I find all of this pretty amusing. You do realize that 95% of the uncredited cases happen with Naruto / Bleach / One Piece? Not like there were 20 different spanish Manga Editors for Saru Lock, but there sure as hell are for Naruto, if not much more.
And in those 95% of the cases, it'd be so very simple to fix the problem.
Let's be somewhat honest here, Sleepyfans (for Bleach / Naruto) and Binktopia (Naruto / One Piece) are
currently the dominating groups here. And we get around 15 uncredited international releases
weekly. This week there were around 30 probably. Obviously english Edited Manga groups have no copyrights either, we are pirating the industry somewhat (though I still believe we also serve it to some dagree), but it's the complete disrespect to the people that's shocking and inacceptable.
People who put hours of work into one release, Raw-Providers buying the mags, Jap-Eng translators giving international Manga Editors the opportunity to even translate and publish at all (easily the most credit-worthy part of the job), and Manga Editors, cleaning the shitty WSJ raws, allowedly with sometimes huge discrepancies of quality. (About the anterior comment on international Manga Editors simply erasing bubbles: it's the damn truth in most cases. And those who take pride in redrawing out the english text, et cetera... well why not take the next step and clean the raws yourself then? Redrawing is definetely the most difficult skill to aquire, if you can that, it's simple to clean on your own rather than rely on a cleaned version as a base for your scan.)
Point of this all, for the big 3, I know of only 2-3 (mainly french) groups that actually clean their speedscans themselves, so all the other 50-60 international "groups" are completely addicted to the english groups. Just show some respect to original Manga Editors and follow their (in most cases really simple) requests. Sleepyfans: they don't seem to have any contact to the outside world (why would a onemanga-Editing group even want that) - but just for the respect, do mention them as the original Manga Editors. Binktopia: please, oh please just put in our credits page. It's so simple of a request. I do think that our raw providers, our translators and our cleaners deserve at least that if you decide to use our scans. If the status quo remains, we'll simply start to throw in HUGE watermarks on our scans, like around 5-10 (lost count) international groups already do. Yes, they put huge and ugly watermarks on the edits we spend our spare time on. Or we'll just follow Eagle's example (Japflap), we just won't allow our scans being used at all anymore.
And Lsshin your point is kind of senseless here. Yes, underground sites that exist by the thousands will still break the "rules" and just publish whatever. But mangahelpers is controllable, and has admins (friends) that do care for Manga Editors "rights" and wishes, and for this I'm honestly thankful. Keeping mangahelpers free from stealing is the thing that can be done here, let's not care for other sites for the moment.
For the end of my rant, I have a suggestion to make, unokpasabaxaki was the initiator of this on IRC. How about a "mangacops" usergroup? Designated and spunky fans who check the big 3 anyway(let's limit it to that for starters), could at least start reporting, maybe even get some kind of position to contact the affected groups. International stealing happens, like I stated before, on a daily basis. I'm not even mad about it, just disappointed that it still happens. And I'm sure that simple, direct contacting (for first-timers) and explaining to them that what they do is wrong (possibly in their native language, make mangacops as international as possible), would fix the problem in most cases. Give them some staff forums, a thread where they can make a list of groups and how often they were stealing / got contacted to change their behaviour. I'm pretty lenient about consequences, it's okay to just
tell first timers. Warn those who do it a second time. And for the third time, exclude them out of the community? I realize that a new usergroup would just mean more work for you guys, especially keeping track of what the "cops" do and if they do it right. It's just a suggestion, take it with a pinch of salt.
A rule which isn't fair in somebody's opinion doesn't turn out being fair in any amount of time...
Nobody doubted it's fairness up to this point. It hasn't changed, obviously the leechers (or
one leecher) just learned to type.
I don't need to give anyone any example: I have evrey right to state whatever opinion I have without having to prove anything to anyone. Anyway I already stated that I wouldn't have problems in giving my translations and/or raws to whomever want them. If I would scanlate a manga I would do this for the sake of the manga community, not for showing off my translation skills or something.
Manga Editors who whine about copyright infringments are a nonsense in itself, a curse to the Edited Manga world: if this nonsense is where the Edited Manga world is going to it's better if it will cease to exist entirely.
You do have every right to say whatever you want. But without giving further explanations and examples, we also take your comment as such: utterly worthless.
An opinion without reasons to it is no opinion at all. You clearly don't know how to debate. And your further talk in conjunctive is especially worthless. "I would do this...", "I would do that...", it's just that, talk. Worthless talk. And I take it personally if you call Japflap a curse. Actually, I take it as a joke. You do know that those guys even delete their old scans to not have any problems with copyrights? Their efforts are endless, and they do respect the original author. Heck, their whole website is worshipping Kishimoto. Just taking it as an example. Other groups who don't allow their scans being used at all most likely have damn good reasons to, too. You are in
no position to judge them.
