Mag Talk Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk

[Maxy Barnard]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Back to the popularity poll. It's actually fairly common for gag manga series to devote a chapter on it. As mentioned, Hayate did that several times (and multiple chapters for the latest one, even). Also, Yuusha-gaku did one as well, and the author even went so far as making a unique format (not just the favorite character poll, but also least favorite character poll, and then subtract away the latter from the former).

Taizou did that as well when the poll result came out... I still remember JoJo's author Araki-sensei won 11th place, while Kujou Joutarou won 9th... rofl...
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SameOld... you can always PM the two WSJ scanners we have (Heiji and Vic) and ask if they're willing to scan the 1-shot you're interested

Although they could be too busy to do it (the 1-shots are, for the most part, 50 pages, and could take up to 1 hour to scan), but there's no harm asking

Taizo's popularity poll was brilliant, but then most of Amon Dai's material in that series was awesome whenever Jojo-related stuff got involved

 

[Finestela]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Taizo's popularity poll was brilliant, but then most of Amon Dai's material in that series was awesome whenever Jojo-related stuff got involved

I'm mixed on this actually... Don't get me wrong, I love all of Taizo's jokes, whether it's the JoJo stuff or of other series. However, I think it was also its downfall with too many JoJo references >_<"

However, Taizo would always be one of the best gag series on my personal list. I still get a good laugh whenever I read it Especially when you see scenes from manga you're familar with (Neuro, Bleach, OP, Naruto, JoJo, DeathNote, ToLoveRu... XD)

 

[Negative Syndicate]

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Does anyone knows when Kuroko and Hoop will be release in raw?

 

[Zokaro]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

I think you should be a bit patient, it seems a lot of the manga raws have been delayed this week.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

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I'm mixed on this actually... Don't get me wrong, I love all of Taizo's jokes, whether it's the JoJo stuff or of other series. However, I think it was also its downfall with too many JoJo references >_<"

However, Taizo would always be one of the best gag series on my personal list. I still get a good laugh whenever I read it Especially when you see scenes from manga you're familar with (Neuro, Bleach, OP, Naruto, JoJo, DeathNote, ToLoveRu... XD)

true, it did rely pretty heavily on the jojo stuff. damn you and your fair counterpoints!

 

[Finestela]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Does anyone knows when Kuroko and Hoop will be release in raw?

Vic ([Ju-Ni]Vicissitude) is probably still sleeping (he works late nights)... but if you PM and ask him politely, I'm sure he wouldn't mind letting you know when to expect the raws

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true, it did rely pretty heavily on the jojo stuff. damn you and your fair counterpoints!

lol Noodles

But still... it's a shame that Taizo ended like that
The author mentioned in Vol.08 that he tried to ask if he could continue it over at SQ, but was "politely" turned down. He also tried to ask it to be revived in WSJ as a 7 page series, to no avail.

Anyway, while I had negative opinions about it in the beginning, I'm glad that Inumaru is doing well as it is right now. For too long, gag series has suffered... how many 1 year series have we burned through? Not to mention the shortest series in WSJ history happened to a gag series (Chagecha)

 

[Tru_TO]

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i got a question, its about ur personal opinion tho.
Do pplz on this thread like love OP to death that they think its the best manga ever? Cuz alot of fanboys and girls thinks that and it sometimes pisses me off. They also flame Bleach and Naruto that they make them look like the worst shonen manga ever. So what do you think?

 

[[Cross]]

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One Piece is a good manga, but I doubt people here are fanboys and girls to that extent. People here also see the flaws and plus sides to Bleach and Naruto...it's refreshing to those fanboy driven threads that you are speaking of.

 

[Finestela]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

i got a question, its about ur personal opinion tho.
Do pplz on this thread like love OP to death that they think its the best manga ever? Cuz alot of fanboys and girls thinks that and it sometimes pisses me off. They also flame Bleach and Naruto that they make them look like the worst shonen manga ever. So what do you think?

lol... I didn't even list OP as my personal wish list for top 5...
I'd say most people here enjoys OP, but they aren't really at the level of fanatic, foam-in-mouth fanboys/girls that you're describing

Not to mention many here seem to enjoy (at least at some point) all three of them, instead of "OP (or Naruto or Bleach) is GOD!! EVERYTHING ELSE IS GARBAGE!" mentality.

 

[Elyon A. Luna]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

i got a question, its about ur personal opinion tho.
Do pplz on this thread like love OP to death that they think its the best manga ever? Cuz alot of fanboys and girls thinks that and it sometimes pisses me off. They also flame Bleach and Naruto that they make them look like the worst shonen manga ever. So what do you think?

One Piece, Bleach and Naruto are the top three Jump manga at the moment, they are which could be called "Jump-esque" They all hold the themes of friendship, courage, fights and dreams (well, Bleach not so much in the last one)

One Piece and Naruto began as standard shonen series, of a hero with a dream, that goes onto meeting/looking for allies and getting stronger in order to realize his dream. Bleach begins differently, but in time turns into the same type of series.

The crushing point is this: As time passed, Kishimoto and Kubo began failing to establish a consistent developing scheme for the series and its characters to evolve.

This has been patent in Naruto post-time skip and moreso in Bleach's Fake Karakura Town Arc.

The villains, which should be the driving force for a effective plot construction, are used as little more than a punch bag for the heroes to develop powers than in some cases are astonishingly unbelievable, even in a shonen manga. Thus one wonders what is the purpose of everything that is happening. This happens moreso in Bleach, where actually has nothing more going for it that pointlessly looooong battles. In character development, Bleach stands poorly.

Naruto is not that bad, it's pretty interesting now, but things like Akatsuki being stomped on like flies while their opponent gets as much as a scratch, or level the biggest ninja village only for bring everyone back to live leave too much to wish for.

Now, for One Piece. ¿Why does One Piece work? ¿Why is it, not only one of the favorites in this forum, but the consistently top 1 in tankobon sales and TOC charts?

Many people dislikes OP for its not so much attractive, many times freakish character designs and so much freakish use of humor, with the most easy of humor going for it. But also Oda knows how to weave his story. Like a true narrator, he establishes the general line for his world, and characters.He does not have everything prepared beforehand, but he knows where is he going, how will he get there, and how to handle his characters so as to not get them overwhemingly powerful (and when he does, like recently, is not for "So is now my turn to get UBER and pwn you", but has other solutions to it) neither to make them for be moved with a pinky (When he did it, it was in order to make a point)

So One Piece is not the perfect series, but it doesn't lose to itself. That's it.


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I read the three religiously each week, though yes, I favor OP of the three.

P.S. 1 Sorry for the long post, I'm all for it when I'm talking about a topic that I have a special interest into.
P.S. 2 People doesn't like me much, I'm a jerk
P.S. 3 The one over OP is Kyoukai no Rinne. All hail Takahashi!

 

[Rejuvenation]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

i got a question, its about ur personal opinion tho.
Do pplz on this thread like love OP to death that they think its the best manga ever? Cuz alot of fanboys and girls thinks that and it sometimes pisses me off. They also flame Bleach and Naruto that they make them look like the worst shonen manga ever. So what do you think?

One Piece isn't the best manga ever. Do many see it as better than Naruto and Bleach as a whole? Yes, many do. But that has more to do with the fact that One Piece consistently stays at an above average quality more often than not. And when it is bad, it is normally only because it might drag at certain points (Skypiea or Thriller Bark for many) and not because it becomes unbearable to read certain plot elements. (See Bleach's Hueco Mundo arc or the various disappointments in Naruto Part 2.)

Is One Piece perfect? Of course not. But the last and only arc I ever remember really hating in the series was Drum Island. And that was MANY years ago. But there are still plenty that hate it just as much if not more for their own reasons ranging from art style to the way the story progresses from island to island.

 

[Mr. Prince]

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Did I just read "One Piece"? *starts foaming from his mouth*
Nah, just kidding...

Personally, I dig One Piece since it's just long-time entertainment and IMO it's doing what it wants and tries to be on a very high level. : )
I would never claim it "BEST MANGA EVA!111", yet I see it as one of the best titles from JUMP...

 

[Elyon A. Luna]

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Did I just read "One Piece"? *starts foaming from his mouth*
Nah, just kidding...

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I was just gonna recommend you a good vet, heh.

 

[Onomatopoeia]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

i got a question, its about ur personal opinion tho.
Do pplz on this thread like love OP to death that they think its the best manga ever? Cuz alot of fanboys and girls thinks that and it sometimes pisses me off. They also flame Bleach and Naruto that they make them look like the worst shonen manga ever. So what do you think?

You're more likely to find those sort of people in Bleach and Naruto actually. I've been on another board where this was blatantly obvious.

In general those sort of people don't appear on this board though. You'll notice that when you look at all three boards.

As for me? OP is probably my 4th favorite manga out their. Not sure if that makes me blatantly fanboyish or not.

 

[Imitorar]

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I maintain that One Piece is good enough to qualify as a work of fine literature. Plenty of others started as pulp stories for children, and now they're over-analyzed by stuffy university professors. And I certainly think that One Piece has the quality for that. In many ways, the series is a true masterpiece of story telling. And I think that it really is the pinnacle of action/adventure shonen. I don't think that that genre has anything to offer that's better than One Piece.

That said, Naruto and Bleach are FAR from the worst shonen ever. Naruto especially. It squandered whatever chance it had at true greatness 7 or 8 years ago, and it's been positively dreadful at times, but overall, I would say that it is "good". At the very least, "decent". It's standard action/adventure shonen stuff, with some attempts to be more that don't get off the ground, and it suffers from very poor execution and characterization. But there have been many worse series', if you're talking about EVERYTHING between Astro Boy/Mighty Atom and now.

Bleach, on the other hand... fails as a story. It was fine until after Soul Society. It was even GOOD until then. It suffered from some problems of originality and at times some pacing, but Kubo was able to hold it together and tell a decent story. But since volume 21, the series has been steadily devolving. It hit bottom around the Hueco Muendo arc, and it's stayed there for about 2.5 years. There are no hints of characterization or development anymore. Just long, drawn out fights that suffer from the worst of shonen cliches and conventions being drawn out to the point where they are maddening. Shonen cliches have their place in any action shonen manga, but they MUST be executed properly for the manga to be good, and Kubo has failed at that since Soul Society. The current arc of Bleach IS among the worst that shonen has to offer, but the entire series isn't. If Kubu could some how go back to working the way he did about 4 or 5 years ago, the series could actually become good again. As it is now, I honestly think that Bleach is not worth the paper that it's printed on.

 

[Kaiten]

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One Piece works so well due to Oda creating such a detailed world, wonderfully original characters, intelligent writing, and fun. Unlike most long running series OP has improved over time; the world he creates gets deeper and more detailed where other series switch to auto pilot. One Piece and Full Metal Alchemist are the cream of the modern action crop. Nothing against Naruto, it's a really enjoyable series. It's one of the series I look forward to most each week. Naruto has it's weak moments though, and drags in places. Bleach has lost most of my good will. It was never an original series, but Kubo managed to add a lot of great dialog, interesting characters, and cool abilities, making it a bit more then your average tournament shonen. Since the end of Hueco Mundo he seems to have dropped all dialog and attitude in favor of near silent fighting punctuated by the occasional cliche. I have read worse, a lot worse, but Bleach has really let me down. The Bleach thread at Freelance used to be one of the liveliest topics, it's been reduced to mostly "that was kind of cool" comments.

I'm willing to over look a few rough action series as Jump seems stronger then at any time of been following (granted, only two years). There's more variety, more series showing signs of life, and fewer cancellations then the last few years.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

i got a question, its about ur personal opinion tho.
Do pplz on this thread like love OP to death that they think its the best manga ever? Cuz alot of fanboys and girls thinks that and it sometimes pisses me off. They also flame Bleach and Naruto that they make them look like the worst shonen manga ever. So what do you think?

don't worry, the worst shonen manga ever is probably shiritsu poseidon gakuen or whatnot.

HOWEVER, I think it's safe to say most people here at least prefer one piece to bleach by a large margin (not sure about naruto that can change week to week)

also you don't have to be a fanboy to think it's the best manga ever. that's ignorant and invalidates your frustrations.

Besides we all know the best manga ever is Space Adventure Cobra and anyone who says otherwise is a LIAR

 

[Kaiten]

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Besides we all know the best manga ever is Space Adventure Cobra and anyone who says otherwise is a LIAR

/me compulsive liar

 

[Tru_TO]

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well pplz make Oda look like one of the greatest of all time, but this is ur typical One Piece chapter....

go to an island...........meet people....................find the threat.............fight enemy............get beat..............do something in a set amount of time..................come back miraculously..................beat the enemy.....................party...................leave. and the cycle starts right over again.

 

[Rejuvenation]

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Oda has fan boys just like Toriyama, Kishimoto, Kubo and others do. You shouldn't take those kinds of people as the representation of an entire fandom.

You can break down Naruto (In Part 2 anyway), Bleach, and many other series' structures if you strip it down like that.

What matters most is how characters are used and the story's execution. One Piece delivers on that front the most out of its other competitors.

Annnddd I'm done. I've had enough Trinity debates on a certain other ninja forum to last me a lifetime. Plus, that isn't this thread's main topic. >.>