Match Tachibana vs Tezuka

[Atobe the king]

The Tezuka Phantom was not a trump card. He made it up on the spot, because he was sucking up the court. It's not like he was planning on doing it. He himself said it was impossible, when Echizen asked him about it, months before. He had nothing else to throw at Sanada, but the very thing he never tried. Rai was Sanada's trump card, because he had it since the Nationals started.

As for Shadow, Personally, I believe Sanada created this technique to counter Chitose's play style. Sanada knew Chitose had PGW up his sleeve, and it could have been trouble. It was in Sanada's favor when Tezuka took the very move from Chitose, that Sanada was prepared for.

Agreed on the Chitose part because they did play Shitenhouji last year, an rematch wouldn't have been out of the question, but Yuki said Sanada held these attacks at bay for a possible rematch with Tezuka

Also I don't think he invented phantom on the spot, saying something like "If it's unreturnable then i shouldn't have to" leads me to believe he had phantom for a while but it was something he never hoped to use sort of like a last resort like KaRinRai

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I was going to say Tezuka, but then...

You guys watch Tachibana make Tezuka look silly in PoT2.

Sequel = All minor characters which have a large fanbase, get a superboost in ability.

Translation? Tachibana WILL be on Tezuka's level.

You, sir, are right.
PopularityPower will make Tachibana stronger.

But we must also consider the RuleOfDrama. Depending on how dramatic the match is for Tezuka, Tezuka can win.

 

[Fayte]

I was going to say Tezuka, but then...


You, sir, are right.
PopularityPower will make Tachibana stronger.

But we must also consider the RuleOfDrama. Depending on how dramatic the match is for Tezuka, Tezuka can win.

RuleOfWins >= RuleOfDrama

Tachibana
National matches: 1
-Lost against Chitose.

Tezuka
National Matches: 3
-won against Kite
-won against Chitose
-lost against Sanada

In the "RuleOfWins," Tachibana has much more to show us than Tezuka does, giving him the edge for improvement.

 

[DavenSodan]

As for Tachibana, remember what he did against Fuji? He returned all of his counters, just like Shiraishi. Not only did he return Tsubame Gaeshi, he returned it FROM THE GROUND. Shiraishi returned it in the air, before it hit the ground. Tachibana is a perfect all rounder, just like Shiraishi.

http://image.onemanga.com/002/mangas/00000009/00000243/10.jpg
lol@higuma otoshi
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Err, if you watch the chapter again you will notice that Tachibanas ball hit the net and didnt go over when he tried to return the 1st Counter. Even though, Fuji said after the match was stoped that all his counters were broken now.

On a personal note, I like Shiraishis style more, because he actually thinks about how to return a special shot. Tachibana just uses brutal strength which is cool but seen too much.

 

[Atobe the king]

On a personal note, I like Shiraishis style more, because he actually thinks about how to return a special shot. Tachibana just uses brutal strength which is cool but seen too much.

Its because he wastes no movements and uses common sense...the counters have been beaten before, i believe Kirihara broke Tsubame Gaeshi with the same mentality.

anyway yea he returned it with common sense...ironically Shiraishi's method of returning the counters is the same way you return fuji's counters in PoT video games, Hit Tsubame Gaeshi before it lands, smash hakuge while it's flying up, shiraishi destroyed higuma otoshi though because his smash was too powerful

 

[Fayte]

shiraishi destroyed higuma otoshi though because his smash was too powerful

Tachibana already did it, so it shouldn't be a shock. Not only did he do it, he put a hole in Fuji's racquet, by a simple smash.

 

[Atobe the king]

Tachibana already did it, so it shouldn't be a shock. Not only did he do it, he put a hole in Fuji's racquet, by a simple smash.

Fuji still managed to get the ball over, Shiraishi's smash blew the racket away and the won the point

 

[Fayte]

Fuji still managed to get the ball over, Shiraishi's smash blew the racket away and the won the point

He won the point because Tachibana didn't care to return it and get the point for himself. Fuji didn't have another racquet, so the game ended.

 

[Atobe the king]

He won the point because Tachibana didn't care to return it and get the point for himself. Fuji didn't have another racquet, so the game ended.

I didn't mean Fuji won the point against Tachibana i meant Shiraishi Blew the racket away and won the point in one motion, Despite tachibana's power Fuji still managed to get the Ball over the net

 

[Fayte]

I didn't mean Fuji won the point against Tachibana i meant Shiraishi Blew the racket away and won the point in one motion, Despite tachibana's power Fuji still managed to get the Ball over the net

It was a fluke lol. Same thing with Tezuka returning Sanada's KaRinRai. Nothing but a lotto shot. Will never happen again.

 

[Atobe the king]

It was a fluke lol. Same thing with Tezuka returning Sanada's KaRinRai. Nothing but a lotto shot. Will never happen again.

Lol there are no flukes in this series i remember Sanada saying The COOL drive was a fluke...

After Fuji hit cordballs at will BLIND during has match with Nio i stopped believing in Flukes in this series

But anyway this is supposed to be Tezuka VS Tachibana so i guess we shouldn't discuss Fji/Shiraishi anymore

 

[Fayte]

Lol there are no flukes in this series

Okay so Tachibana keeps owning Fuji's racquets, and then Fuji runs out of them, so he needs to be disqualified. Tachibana wins regardless, so it is meaningless to say anything more than what the reality is.

 

[Atobe the king]

Okay so Tachibana keeps owning Fuji's racquets, and then Fuji runs out of them, so he needs to be disqualified. Tachibana wins regardless, so it is meaningless to say anything more than what the reality is.

How is this reality? your being hypothetically biased...Fuji was just testing his mettle he isn't so much of an idiot to keep trying a Higuma Otoshi

 

[Fayte]

How is this reality? your being hypothetically biased...Fuji was just testing his mettle he isn't so much of an idiot to keep trying a Higuma Otoshi

I am never biased in my predictions.

 

[Dansan1]

Um...you are ALWAYS biased in your predictions. The mere act of prediction outside of including prophecy in the definition always includes bias.

On a side note I want to correct a fact that I've seen posted a few times.

Tachibana did not break all of Fuji's counters(I believe he could break all of the those three, it just didn't happen). He broke Higuma Otoshi. He failed to return Tsubame Gaeshi over the net and Fuji didn't hit Hakugei. I think this mis-quote comes from chapter 244 page 17 when Fuji says that all three counters have been broken. Fuji was saying that all have been broken in general and that they wouldn't be enough for the nationals.


Also it's impossible to say how current Fuji vs. current Tachibana or current anybody vs current anybody would do with 100% certainty as this is a manga. So saying this situation that did not or has not happened is reality is really silly. What happened happened and we don't know what hasn't happened yet.

Our mangaka could develop any player to be better than another merely by choice. He does not have to consult with the characters first. He invented them.

By the way I'd vote Tezuka. 6-4 or 7-5

 

[Fayte]

Um...you are ALWAYS biased in your predictions. The mere act of prediction outside of including prophecy in the definition always includes bias.


Tachibana did not break all of Fuji's counters(I believe he could break all of the those three, it just didn't happen). He broke Higuma Otoshi. He failed to return Tsubame Gaeshi over the net and Fuji didn't hit Hakugei. I think this mis-quote comes from chapter 244 page 17 when Fuji says that all three counters have been broken. Fuji was saying that all have been broken in general and that they wouldn't be enough for the nationals.


Also it's impossible to say how current Fuji vs. current Tachibana or current anybody vs current anybody would do with 100% certainty as this is a manga. So saying this situation that did not or has not happened is reality is really silly. What happened happened and we don't know what hasn't happened yet.

It isn't bias if you simply look at the facts like I do. You obviously misread my posts.

Tachibana DID break all of Fuji's counters. That's why Fuji said it. Why? How? Simple.

"Why didn't Fuji use Tsubame Gaeshi again, if Tachibana didn't hit it over the net?"

Because Fuji knew it would be useless against Tachibana. It wouldn't work twice. Also, If Kirihara returned Hakugei in Kantou, Why the heck would Fuji try it on Tachibana in an unofficial match?

Fuji knew he was defeated, and up until his match with Shiraishi, He was the same Fuji throughout the Nationals, with an added counter. Big deal. His new counter helped him a lot with Shiraishi, that's why he was almost 6-0'd.

As you said, the timeline needs to be taken into account. The current Fuji cannot be compared to the previous Tachibana. It can only be assumed that if one character improves, so will another. That is how the series has been.

 

[Dansan1]

I didn't misread your posts. I am a pretty English savy guy.

You are completely misreading my post.

You obviously do not understand what I meant by 'bias' and 'prediction'. Perhaps you felt my use of the word 'you' was meant specifically at you and were defensive. It was not. You can switch it to the general 'everyone'. So I was saying; everyone is biased in all their predictions to a degree, period. That is the nature of prediction.

EX.

Fuji did not say Tachibana broke his counters, he said only stated that all of them had been broken. It reads that way in English and in Japanese. The only reason to interpret "all my counters have been broken" to "Tachibana broke all my counters" when Tachibana did not is because you think Tachibana could. We don't have any instance of Tachibana doing so, so EVERYTHING else is conjecture and hence subjective. Saying Tachibana could break/broke a technique he didn't even see is your opinion, not fact (I am in no way saying he couldn't break, I even agree with you it wouldn't have worked once!), but he did not break it because he did not have the opportunity to. That's not looking at the facts (the fact is Fuji didn't even use Hakugei) that's reading into the facts. The difference is simply looking at the data, and interpreting the data. I'm not saying interpreting the data is a bad thing, it is what we have to do to come to conclusions, but conclusions contain bias because we were the ones interpreting.

Again I don't disagree with your conclusion, I just want us to understand your conclusion is your opinion.

There is also no reason to assume that one character's improvement would proportionally match another(some characters have been given almost no improvements while others have had lots of focus and improvement). As I said whoever the mangaka wants or needs to win to propel his story will win. Regardless of whatever 'facts' we present the mangaka.

 

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Just discovered this today. Not to be rude but are you guys serious? I can't believe that this is a serious forum. Chitose would beat Tachibana. Tezuka beat Chitose and only lost one game. All the proof you need...

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Just discovered this today. Not to be rude but are you guys serious? I can't believe that this is a serious forum. Chitose would beat Tachibana. Tezuka beat Chitose and only lost one game. All the proof you need...

Except Tachibana would beat Chitose. If they played seriously, we know that Tachibana would win.

Chitose barely managed a victory when he was going all out and Tachibana wasn't trying.

 

[Atobe the king]

Except Tachibana would beat Chitose. If they played seriously, we know that Tachibana would win.

Chitose barely managed a victory when he was going all out and Tachibana wasn't trying.

Wasn't trying is an exaggeration, but he was definitely holding back

When Chitose says he's having Nostalgia it's because he's remember his scrimages with Kippei and how agressive he was.