If Zoro manages to do so the sword will have an even greatest legacy about Zoro than it has about Oden.
Enma doesn't belong to Momonosuke. If he ever wants to become a swordsman he can get a new sword or another famous sword. You talk about "Zoro can't keep Enma because it already has a legacy" but by that same argument Momo can't keep Enma because it already has a legacy (Oden's, not Momo's). No person in the world should ever use that sword again according to you. What a waste.
The owner of Enma gave it to Zoro, that's all there is to it.
About Shusui, it was different: The sword was used as a tombstone and stolen by Moria.
Zoro defeated Ryuuma's zombie controlled by Brook's shadow; so: Ryuuma's brainwashed and extremely nerfed down Ryuuma who was limited to employ Brook's techniques.
That zombie gave Shusui to him, but the zombie itself wasn't the rightful owner either in the first place. Zoro was offered a better sword (Enma) to return Shusui to the grave where it belonged. Zoro accepted.
Why did they offer to trade Enma for Shusui? Because the owner, Hiyori, Oden's daughter, who had even more of a right to claim Enma for herself than Momonosuke did, had no problem with Zoro becoming the new owner of Enma. On the other hand, they didn't think Shusui should remain in Zoro's hands. Had they thought the same for Enma, an even more valuable sword, they wouldn't have offered him the trade.
So no, I don't know if Zoro will keep Enma for the whole series but there's literally zero moral reasons for him to return it to the Kozuki family.
Oden never made Enma turn permanently black. If Zoro manages to do so the sword will have an even greatest legacy about Zoro than it has about Oden.
Enma doesn't belong to Momonosuke. If he ever wants to become a swordsman he can get a new sword or another famous sword. You talk about "Zoro can't keep Enma because it already has a legacy" but by that same argument Momo can't keep Enma because it already has a legacy (Oden's, not Momo's). No person in the world should ever use that sword again according to you. What a waste.
The owner of Enma gave it to Zoro, that's all there is to it.
About Shusui, it was different: The sword was used as a tombstone and stolen by Moria.
Zoro defeated Ryuuma's zombie controlled by Brook's shadow; so: Ryuuma's brainwashed and extremely nerfed down Ryuuma who was limited to employ Brook's techniques.
That zombie gave Shusui to him, but the zombie itself wasn't the rightful owner either in the first place. Zoro was offered a better sword (Enma) to return Shusui to the grave where it belonged. Zoro accepted.
Why did they offer to trade Enma for Shusui? Because the owner, Hiyori, Oden's daughter, who had even more of a right to claim Enma for herself than Momonosuke did, had no problem with Zoro becoming the new owner of Enma. On the other hand, they didn't think Shusui should remain in Zoro's hands. Had they thought the same for Enma, an even more valuable sword, they wouldn't have offered him the trade.
So no, I don't know if Zoro will keep Enma for the whole series but there's literally zero moral reasons for him to return it to the Kozuki family.
It's family legacy sword thought that be passed down with Enma, of course it have legacy of others before it as it's family heirloom, so it shouldn't stop Momo having the right to take it for himself and use it one day along with Ame.
As for Zombie Ryuma, it's yes and no while technically that wasn't his 'true self' fighting, that was still his body and his sword, so that was something of his whether he was fully aware or not. Many debated on Zoro not giving away already perfected black blade, but look what happen later on how he soon trade up for something else. Not saying they trade back with Shusui, talking about an sword being blacksmith to creation of his own use and probably had no problem as right now they need someone to make use of it of the upcoming war, but doesn't mean they want nothing to do with it anymore as I don't think I can see family and Scabbards just leaving it with Zoro when they didn't want him to have Shusui to begin with for the country. Oden like Ryuma is celebrated person in Wano, so can't see them just being fine him having it journey ahead and never giving it back at all.
Just saying it could go direction of new sword created for him and his own achievements as thank you from them which is possibility. We can't rule out from it.
