Match Tachibana vs Tezuka

Who would win in a match?


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Who would win? This match-up was not played in season 1, which is a shame. My vote goes to Tachibana. I think he could take him. Tachibana is probably the most underrated character, even though he is a freaking beast.
 
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I'm going with Tachibana. He still hasn't ever gone all out (since he was holding back against Chitose).

I really hope we get a chance to see Tachibana go all out and not have to hold back, because he's got an insane amount of potential. I think a match between the two of them would probably be incredibly close, but I give Tachibana the slight edge.
 

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I'd have to go with Tezuka with the current known abilities and power levels.

Tezuka simply has more abilities and is overall known to be one of the strongest players thus far. We've really only seen Tachibana in a single match and he didn't do very much in it. I think with some development Tachibana has a good chance at reaching Tezuka's levels, but with what we currently know my vote has to go to Tezuka
 

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I'm going with Tachibana. He still hasn't ever gone all out (since he was holding back against Chitose).

I really hope we get a chance to see Tachibana go all out and not have to hold back, because he's got an insane amount of potential. I think a match between the two of them would probably be incredibly close, but I give Tachibana the slight edge.
Life is hard sometimes. Holding back is his own fault, not giving people a chance to accurately judge his abilities. As Tachibana looks now, Tezuka pulls out a nice sized win. No blowout, but convincing.
 

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Life is hard sometimes. Holding back is his own fault, not giving people a chance to accurately judge his abilities. As Tachibana looks now, Tezuka pulls out a nice sized win. No blowout, but convincing.
Of course it's his own 'fault' that he held back, I'm just pointing out that he's pretty damn good. He and Tezuka are both above Chitose's level, the question is just by how much.
 

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You guys watch Tachibana make Tezuka look silly in PoT2.

Sequel = All minor characters which have a large fanbase, get a superboost in ability.

Translation? Tachibana WILL be on Tezuka's level.
 

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Tachibana < Chitose < Tezuka.

This logic works by PoT standards.
 

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Tachibana < Chitose < Tezuka.

This logic works by PoT standards.
Except Tachibana>Chitose. Remember, Tachibana was intentionally holding back in his match against Chitose.
 

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Tachibana < Chitose < Tezuka.

This logic works by PoT standards.
That is wrong, and will NEVER work for PoT standards.

That is like saying Tachibana < Kirihara < Fuji

Which is also wrong, because Tachibana destroyed Fuji before the nationals.

Tachibana > Chitose
Tezuka > Chitose

Just because someone wins against someone, doesn't make them better. Echizen was certainly not better than Sanada in the Kantou finals lol
 

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It works as long as the player doesn't improve. At that certain point, even Fuji would have destroyed Tachibana.

Btw, a players talent isn't what determines who is the better player. Just look at reality. There's no doubt that Federer is more talanted than Nadal overall. However, Nadal is much more consistent, has much more willpower and always plays his best. And thats makes him the better player, with the outcome as proof.

If players like Tachibana and Sanda loses becauses they refuses to play with the best of their ability, then they lost to a better player still. Because on the court all that matters in the end is who won and who lost.
 

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Btw, a players talent isn't what determines who is the better player. Just look at reality. There's no doubt that Federer is more talanted than Nadal overall. However, Nadal is much more consistent, has much more willpower and always plays his best. And thats makes him the better player, with the outcome as proof.

If players like Tachibana and Sanda loses becauses they refuses to play with the best of their ability, then they lost to a better player still. Because on the court all that matters in the end is who won and who lost.
No, it is not a matter of who wins and who loses. Potential is what matters.

Renji lost to Inui. Renji had a very high potential, and look what happened in the Nationals.

Sanada lost to Echizen. Sanada had a very high potential, and look what happened to Tezuka.

Tachibana lost to Kirihara. Tachibana had very high potential, and look what happened to Fuji.

In an anime like this, the character with the most potential, will be the better player. Potential is not how many matches you win, but how skilled the player really can be, if played to the maximum ability level.

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Sanada's Potential.

If Sanada didn't keep using Lightning against Tezuka when it kept going out, and used Forest sooner, he would have 6-0'd Tezuka. The only reason he didn't, was because he was stubborn, and kept trying to win using his own way, instead of the best and most effective way to win. That is potential.
 
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Well, as an tennis player myself for more than 15 years I have to say that I agree with Neru. In reality nobody in a team competition cares if the player from the other club held back or just played bad. It simply doesnt matter. Because on the court everything matters what happens right there: your mood that day, the food you have eaten on breakfast, how much water you have consumed and will before and during the match, the surface, the weather, a little bit of luck; the list is almost endless. But one of the things that doesnt matter is the past or what might happen next day. Of course your potential matters, but if you cannot use it at its fullest and your opponent can and thus wins, he was the better player THAT day! Do you think the other team cares if I say "hey, I maybe lost today 2-6 1-6, but I could have beaten him 6-0 6-0 if I wanted" ? They wouldnt even laugh.

I too think Federer has more talent, but Nadal wins and thats why he is the better player. If you chose to bet your money on an outcome you may go by potentail.

And if Sanada would have lost because of his stubborness, Tezkua would have been the better player. And "better" just means anything, even attitude and how much you care for your teams sake. If he chose the wrong attitude because he must by all means crush Tezuka and loses because of this its his own fault and hes the worse player.

Of course thats only goes by reality... if you now say "hey, its a manga and thats why [....]" you could actually be right :D. ;)
 
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I don't dispute that it 'doesn't matter' that Tachibana was holding back, in terms of his match of Chitose.

What I'm arguing is that he's a better player overall, so I think he would probably win against Tezuka if he was going all out.
 

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Well, as an tennis player myself for more than 15 years I have to say that I agree with Neru. In reality nobody in a team competition cares if the player from the other club held back or just played bad. It simply doesnt matter. Because on the court everything matters what happens right there: your mood that day, the food you have eaten on breakfast, how much water you have consumed and will before and during the match, the surface, the weather, a little bit of luck; the list is almost endless. But one of the things that doesnt matter is the past or what might happen next day. Of course your potential matters, but if you cannot use it at its fullest and your opponent can and thus wins, he was the better player THAT day! Do you think the other team cares if I say "hey, I maybe lost today 2-6 1-6, but I could have beaten him 6-0 6-0 if I wanted" ? They wouldnt even laugh.

I too think Federer has more talent, but Nadal wins and thats why he is the better player. If you chose to bet your money on an outcome you may go by potentail.

And if Sanada would have lost because of his stubborness, Tezkua would have been the better player. And "better" just means anything, even attitude and how much you care for your teams sake. If he chose the wrong attitude because he must by all means crush Tezuka and loses because of this its his own fault and hes the worse player.

Of course thats only goes by reality... if you now say "hey, its a manga and thats why [....]" you could actually be right :D. ;)
This isn't real tennis. It is a manga. Nobody cares about who won in the manga. It is all a matter of HOW they won.
 

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As long as you base ur opinion on the manga its fine with me. I just thought I clear out any misunderstandings ;) because Neru gave the Nadal Federer example and I wasnt entierly sure if your no was going in this direction or not.

On topic: I would go with Tezuka winning the first set by using Phantom and his special serve, but overall Tachibanas Power will prevail in the following sets (if they are playing a regular match and not this best-of-one set garbage) because Tezukas arm will hurt from putting too much spin on the ball. Also Tezuka is more the calm type of player and I dont think that he would go as far as against Sanada if he doesnt compete for his team/the promise he made with Oishi etc. So if he plays for just himself he might not even use Phantom. As for Tachibana I guess that he absolutly wants to have a match with Tezuka and thus would definatly go all out.
 
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Sanada's Potential.

If Sanada didn't keep using Lightning against Tezuka when it kept going out, and used Forest sooner, he would have 6-0'd Tezuka. The only reason he didn't, was because he was stubborn, and kept trying to win using his own way, instead of the best and most effective way to win. That is potential.
Potential, is it? Sanada's potential was held back by his pride. And Tezuka's potential ( which is way beyond Sanada's if you ask me ) was held back by his injury. Was that what you meant with potential?
 
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Potential, is it? Sanada's potential was held back by his pride. And Tezuka's potential ( which is way beyond Sanada's if you ask me ) was held back by his injury. Was that what you meant with potential?
I agree with, all characters have great potential but something fundamental holds them back, Sanada's is pride, Tezuka's is injury, Fuji's is lack of motivation etc etc

Also Fayt i don't think Sanada could bageled Tezuka with lightning....i think his legs would have gave in before that

As for who wins?

Lets see...Tachibana holds back and he and Chitose still have close match 7-5

Tezuka on the other hand practically bagels Chitose after he stops screwing around...

I'm going to use real tennis logic...Tezuka being a counterpunching all courter would love an opponent like Tachibana aggressive he would likely get him to draw the error or punish him with Hyakuren i doubled Abari dama would be deadly

Don't see Tachibana returning the Zero shiki serve....he doesn't have Sanada's firepower don't picture him forcefully breaking the Tezuka zone only Emperor Genichiro has managed that feat


I'd say....a 7-6 or 7-5 in Tezukas favor

Irrelevant but whenever i play PoT Smash hit as Tezuka against Tachibana i usually barely win 6-4 (basically breaking him once)
 
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I agree with, all characters have great potential but something fundamental holds them back, Sanada's is pride, Tezuka's is injury, Fuji's is lack of motivation etc etc

Also Fayt i don't think Sanada could bageled Tezuka with lightning....i think his legs would have gave in before that

As for who wins?

Lets see...Tachibana holds back and he and Chitose still have close match 7-5

Tezuka on the other hand practically bagels Chitose after he stops screwing around...

I'm going to use real tennis logic...Tezuka being a counterpunching all courter would love an opponent like Tachibana aggressive he would likely get him to draw the error or punish him with Hyakuren i doubled Abari dama would be deadly

Don't see Tachibana returning the Zero shiki serve....he doesn't have Sanada's firepower don't picture him forcefully breaking the Tezuka zone only Emperor Genichiro has managed that feat


I'd say....a 7-6 or 7-5 in Tezukas favor

Irrelevant but whenever i play PoT Smash hit as Tezuka against Tachibana i usually barely win 6-4 (basically breaking him once)
Sanada wouldn't need to spam Rai. If he simply did it for the first 4 games until Tezuka made up his Phantom, then switched to Rin, like he did after spamming it 50 more times, he would have won easily. What is Tezuka going to do? Tezuka zone was already defeated by Sanada's "Ka," and Phantom was defeated by Sanada's "Rin." Tezuka's zero-shiki serve was defeated by Sanada's "KaRinRai" so what is Tezuka going to do? If he wanted to, Sanada could beat him 6-0, easily.

As for Tachibana, remember what he did against Fuji? He returned all of his counters, just like Shiraishi. Not only did he return Tsubame Gaeshi, he returned it FROM THE GROUND. Shiraishi returned it in the air, before it hit the ground. Tachibana is a perfect all rounder, just like Shiraishi.

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PoT is sort of like real Tennis A beats B Beats C but C can Beat A

You can't use that kind hypothetical with a manga for an event that already happened

Using logic you can say Sanada could have 6-0 Tezuka...but he didn't because thats not what Konomi wanted it's not like a real match where this type of logic is possible, since it's a manga the match's course went the way Konomi wanted it to. He could have easily just gave Tezuka a broken move too to make the match even, if anything it should have been an exchange of service games with a breaker in the end but it's not up to me it's up to Konomi. If he wanted Sanada to bagel him he would have done so.

Tezuka screws around in his matches too much saving trump cards till the end rather than the beginning, Sanada came out with Rai within his opening service game, Tezuka has a counter for Rai and instead drops four straight games before using his own trump card.

KaRinRai was a secret trump card i don't picture him being able to spam that

It was a close match that could have gone either, had the net cord ball landed in Sanada's court he'd have been screwed it would have have either been a withdraw or a no game

As for Fuji...that was pre-nationals Fuji in a scrimage not a real match we've seen anime and manga versions of how Tezuka would handle Fuji's counters

And according to Fuji himself Tezuka (had it been the real thing) would have won with four aces in a row from his Zero Shiki serve
 

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Tezuka screws around in his matches too much saving trump cards till the end rather than the beginning
The Tezuka Phantom was not a trump card. He made it up on the spot, because he was sucking up the court. It's not like he was planning on doing it. He himself said it was impossible, when Echizen asked him about it, months before. He had nothing else to throw at Sanada, but the very thing he never tried. Rai was Sanada's trump card, because he had it since the Nationals started.

As for Shadow, Personally, I believe Sanada created this technique to counter Chitose's play style. Sanada knew Chitose had PGW up his sleeve, and it could have been trouble. It was in Sanada's favor when Tezuka took the very move from Chitose, that Sanada was prepared for.
 
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