Discussion The strongest crew in One piece.

[braindamage351]

The current Blackbeard pirates are dog shit. Marco, Ace, and Jozu could all easily solo his entire crew, and push Blackbeard to his limits. It's a joke. However, by the time he leaves impel down he might be on par with Shanks' crew, if not stronger, depending on who he leaves with. Even then, he'll never be as strong as Whitebeard.

Blackbeard himself is capable of killing a yonkou. He's highly inconsistent and vulnerable, but his luck makes up for that, and his offensive abilities can take out anybody in the world. His crew is shit. He's got an Usopp, two Choppers, and a Brooke, but no heavy hitters. Shiryuu is his Zoro. Most likely the three most infamous criminals from level 6 will fill out the rest of his crew. The idea of his current crew reaching the top just seems ridiculous to me.

Even then, he'll never be as strong as Whitebeard or Gold Roger. He needs the WG to do his dirty work for him.

 

[tothx]

He never planned on capturing Ace, he planned on capturing Luffy. Ace just happened and hence the current situation. And this far, nobody knows what the reason for his short visit in to the Schicibukai was.

You guys say his crew is shit but there is absolutely no grounds for saying so.

 

[Hitsug@ya ta1ch0u]

It's late at night so I cant be arsed looking for the right page. But moria allso said that he got completely owned in the new world.

In spite of it being clearly stated that they were equal.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/483/06/

Moria lost his entire crew to Kaidou.. You say they were equals, I say he got owned.

No his crew wasn't strong enough to fight a Yonkou's. Kaidou himself isn't a threat to the World Government. No one man is strong enough to be a threat to the World Government. The danger of the Strawhats isn't just Luffy, it's everyone: Zoro, Sanji, ect.

And saying Moria = Kaidou would allmost be the same as saying Luffy = Kaidou, which lets face it, would be a complete joke. Even after he has discovered Haki Luffy is miles away from Yonkou strength.

Incorect, Moria was once on par with Kaidou. Meaning Moria at his peak, was on par with Kaidou. Still Moria still lacks a name or title as great as Mihawk. Moria stopped training himself, and instead focused on having Nakama make him Pirate King, because the loss of his crew struck a cord.

Screw the potency! Blackbeard is allready as strong as, or stronger, then Shanks. Beeing able to clash with him before he even got the devils fruit points towards him beeing the stronger of the two.

IRRELEVANT. Read the thread. The Strongest Crew in One Piece, not the strongest Captain. Do you understand now? Let me simplify this even more. If Whitebeard alone attacked the World Government, he would fail. Why? He's only one man. Whitebeard+Crew+Allies, are capable of challanging even the Marines. Blackbeard is top tier no one is denying that, but his crew is too small to pose a real threat to the larger Pirate crews. BB Pirates would lose to the Red-Haired Pirates. Why? Not because Shanks>BB himself, but because The hundreds of Pirates+Red Force>>>>A handfull of Pirates on a Raft...A RAFT!

And one shotted by magellan, again... pfft, they stood there and took it. He was pissed off and didnt hesitate at all to attack them.
Shiryuu = Magellan
Blackbeard = Stronger then Shiryuu
Remember that Luffy was able to fight Magellan for 24 hours nonstop! AFTER having been poisoned. If Luffy is capable of that then Blackbeard should be too, probably able to defeat Magellan within that time too.

EH!? Incorrect
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/535/11/
Here Luffy has 24 hours to live. And no. Shiryuu~Magellan without Hell's Judgement, because with it Magellan can destroy Impel Down itself. Also Magellan subdued Shiryuu so he does not = Magellan. They are in similar leagues but not on the same level. Also why do you assume Shiryuu<Blackbeard. (A>B>C logic fails very frequently I wouldn't rely on it)
Just because someone joins a crew means nothing. Remember Zoro=Luffy.

And that crew is NOT a young crew! They should all have reached the pinnacle of their power by now (not to say we wont see atleast a little character development, but they are atleast very close to it). These are all old timers capable of remembering when Roger roamed the seas!
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Bullshit.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/440/15/
None of his crew can defeat Ace yet. In another translation BB specifically says your not on his level yet

Ace, Marco, Joz and WB would be the strongest 4 of the strongest crew in the world. Not disputing that WB probably still is the top.

That said, Joz is below Ace.
BB is above both, probably above Marco too. Again with the ALLREADY BEFORE THE DEVILS FRUIT arguement. BB could have taken Ace's spot in WB's crew had he wanted too. BEFORE THE MOST POWERFULL DEVILS FRUIT IN THE WORLD, darling.

Very good, but all 14 Division Commanders are likely slightly below Ace Level. Remember Shanks had a 94million member of his crew who was a rookie. Imagine Shanks higher ups like Ben Beckman,Lucky Roux, and Yasopp. They alone along with their captain could likely solo the BB Crew, not counting the hundreds of others.

WB himself, nobody knows if BB is ready for him yet. Im guessing not, he would have done it allready. Maybe he's about to. But it wouldnt be an easy fight for either.

No but WB+Crew would shit all over Blackbeard and his crew.

 

[Yabe]

Imo BB crew is still upraising and honestly even if Teach himself has the dangerous devil fruits to all other DF users; I still don't think him and his crews right now could ever be brought up on par with any of the Yonkou's forces. Saying that crew size means nothing actually is too quick of a judgement because we have no way to know whether or not the other members in Kaidou/Shanks or anybody else's crews are just canon fodders or potential characters.

Also, the argument on BB has left a scar on Shanks can't support that much to the conclusion of him being as strong as Shanks (and let alone stronger >_<) because we don't have the evidence how that fight happened. He was just able to left Shanks the scar and not put him in coma or something. If I have to guess I would put my bet on Teach having done that in his desperation.

So, IMO current strongest crew = the WB pirates. The 2nd is probably Shanks or Kaidou.

More importantly, please chill the tone of the discussion down. We are here just to exchange different ideas and you should expect to find quite diffferent/opposite opinions a lot here that causes you having to explain yourselves.
So argue with civil or at least neutral attitudes and keep the temper down please.

 

[Zehahaha]

Kaidou has the fighting power of say Moria.

Moria~Kaidou

That explains why the poor guy lost ALL his crewman in the new world... There's no way that Moria is the equal of Kaidou in term of power, no WAY...

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

That explains why the poor guy lost ALL his crewman in the new world... There's no way that Moria is the equal of Kaidou in term of power, no WAY...

No, but Moria was the equal of Kaidou. Just think about it, all his crew was killed by Kaidou's crew but Moria was not killed by Kaidou.
And Moria said that the problem with a normal crew was that they can die if they are not enough strong.
That means that his nakamas lost their fight, but that he did not. Otherwise, Kaidou would have killed him as his nakamas did with Moria's.
The fight between Kaidou and Moria has been a tie and that's why Moria is still alive. And that is also why Moria is said to have been the equal of Kaidou.

 

[tothx]

Zoro=Luffy.

Luffy > Zoro when it matters. I wont bother saying much more, youre dead set on argueing using fiction as facts.

And as far as Kaidou goes, if Moria's strength was similar to his own he wouldnt have had the excess strength needed to go after his crew. Moria might just barely have had enough strength to keep himself from getting killed.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

And as far as Kaidou goes, if Moria's strength was similar to his own he wouldnt have had the excess strength needed to go after his crew.Moria might just barely have had enough strength to keep himself from getting killed.

Actually, we do not really know if Kaidou killed by himself Moria's crewmates, that could have been his nakamas. And if he did, we do not know if it was after their fight that he killed them.

Anyway, I believe what I have read in the manga : Moria used to be the equal of Kaidou in the past.

 

[tothx]

Actually, we do not really know if Kaidou killed by himself Moria's crewmates, that could have been his nakamas. And if he did, we do not know if it was after their fight that he killed them.

Anyway, I believe what I have read in the manga : Moria used to be the equal of Kaidou in the past.

Well perhaps, but that would have been a completely diffrent Moria from the one we know now.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

Or a completely different Kaidou from the Yonkou he is now.

 

[hisoga]

Actually, we do not really know if Kaidou killed by himself Moria's crewmates, that could have been his nakamas. And if he did, we do not know if it was after their fight that he killed them.

Anyway, I believe what I have read in the manga : Moria used to be the equal of Kaidou in the past.

What if it is actually a lie made by the government so that other people will scare/terrified when their heard moria's name??? a politic cover up??

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

What if it is actually a lie made by the government so that other people will scare/terrified when their heard moria's name??? a politic cover up??

I do not think so. Besides, if that was so, it would have been better to say " is still equal to Kaidou " and not was.
And I do not think Oda will mislead his readers.

 

[Hitsug@ya ta1ch0u]

What if it is actually a lie made by the government so that other people will scare/terrified when their heard moria's name??? a politic cover up??

The point of this is that the Yonkou are not all about them. Its about their Nakama. Look at the most recent chapter. The thing that makes WB so potent is his top Division Commanders are up there with the Admirals.

 

[hisoga]

The point of this is that the Yonkou are not all about them. Its about their Nakama. Look at the most recent chapter. The thing that makes WB so potent is his top Division Commanders are up there with the Admirals.

i'm sorry for being noob but i don't understand what is the connection of your statement and my statement>>>

I do not think so. Besides, if that was so, it would have been better to say " is still equal to Kaidou " and not was.
And I do not think Oda will mislead his readers.

yeah... i agree with you about Oda maybe don't mislead his reader but oda has already show us that to achieve what their want or to maintain their power and reputation WG don't hesitate to do everything in their power... for example, just to protect the dignity of Shicibukai, WG not only ordered kuma to kill strawhat pirate but also anyone or any witnesses to the moria's downfall....they also don't want the whole world to know that a member of shicibukai once again defeated...
so, what i'm trying to say here,maybe the whole thing about moria=kaidou is a lie from WG. Being equal to yonkou surely gain very big reputation and this will enhance the bad assness of shicibukai>>>other pirate will fear when they heard moria's name or shicibukai...

there are still a possibility because, moria himself doesn't mention he is equal to kaidou, only unname pirate say something like that..
two,we know that moria once have a powerful and famous crew but they are all wipe out by maybe kaidou alone or kaidou and crew...but still this show us kaidou>moria in certain way..if we consider at the time kaidou defeated moria, kaidou not a yonkou and moria is a shicibukai, it is logic to say WG lies about moria=kaidou..but if kaidou not a yonkou and moria not a shicibukai at that time, still we can say that at that time kaidou and moria were very famous and their rivalry were known to the whole world.. so it safe to say WG use this fact to increase shicibukai reputation by ofering the status to moria and still cover up the story that moria actually lost to kaidou...
third, kaidou now is one of yonkou...in term of overall strength kaidou=WB=redhaired=unknown yonkou.... but moria after a several years still hiding in florian triangle building his army and now his plan fail but not because of other big name but only by a mere newbie.. so this is show how powerful kaidou and his crew are..they are not only can survive new world but also can stand in it zenith alongside of WB... but still WG cover the real fact and still use the story of moria=kaidou... people surely afraid of someone who can match a yonkou...

but all this is just my opinion... i don't force anybody to agree... so glhf>>>

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

It is Moria was equal to Kaidou. People think it means one among the Shichibukai = one among the Yonkou. That is not what was said. Two pirate captains of the New World were equal. That's all. Moria was not a Shichibukai and Kaidou not a Yonkou at this time. I do not see where the problem is.

 

[Poneglyph420]

Based on the manga alone Moria and Kaidou fought evenly and somehow Moria got away to form his Thriller Bark crew. We can assume that Moria was far more deadly, and more of a threat at that time. We have only seen 2 Yonkou up til now and they both had pretty powerful crews. I think we can assume the other Yonkou must have crews of great power. In the end this is a discussion on the most powerful crew. From what we have seen the Yonkou have such power to need both the Marines and Shichibukai to keep them in some sort of stalemate. That's evidence that they are the strongest crews. We only know of 2 of those crews, so yeah.
WB pirates still seem like they take that title.

I also see hints that the BB Pirates are gunning for that position and are well on their way.

 

[kkck]

It is Moria was equal to Kaidou. People think it means one among the Shichibukai = one among the Yonkou. That is not what was said. Two pirate captains of the New World were equal. That's all. Moria was not a Shichibukai and Kaidou not a Yonkou at this time. I do not see where the problem is.

Why do you think kaido was not a yonkou at the time? I don't think such a thing has ever been mentioned lol.

 

[Umbra Wolf]

Why do you think kaido was not a yonkou at the time? I don't think such a thing has ever been mentioned lol.

You are right it was never mentioned.

But this is the whole problem of this discussion. We know nothing about Kaidou except that he fought Moria in the past. We don't know how much time passed since then. We know nothing about their titles and positions, their crew's sizes and powers and nothing about their fighting styles and ethics.
The only thing that is pretty safe to assume is that Moria already had his DF but even that is speculation. They could have fought when they both started in North/South/West/East Blue and were equally weak.

Shanks and Mihawk fought in the past as did Shanks and BB but it is hard to conclude on what level they were back then and what happened until now. Maybe Kaidou hadn't a DF when they fought and found one later and sky rocketed into Yokou position. We don't have a clue yet.

We should not make the same mistake which the Impel Down inmates already did: Buggy was on Gold Roger's ship but you shouldn't give him too much credit for it since he is not that awesome. We are lucky enough to know enough about Buggy to draw reasonable conclusions.
We know 2 Yonkou and parts of their crews. So far it is safe to assume that the other two Yonkous are not much weaker in comparison.