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Hamas is like the unofficial army of palestine they just defend it same as Hizb allah who stoped bombarding israel when they stoped attacking lebanon n left it in peace, Hamas will do the same if israel stop it's cruel atacks and back of from palestine.
White phosphorus not phosphorus and it's forbiden in wars.
Oh my f***ing God.

Do you subscribe to Mangashare's Naruto theories? Because you seen to pick the facts that suit your view and ignore everything else.

Israel's bombing of Southern Lebanon was triggered by Hezbollah crossing the border (pay attention now, they crossed the Israel-Lebanon border) and kidnapped two Israeli soldiers. Here's the article. Note that even though Israel held up their part of the deal and withdrew from Southern Lebanon (don't talk about Ghajar. That was captured in 1967. That's part of a whole different dispute)

And please read the posts carefully. No one is enjoying Israel's action. Just airing our opinions on the situation.
 

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are u an ignorant or what ???
Hezbollah kidnapped the israelian soldiers to make israel relase his and they did the exchange .
plz don't talk to me based on what american/israelian media says turn al jazzera English and watch some real news whatch what's happening on the real world not the fake stories they make up for u <.<
I can't really discuss this with some blind ppl who just want to see things the way they want n refuse to accept what's happening on the real world .
 

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Well if you live in England you can get access to Al-Jazeera English.
 

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are u an ignorant or what ???
Hezbollah kidnapped the israelian soldiers to make israel relase his and they did the exchange .
plz don't talk to me based on what american/israelian media says turn al jazzera English and watch some real news whatch what's happening on the real world not the fake stories they make up for u <.<
I can't really discuss this with some blind ppl who just want to see things the way they want n refuse to accept what's happening on the real world .
Ah. So in which country is it legal to cross the border into another country and kidnap citizens of that country. The sad thing is from the tone of your post you don't only consider that ok, its comes across as a piece of genius.
 

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OMG u said it ur self
So in which country is it legal to cross the border into another country and kidnap citizens of that country.
Israel did it with lebanon and palestine there is 9,300 Arab Detainees in the Israeli Priosns how do u explain that ??
 

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Oh my f***ing God.

Do you subscribe to Mangashare's Naruto theories? Because you seen to pick the facts that suit your view and ignore everything else.

Israel's bombing of Southern Lebanon was triggered by Hezbollah crossing the border (pay attention now, they crossed the Israel-Lebanon border) and kidnapped two Israeli soldiers. Here's the article. Note that even though Israel held up their part of the deal and withdrew from Southern Lebanon (don't talk about Ghajar. That was captured in 1967. That's part of a whole different dispute)

And please read the posts carefully. No one is enjoying Israel's action. Just airing our opinions on the situation.
Israel is taking people's lands and you think that they should move on and forget about it ? you only say that because it's not happening to your country. I think that every country has the right to defend its lands if necessary. Israel dosn't have a land in the first place ... it's just an intruder in the area ...
you guys are all affected by bad media.
You shouldn't believe all what u see on TV... u better listen to all sides first before making a judgment.

All I can say now is that the loser is those poor people who lose their families in the war. Dont try to justify Israel deeds. Cuz they are bad GODDAMN BAD.

Palestine in the other hand is not full of saints. But human rights come first.
 
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Israel is taking people's lands and you think that they should move on and forget about it ? you only say that because it's not happening to your country. I think that every country has the right to defend its lands if necessary. Israel dosn't have a land in the first place ... it's just an intruder in the area ...
you guys are all affected by bad media.
You shouldn't believe all what u see on TV... u better listen to all sides first before making a judgment.

All I can say now is that the loser is those poor people who lose their families in the war. Dont try to justify Israel deeds. Cuz they are bad GODDAMN BAD.

Palestine in the other hand is not full of saints. But human rights come first.
Oh, please, for god's sake.... study some History before saying that....
 

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Few points I would like to point out


  • 1. The Land of Israel, known in Hebrew as Eretz Yisrael, has been sacred to the Jewish people since Biblical times.
    According to the traditional view, around the 11th century BCE, the first of a series of Israelite kingdoms and states established rule over the region; these Israelite kingdoms and states ruled intermittently for the following one thousand years

  • 2. The reason why Israel is so important for the jewish people is because sites holiest to Judaism are located within Israel. Jeruzalem for example. Jerusalem has been the holiest city in Judaism and the spiritual center of the Jewish people since the 10th century BCE.

  • 3. Today, the status of Jerusalem remains one of the core issues in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Israel's annexation of East Jerusalem has been repeatedly condemned by the United Nations and related bodies, and Palestinians foresee East Jerusalem as the capital of their future state.


To sum it up: The region originaly belonged to the jewish people to begin with, it was after conquests from Muslims and many others that the jewish people were forced to leave their homes (this has been repeated over and over in history : spain, ukraine, hitler (holocaust) and so on. Throughout history, many rulers, empires and nations have oppressed their Jewish populations or sought to eliminate them entirely.

Having such a history is quite shocking. Note: I'm not saying their actions of war and violence is good but I can understand where it comes from, but I do not approve it.

All they want is to have a safe home for their people and their children.
If you look at the history they have had, I sure wish it to them.
Yet the palestinian see it as their land beeing taken away from them.
It was never their land to begin with, nor does it belong to anyone.
Do you honestly believe that any region, land or nation has been formed purely by peace and not war? Every land has its bloody history of conquest or whatever , is it your land if you conquer it ? It's for everyone, but shame people try to call it their own as soon they conquer it. Real shame ...

I'm not pro Israel or anti palestina btw before I get such a reply, I'm just stating the history and my opinion on it. I don't cheer for one side but for both and hope an agreement ever can be made, though I highly doubt its possible aslong their mindsets dont change.
 

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WARNING TO ALL INVOLVED:

Please act like mature people in this thread while discussing this topic and don't attack each other nor make direct accusations, wild or not. Yes, I know the subject may be highly controversial but there's no need to act like fools. This thread will be watched in order to ensure everybody is on their best behavior. Those who aren't in control of themselves may find themselves incapable of accessing Mangahelpers.com at all temporarily or even permanently. I hope you guys understand and adjust your attitude accordingly.

[For a good example of a post that's well-written and which doesn't offend anybody, you just have to look above me. Teekuh did a good job.]

Thanks.
 
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Israeli shelling kills dozens at UN school in Gaza

The civilian death toll in Gaza increased dramatically today, with reports of more than 40 Palestinians killed after missiles exploded outside a UN school where hundreds of people were sheltering from the continuing Israeli offensive.

Two Israeli tank shells struck the school in Jabaliya refugee camp, spraying shrapnel on people inside and outside the building, according to news agency reports.

The medical director of the hospital in Jabaliya told the Guardian 41 bodies had been brought in so far and more could be on the way. Reuters journalists filmed bodies scattered on the ground amid pools of blood and torn shoes and clothes. A donkey lay on the ground in its own blood.

In addition to the dead, several dozen people were wounded, hospital officials said. The Israeli military said it was looking into the reports.

Elsewehere at least 12 members of an extended family, including seven young children, were killed in an air strike on their house in Gaza City. The bodies of the Daya family were pulled from the rubble of a house in Gaza city's Zeitoun district after it was hit by two Israeli missiles. The dead included seven children aged from one to 12 years, three women and two men. Nine other people were believed to be trapped in the rubble.

Hours earlier, three young men – all cousins – died when the Israelis bombed another UN school, the Asma primary school in Gaza City. They were among about 400 people who sought shelter there after fleeing their homes in Beit Lahiya in northern Gaza.

The UN, which said the school was clearly marked, said it was "strongly protesting these killings to the Israeli authorities and is calling for an immediate and impartial investigation".

"Where it is found that international humanitarian law has been violated, those responsible must be held to account. Under international law, installations such as schools, health centres and UN facilities should be protected from attack. Well before the current fighting, the UN had given to the Israeli authorities the GPS co-ordinates of all its installations in Gaza, including Asma elementary school."

The killings take the total toll in Palestinian lives since the Israelis launched their assault on the Gaza Strip 11 days ago to above 600. Doctors at Gaza hospitals say that at least one-fifth of the victims are children and a large number of women are among the dead.

Israel continues to insist that the bulk of those killed are Hamas and Islamic Jihad fighters, although its claim to be going to extraordinary lengths to target only "terrorists" has been undermined by one of its own tanks firing on a building being used by Israeli troops, killing four.

The sharp spike in the number of civilian casualties came as Israeli troops and tanks moved into Gaza's second largest city, Khan Younis, for the first time today, supported by intensive artillery strikes as the military pledged to press on with its attack.The heaviest fighting has been in northern Gaza, with witnesses reporting wave after wave of bombing strikes across the north of the territory accompanied by gunfire from helicopters and artillery from land and sea. Thousands of Palestinians have been ordered to leave their homes or forced to flee the fighting.

In Shajaiyeh, east of Gaza City, Israeli troops seized control of three apartment blocks and set up gun positions on the rooftops. Residents were locked in their homes and soldiers confiscated their mobile phones, neighbours said.

Three of the four Israeli soldiers killed by friendly fire died when a tank mistakenly fired on a building where the soldiers had taken up positions. There was heavy artillery fire to cover the evacuation of 24 soldiers who were injured, including the commander of the Golani infantry brigade, one of Israel's key fighting forces.

Israel's defence minister, Ehud Barak, said his country's troops would continue their operation despite mounting Palestinian casualties and growing international calls for a ceasefire.

"Hamas has so far sustained a very heavy blow from us, but we have yet to achieve our objective, and therefore the operation continues," Barak said.

The Israeli foreign minister, Tzipi Livni, said the offensive was intended to change permanently the shape of Israel's conflict with Hamas. "When Israel is targeted, Israel is going to retaliate," she said. Israel has rejected calls for a ceasefire.

The military said it had bombed more smuggling tunnels across the border with Egypt, in the south, and hit more than 40 other sites across Gaza including buildings storing weapons and rocket launching areas.

In Gaza, Mahmoud Zahar, the most senior leader of Hamas in the strip and a hardliner in the movement, appeared on the party's al-Aqsa television station and gave a defiant speech threatening attacks not only in Gaza but elsewhere.

"The Zionists have legitimised the killing of their children by killing our children. They have legitimised the killing of their people all over the world by killing our people," Zahar said. He urged Hamas fighters to "crush your enemy".

Another Hamas figure, a recognised military spokesman called Abu Ubaida, said thousands of Hamas fighters were waiting in Gaza to take on the Israeli military, and that rocket attacks would increase. More than 40 were fired into southern Israel yesterday, including one that landed in an empty kindergarten, which, like all schools near the Gaza border, has been closed since the conflict began.. Israeli police said a total of 520 rockets had been fired in the past 11 days of fighting.

Israeli troops are now deployed in and around the major urban areas of Gaza, particularly to the north, in Beit Hanoun, Beit Lahiya and Jabaliya. Using leaflets, telephone calls and radio announcements, they have ordered residents in many areas to leave their homes, forcing at least 15,000 Palestinians to flee to safety elsewhere. At least 5,000 are staying in 11 different UN schools and shelters.

The UN said more than 1 million Gazans were still without electricity or water and that it was increasingly difficult for staff to distribute aid or reach the injured. It said more industrial diesel was needed to reopen the strip's sole power plant, which has been shut for a week. Ten transformers have been damaged in the fighting.

More wheat grain is needed for food handouts, and the UN said Karni, the main commercial crossing, should be reopened to allow it in. Four ambulances and three mobile clinics were destroyed when bombs hit the headquarters of the Union of Health Care Committees in Gaza City.

John Holmes, the UN emergency relief coordinator, said Gaza represented an "increasingly alarming" humanitarian crisis, and that the territory was running low on clean water, power, food, medicine and other supplies since Israel began its offensive. Israeli leaders claim there is no humanitarian crisis.

The link also has a video: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/06/gaza-israel-death-un
 

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Well if you live in England you can get access to Al-Jazeera English.









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The USA land belongs to the native indians. does that give them the right to come now and take it by force again? (actually they cant because they don't exist anymore <.<) USA people wont agree with that because it doesnt make sens.
I think this is my last post in this thread.
good luck and have fun.
 

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The USA land belongs to the native indians. does that give them the right to come now and take it by force again? (actually they cant because they don't exist anymore <.<) USA people wont agree with that because it doesnt make sens.
I think this is my last post in this thread.
good luck and have fun.
I am sorry Shin, truly am... but the way you posted before really made me go 'blind' and I posted in that way. I should have sumarized as Teekuh did.
Concerning the indians you mentioned, well there are not many left - most of them were killed.
The remain population lives in specific areas, conserving part of their culture and most of the time respecting the USA's law (or at least that is what I heard in my school).
About indians here in Brazil, there is still struggle to define their areas, they do use their weapons- though it is far from being a threat to the Brazil's government and we really try to solve problems without having to resort to violence (nowadays, at least).
The little bit I did not like is the 'have fun'... this is far from being an argument which we can have fun at all...
 
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3 hour ceasefire a day is a start, but it's still far from enough time to help ease the humanitarian crisis.
 

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the good thing to hear about that is Hamas are said to have said they will ceasetheir fire too.
Now if both sides ouldthink a step further and build playgrounds instead of weapons <.<
 

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The little bit I did not like is the 'have fun'... this is far from being an argument which we can have fun at all...
I know I said that will be my last post in this thread but I wanted to answer you before going :)
The reason I said "have fun" is because it seemed to me, and I think you know what I mean, that some people in the first part of this thread were like:
Oh! omg ^^ Israel almost got Hamas! they are so close! <.< as if what's happening is a football match. these are the ones whom I said have fun to.

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Destroying Hamas is a good thing.
 

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Destroying the army of israel is better :)
 

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Now its just getting childish. The two posts before T.D.A I mean.
 
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