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Gene Simmons' Son Has Got Some Explaining to Do...

+ posted by njt in Manga News on Feb 26, 2010 10:56
_________Bleach________________________________________Incarnate

Gene Simmons' son, Nick Simmons, surprises Bleach fans with his comic - Incarnate. And by surprises I mean mostly piss off. One fan spotting some similarties to the Bleach manga sparked tons of fans gathering together and comparing scene by scene to show that Nick's latest manga is a far stretch from being original. (Compilation of the images at the end of the article )

Fans then further took matters into their own hands and brought news of the event right to Kubo-sensei himself in which Kubo-sensei mentions on his twitter account:


Translation:
Quote:
12:07 - I've received tons of comments from fans overseas while I was sleeping stating that there is a manga in America that looks a lot like Bleach. I checked out the site that was all in English and not really knowing what it all said it appears that Gene Simmons' son Nick Simmons wrote a new manga.

12:08 - Quite frankly, more than whether it looks like it (bleach) or not, I'm more interested in the fact that Gene Simmons' son is a mangaka...


Incarnate's publisher has also responded to the overwhelming power of fans to, well, support Kubo's best interests stating:
Quote:

Radical's response in regards to Incarnate:
We at Radical Publishing, Inc. and Radical Comics, Inc. are quite concerned to hear the news surrounding Nick Simmons’s Incarnate Comic Book. We are taking this matter seriously and making efforts now to contact the publishers of the works in question in an effort to resolve this matter. We have halted further production and distribution of the “Incarnate” comic book and trade paperback until the matter is resolved to the satisfaction of all parties. Rest assured that Radical is taking swift action regarding this matter and will continue in its efforts to maintain the integrity and protect the intellectual property of artists throughout the world whose creative works are the bedrock of our Company and the comic book industry.

I understand the desire to want to draw like your favorite author, but if you're going to make a manga/comic look *that* much alike, it's best to come to Japan during Comiket and sell your doujinshi ;).

For more info pics and Sources check:
http://community.livejournal.com/bleachness/446299.html

Discuss
http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58398

Which ones did you consider to copy Kubo the most? Mine goes to #12...

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#1. by Hajimeru Rinko (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
Heck, I'm not a bleach fan, but this is kinda ridiculous... Still, I'm wondering how obsessed the guy is with Bleach to make this outcome.
#2. by Loki@mangastream (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
Wow, Kubo was really gracious in his retort. Class act I'd say.

This Simmons fellow on the other hand..........................................................

I mean this gives a whole new meaning to the term blatant.
#3. by progste (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
similar charachters, similar scenes, similar art style... this is something more than just quoting! I don't really know how this guy could ever think that anyone wouldn't notice that this is a copy.
on the other hand kubo's answer was really polite
#4. by Evil3ye (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
lol fake
#5. by da_rippa (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
Well...
Plagiarism is a serious matter in every field.
Be it science, music , school or manga.

Nick Simmons is the son of an artist, so I wonder why he hasn't got any awareness on such a matter. Gene Simmons will be very disappoint.
#6. by kanamechidori (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
He also ripped off Deadman wonderland and Hellsing.

Someone noticed Nana and Neuro.
#7. by c_k (Global Moderator)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
I'm surprised this didn't come out earlier than with the third issue out since so many images are alike...
#8. by Agrias (Holy Knight)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
I was surprised the 1st time I heard Nick Simmons was drawing manga, but never got to read anything...really lame.
#9. by Paccu-Jay Official (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
Ripped off Narutos character Diedera with his mouth palms.
#10. by ThunderEarthFire (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
I can see why someone would want to do a "better" version of Bleach since it went way downhill, but you blatantly copy the art style,characters, and subject. Come up with your own original work.
#11. by gphjr14 (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
Damn he wasn't even suttle in copying Bleach.
#12. by Raichu (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
lol I found this out yesterday,the news was big and shocking,yeah :/!
#13. by lucifell (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
lol the poor guy is NEVER going to live this down. famous kid or not. He could be HUGE in the doujin world though
#14. by Dark-Knights (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
HELL? COPYCAT!
#15. by fosskers (Translator)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
Wow, thumbs down.
#16. by kakashi919 (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
lol... well at least he can draw
#17. by Darth Executor (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
Vampire Hunter D had a mouth on his palm long before naruto.
#18. by hirou (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
2Darth Executor
Hey, you surely know, that D and Deidara have nothing in common. Moreover, Left Hand is an active character, and Deidara's hands are just part of his body. Surely, there're a lot of common trends in comics (like, protagonist in red cape - Trigun, Hellsing, Archer, Ergo Proxy, anyone wanna count?), and, BTW, I don't think, that this Simmons ripped Alucard's glasses like someone said in LJ, but on some pictures there's too much similarity...
#19. by Paccu-Jay Official (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
Oh my bad , i havent read vampire hunter D before lol
#20. by Ardus (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
Wow. There is no explaining this away, that is a blatant copy. It looks like he designed his entire story around copying those certain scenes from Bleach.

As far as copies go, however, I'd say the art and coloring are pretty good.
#21. by XiongMao-kun (Scanlator)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
Anybody notice Kure-Nai?
#22. by PenguinChika (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
Like father like son. :>
#23. by hunter71485 (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
Just had a headache reading this. I remembered something too:

"Artists do not copy, they steal"
#24. by skitzophr3ak (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
He ripped off Bleach's art style and Hellsing's story and honestly thought he could get away with it? I could understand ripping of some obscure foreign material and not getting caught for years but ripping of two huge properties like Bleach and Hellsing is just blatantly retarded.
#25. by hollowdemon (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
this is just pathetic big time ... stupid celebrity children think they can do anything they want.

Go get your own loser
#26. by Sensei 12 (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
EPIC FAIL
#27. by Succubus (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
lol thats hilarious well I was not surprised because gene was huge fan of manga

Nick Simmons's deviantart page http://letsleepinggodslie.deviantart.com
#28. by Junior (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
Lolol super fail.

Kubo's a pretty classy guy.
#29. by mangafan.no1 (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
hahaha ....man they are some manga scenes and some human moves that cant be different ( i mean when punch u strech your hand forwad a guy face , when u run u bend youre knee and so on , those scenes are the same drawed in any manga , the only thing thsa different are the carcters ) but this guy drawed even the same caracters not only the drawing style and the ....
#30. by hiropyro (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
Good artists copy, Great artists steal.
Sorry to say it Nick Simmons you are not a GOOD artist.
Merely because you copied incorrectly. ;P
#31. by Cykai (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
haha classic.
#32. by Ryr (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
Wow, just wow.
#33. by jide (Scanlator)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
Well I can clearly see how much Nick Simmons love's Tite Kubo’s style which I would also respect. But to go about making a comic by copying scenes, panels and characters and making money out of it that’s were it goes wrong for me personally. I see Incarnate mostly as a fan comic but it would have been better if it was posted on a fan based site like smackjeeves or something...

I think the man dug his own grave just by doing this, he should learn from this and try that much harder to be more original in the future.
#34. by IcetricX (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
wow...
o .o
he ripped off bleach
#35. by Lee-tyme7 (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
Oh man, how many issue out so far? 3? Wow, lucky they stop it because who know how many more traces he will ripp off from. What next, Naruto? How could the publisher not see this either? Those dumb kissup. It's one thing to love and tribute to your favorite artist but this is way to much to paved tribute. I agree that this is ridiculous...if you're going to be a mangaka it's best you don't rippoff from other artist.
What's this?...he ripoff from a DA artist too? Now that cross the line.
#36. by kenjiharima (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
Quite frankly, more than whether it looks like it (bleach) or not, I'm more interested in the fact that Gene Simmons' son is a mangaka...

That's an interesting comment coming from a man that is being ripped off.
#37. by Saint Markus (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
lol. this is mad funny, yo. what did he do trace the manga and redo it with Manga Studio Pro?. funny sh*t.
#38. by kanamechidori (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
http://gammasquad.uproxx.com/2010/02/nick-simmons-will-sue-you-in-england

DO YOU KNOW WHO HIS FATHER IZ! HE WILL SUE THE INTERNETZ! FROM ENGLAND!!!!

He's on the same wavelength as all other artists...can a man die from bull**** poisoning?
#39. by E-Q (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
totally fail...

I wouldn't complaint it much if he just copy some chara...
but he went to far with copy the scene...
honestly.. its kinda disapointed for someone who can draw comic pretty well...
#40. by Xenos (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
what a tool... kids of prodigy rockers always fail.. i mean look at the children of Ozzy.. total fail.. and more fail. This kid tarnishes the name of Gene Simmons! The comics themselves are so crap Lol.. i mean if he did a good job overworking everything, but no.. lame trace and edits that any1 can do with mspaint.
#41. by Xman (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
Lack of creativity .. all I can say ._.

I understand the fact he might likes the drawing style, or even the story line .. but the same scenes .. like 95% :/

Oh.. and not just any random scenes... like the most important part of the story >.>
#42. by jdw (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
That is a complete rip off. It isn't even debatable.
#43. by jdw (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
I think he (Kubo) probably doesn't want to stir up trouble, which is why he gave that response.
#44. by xXxLelouchxXx (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
lol. it's a blatant copy. Nick Simmons should issue a public apology. Even that isn't enough
#45. by daman246 (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
dude this guy can get sued so much that hed be bankrupt everything he drew is from kubo i mean everything even the characters specialy kenpachi exactly the same
#46. by xzy (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
haha that dirty bastard sure copied the work of kubo. i mean just cuz hes f.ucking popular cuz of his dad and all that stuff he think he can fit in every place. or perhaps he thinks he has a "talent" for everything. i bet he was only trying to hit on a girl cuz he was trying to show he was artistic. DAMN YOU NICK SIMMONS GET URSELF A FRIGGIN IDENTITY U THINK U R FAMOUS CUZ OF UR DAD UR WRONG. U ARE NOT USEFUL DOUCHE. DIE
#47. by Xenos3421 (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
What a wanker!
#48. by sener (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
oh God how lame-don't put your's name under someone else's work , cheating bastard
#49. by Helltroll (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
Oh lol.
#50. by shiyo (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
Epic fail! マジかよこれ?
#51. by Spartacus (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 26, 2010
Nick Simmons may be a ripper, but I think he's cool for doing it the way he did it.

Not only has this outcome reached the Bleach Manga author (Kubo Tite), it brought about a dramatic eruption to the fans. More like a comedic laughter.

I think this will just increase 'Nick Simmons' popularity when he publishes a new comic in the future. I doubt this will stain him or his father's reputation as everyone thinks it seems.

Heck, if I were Nick Simmons, I would be proud of myself! lol
#52. by Franggio (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 27, 2010
sigh, all you whine about bleach, no one else realized the Hellsing ripoff?
#53. by blai (Corporate)
Posted on Feb 27, 2010
fail
#54. by Zeltrax (News Writer)
Posted on Feb 27, 2010
kubo's good with his words.
that damn guy is so dumb, luh.
#55. by Ritzzy (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 27, 2010
Nick Simmons is frankly a very untalented fool. Unfortunately this will not only give him a bad name, but also to all the other aspiring manga-artists here in the Americas. It will also be that much harder to get manga into the states because all manga-ka's will be fearful that their work will be stolen. Badly done Nick Simmons, and also the publishing house that actually released the work. I find it hard to believe that they weren't aware of this blatant rip of, of such a recognizable series. Did they really believe no one would ever notice?!
#56. by latinopuro15 (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 27, 2010
damn is all i gotta say.... total rip off of bleachfrom what i see, but then again who cant see the similarities.... damn (shakes head)
#57. by Concetta (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 27, 2010
Holy cow! What a cop-out! Dude! Get your own style and come up with your own poses!
#58. by candy (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 27, 2010
Plagarism at its best...
#59. by thepuregamer (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 27, 2010
I can hardly see how one can call this stealing. In order to steal there must be something to take and it is a known fact that bleach is a worthless manga. Simmons is only hurting himself by picking up inspiration where this is really none to be found. Man, just think if he is also borrowing plot ideas from Kubo, then he would be really screwed because not only would hit manga look similar to a stupid manga but it would also be just as boring to read.
#60. by KayalhawK (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 27, 2010
@puregamer, haha that's funny, but it's still stealing.

I think he's just trying to get attention and we just did it for him by going to his DeviantArt and getting Kubo's attention. But, whatever.
#61. by Queenofmuffins (MH Senpai)
Posted on Feb 27, 2010
Personally, I think some could be considered a coincidence (as in, the one with the girl sitting down with her back to us... that sorta scene would be in many different manga's...)
Others, however, look like a blatent rip-off... such as image #10. Apart from a few things like the scar, they're virtually identical.
#62. by Quetzal (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 27, 2010
I'm not surprised by people ripping off some characters/ideas from other artists. However, after seeing entire pages pages ripped off straight from Bleach I realized how ridiculous this kid really is... Lemme go color some chapters of Bleach and sell em as my own, ROFL.
#63. by rauj13 (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 27, 2010
Way to ignore that probably 50% of all American Comic Book covers are "homage's" and to point this out as plagiarism. Besides, how many mangaka get their start by doing similar stories and art as the ones they were assistants on? But he could have at least copied a GOOD series.
#64. by Action Bastard (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 27, 2010
The bone demon thing looks awfully like a Guana from Abara. I hope Kubo-sensei gets a kajillion dollars. Sue the bitch. But I doubt that would happen since Japan isn't as litigious as America.
#65. by Hainuwele (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 27, 2010
What a complete and utter disgrace. There is noway he'll be able to deny that this isn't plagiarism. Kudos to Kubo for a very polite response. I would have been mad as hell.
#66. by Oxwivi (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 27, 2010
OMG, if anyone knew the popularity of Bleach, a normal person would think twice before copying anything in the first place - is this guy some kinda idiot?
#67. by Ryr (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 27, 2010
It's fairly amusing to see several people trying so hard to defend a thief. Suffice to say that it's a relief to see Incarnate being suspended -- not that it would achieve the popularity enjoyed by Bleach anyway, especially when it already pissed off a big chunk of consumers to whom it was trying to sell in the first place.
#68. by CannedJam (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 27, 2010
Its sad to hear what he did, not because he copied, but because of WHAT he copied. Of all the manga, Bleach? xD
#69. by ivoryshiki (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 27, 2010
http://glittercandy.deviantart.com/art/Art-Thief-Tracing-Tutorial-63084751

(Yes, it's satire, don't worry.)

I think Nick Simmons used this tutorial to make Incarnate. *nod*
#70. by nonky (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 27, 2010
Wow... very interesting matter indeed ^^

i never read Incarnate manga before, and now i'm going to search for it.. just curious.. lol
#71. by Arhazivory (Scanlator)
Posted on Feb 27, 2010
Geez...what an obvious rip-off!
#72. by mangafan.no1 (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 28, 2010
dwell i dont care too much ...cuz bleach its not what it was ...too much fights and no story line....man many ppl are complaining about this ....and im one of them...
#73. by segua (Reviewer)
Posted on Feb 28, 2010
It's said that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery but Mr. Fake-Kubo's artistic talent is extremely lacking. One thing that I do give Fake-Kubo is that he had the audacity to go ahead with what he did. Way to go and ruin yourself.
#74. by Amrai (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 28, 2010
Aside from #12, the biggest hint that he wasn't just copying but tracing were #7, #10 and #11. 80% of the guy's body is correctly proportioned, but the arm on the right is particularly disproportionate, roughly twice the size of the other. Why? Because it was covered by that speech bubble. Wow.
#75. by Kyouraku_Owns_You (Registered User)
Posted on Feb 28, 2010
I'm surprised the fans got so pissed about this while Kubo doesn't even care.
#76. by ◆ T.D.A ◆ (Banned)
Posted on Feb 28, 2010
You know what's funny, scanlators/readers bashing Nick Simmons for copying when we are all involved in helping and producing illegal scans of chapters which hurt Kubo as well if not more than what Nick Simmons is doing, who is hardly taking much money from Kubo, on the other hand...
#77. by TeAm#7FoReVer (Registered User)
Posted on Mar 1, 2010
Itachi: You lack of.... originality.
#78. by deffkryz (Registered User)
Posted on Mar 1, 2010
It took me some time to calm down (though I'm not a Bleach fan) - I only have one question: An US comic publisher didn't neither know Bleach nor did a check on recent other development on the comic market? In that land where you can sue Starbucks for actually serving hot coffee?

C'mon that publisher has been founded two or three years ago as independent label, and now everybody knows it, because a celebrity's son copied Bleach - just watch what they've been publishing so far. I don't say they did this on purpose - but it stinks to high heaven. At least it's good PR for Radical Comics whose parent company is named "Blatant Entertainment".

@TDA: Sure illegal is illegal - but that guy made money out of it.
#79. by rotarydialz (Registered User)
Posted on Mar 1, 2010
I have to wonder if he isn't just scanning or copying basic outlines and layouts before filling in like a coloring book. Is the guy actually an artist? His book is over. He didn't have legal consent to copy. If Kubo doesn't sue him, Viz Media will certainly go after him.
#80. by zero_nmc (Registered User)
Posted on Mar 1, 2010
malditos americanos, plajeros -.-
#81. by joshua019 (Registered User)
Posted on Mar 2, 2010
hahaha................... anyone who see this wud think it is a definite plagiarism
#82. by Aikidoka (Registered User)
Posted on Mar 3, 2010
Nick Simmons released a statement just two days ago:

"Like most artists I am inspired by work I admire. There are certain similarities between some of my work and the work of others. This was simply meant as an homage to artists I respect, and I definitely want to apologize to any Manga fans or fellow Manga artists who feel I went too far. My inspirations reflect the fact that certain fundamental imagery is common to all Manga. This is the nature of the medium. I am a big fan of Bleach, as well as other Manga titles. And I am certainly sorry if anyone was offended or upset by what they perceive to be the similarity between my work and the work of artists that I admire and who inspire me."

Original sources:
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/01/comic-book-creator-accused-of-plagiarism/
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-03-01/incarnate-simmons-addresses-alleged-bleach-copying

Looking at the overlays, it's obvious that Simmons did plagiarize but it's innocent till proven guilty here. Until this is settled in court, Simmons will very likely not admit to plagiarizing from Kubo.

This is huge and it's something that has to be addressed, not just with Kubo and Simmons but about art and plagiarism in general. Kubo or his representative in court should get a good lawyer who can express the anger that we all feel in our hearts to the jury and judge. And I do think Kubo should go to court on this.
#83. by Toobi (Registered User)
Posted on Mar 3, 2010
he should better have called this Comic/manga? American BLEASH, or put some credits to recognize the work of Kudo, what a ridiculous copy!
#84. by Toobi (Registered User)
Posted on Mar 3, 2010
haha he may think "this is the perfect crime :3"
#85. by Octto (Registered User)
Posted on Mar 4, 2010
It's outrageous!

Bleach is really a great mangá... one of the best in terms of draw, characters design and organization of the scenes. I can understand that someone use this work as a reference to do a totally original work... Like Hiro Mashima does with One Piece (XD don't shoot me!!!), but his works are really great and have its own identity!!

But it is exactlly the same as Tite Kubo's magificent work. It could not be accepted... I refuse to see him as an artist. ¬¬*
#86. by HASJ (Registered User)
Posted on Mar 5, 2010
He thought no one would notice?
Retardness at its best.
#87. by Syaoran Li (Registered User)
Posted on Mar 6, 2010
At least he's not doing Sonic-recolored sprites as well
#88. by Katea (Registered User)
Posted on Mar 8, 2010
wow... in #7 the girl looks just like Inuoe..
#89. by Lsshin (Intl Translator)
Posted on Mar 21, 2010
Incarnate

Synopsis

The production and distribution of this title is currently on hold. We sincerely appreciate your understanding.
Creator: Nick Simmons
Writer : Nick Simmons
Penciller : Nick Simmons
Inker : Matt Dalton
Colorist: Brian Buccellato
Assistant Artists: Nam Kim, Ben Harvey & Shi Hua Wong of STUDIO IL
Letterer: Rob Steen

I'm glad to hear this XD

but hey as a rock legend's son you don't have that many otaku friends so one night you wondering around the internet and run into the world of Bleach and everyone who you ask about doesn't know squad about it, you start getting ideas i can't blame him he has grown up in the shadow of his father so it is only natural that he would do as much as possible to get his own shine we all acting in hate but if you think about it, put yourselves in his shoes, never read manga in your life but yes comics and think you got talent and want to shine, here is your biggest opportunity, he probably has never seen a single Bleach book in English

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