Mag Talk Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk

[Kaiten]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

How exactly is it obvious? I remember everyone said it was obvious that Inumaru was being pimped. That already has been out a year. Everyone just assumes Waji, because it is gag, will be unpopular with Japanese readers. I agree with Drmke, there really isn't enough information to make an informed decision. To often we all decide something else will be canceled when the new series we like is preforming poorly.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

How exactly is it obvious? I remember everyone said it was obvious that Inumaru was being pimped. That already has been out a year. Everyone just assumes Waji, because it is gag, will be unpopular with Japanese readers. I agree with Drmke, there really isn't enough information to make an informed decision. To often we all decide something else will be canceled when the new series we like is preforming poorly.

Yeah, might be you're right, too. We never know Wajimania going to be like Poseidon, maybe we are judging it too early. But I can tell one thing, either Inumaru or Wajimania has to go, we don't need two short page gag series.

 

[SameOld]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

(...)and Jump just wants it around for some strange reason even though they already have plenty of popular gag manga seems a little foolish to me.

How is not having enough pages for a single compiled volume a strange reason?

Anyway, you'll see when the next round of cuts is due. For now, just look at accessup.org. I don't know if that site is a good way to measure a series' popularity or not, but there's a HUGE amount of negative reviews for Waji there.

 

[Kaiten]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Yeah, might be you're right, too. We never know Wajimania going to be like Poseidon, maybe we are judging it too early. But I can tell one thing, either Inumaru or Wajimania has to go, we don't need two short page gag series.

Three short series actually, Jaguar is easy to forget

The popularity of new short gag series are hard to judge. I expect they get less votes by grace of what they are; something short and fun meant to get a quick laugh without competing with the 20p series. I can't imagine even Jaguar competing with Naruto, Bleach, or even Mago and Toriko for votes. That's not what it is. Comedy series, even longer ones like Yusha Gaku, as well as slice of life like Sket, have always been slammed in this thread. Until they've established themselves. In reality we will have to wait and see if Waji is the next Inumaru or the next Poseidon. I can't fully agree with Jump not being able to sustain Waji and Inumaru. Some magazines can handle multiple gag/yonkoma series. It is possible Jump can too. But, from what I've seen over the last couple of years Jump isn't one of them. While I am open to the possibility of both surviving the next cuts, your opinion that one of the two will go seems more plausible.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

I think the important point about next round of cancelation is not about Wajimania, it is whether Medaka and Akaboshi will live or not. I think next round of cancelation begin around issue 50 because the cancelation usually begin before or same time of new series start, and two new series line-up begin rather quickly than I thought, both started about 7 weeks after previous new series line-up. This means that Medaka and Akaboshi have about 10 more weeks to live.

Do Medaka and Akaboshi have a potential to live another 10 more weeks?

 

[[Cross]]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Both seem to have their share of positive and negative points, and it has shown in the rankings. So it will all lie in the tanko sales.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

１クール突き抜け(15週以下) 73作品　突き抜け率 31.1%(73/235)　例：マイスター　チャゲチャ　どがし
２クール目死亡(16～27週) 66作品　２クール目の死亡率 40.7%(66/162)　例：フープ　ぼっけ　アスクレ
１年以下で死亡(28～48週) 20作品　３クール～１周年の間の死亡率 21.1%(20/96)　例：ハケン　初恋　ラルグラド
１～２年で死亡(49～96週) 24作品　１～２年の死亡率 31.6%(24/76)　例：勇者学　うさぎ　P2
２～３年で死亡(97～144週) 14作品　２～３年の死亡率 26.9%(14/52)　例：エムゼロ　デスノ　ライパク(２部)
３～４年で死亡(145～192週) 15作品　３～４年の死亡率 39.5%(15/38)　例：とらぶる　Dグレ　ムヒョ
４～５年で死亡(193～240週) 7作品　４～５年の死亡率 30.4%(7/23)　例：ネウロ　ミスフル　ホイッスル
連載５年以上(241週以上) 16作品　新連載が５年以上の長期連載になる確率 6.8%(16/235) 　例：アイシル　テニス　ボーボボ

＜今後の打ち切りスケジュール＞
次期編成会議(リリエン3話目のアンケ結果が出る)→10/2頃?(44号頃)
作者への打ち切り宣告→10/5頃？(45号頃)
保健室シャッフル対象入り(6話目)→10/12(46号)
リリエンシャッフル対象入り(6話目)→10/19(47号)
打ち切り宣告後に描いた作品が掲載される(展開に影響?)→10/26頃(48号頃)
保健室完全補正切れ(9話目)→11/2(49号)
リリエン完全補正切れ(9話目)→11/9(50号)
次期新連載投入および打ち切り執行開始(保健室9～12話目頃)→11/2～11/23頃?(49～52号頃)

I think this information is useful.

 

[Siberia]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

３～４年で死亡(145～192週) 15作品　３～４年の死亡率 39.5%(15/38)　例：とらぶる　Dグレ　ムヒョ

The partial info is obviously misleading if it includes D.gray man as one of the series beng axed within 3-4 years coz it isn't true.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

The partial info is obviously misleading if it includes D.gray man as one of the series beng axed within 3-4 years coz it isn't true.

Maybe move to different magazine count as being axed in Weekly Shonen Jump.

 

[Kaiten]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

While information is always appreciated, please, post a translation for those of us who can't read Japanese. Thanks

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

While information is always appreciated, please, post a translation for those of us who can't read Japanese. Thanks

Basically, first part is about the percentage of the series going to axe.

* Probability for the series will be cut in under 15 weeks is 31.1% (73 series)
* Probability for the series will be cut between 16~27 weeks is 40.7% (66 series)
* Probability for the series will be cut in under 1 year is 21.1% (20 series)
* Probability for the series will be cut between 1~2 years is 31.6% (24 series)
* Probability for the series will be cut between 2~3 years is 26.9% (14 series)
* Probability for the series will be cut between 3~4 years is 39.5% (15 series)
* Probability for the series will be cut between 4~5 years is 30.4% (7 series)
* Probability for the series will be serialized more than 5 years is 6.8% (16 series)

Second part is about schedule for next cut.

* Next Meeting for Canceling the series=October 2 (around Issue 44)
* Reporting the author to be axed=October 5 (around Issue 45)
* Hokenshitsu go into subject of shuffle (chapter 6)=October 12 (Issue 46)
* Lilienthal go into subject of shuffle (chapter 6)=October 19 (Issue 47)
* A work, which reported to be axe, will be publish=around October 26 (around Issue 48)
* Hokenshitsu will be completely cut from revision (chapter 9)=November 2 (Issue 49)
* Lilienthal will be completely cut from revision (chapter 9)=November 9 (Issue 50)
* Beginning of new series line-up and cancelation=around November 2~23 (around Issue 49~52)

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If next round cancelation start around issue 50, then the fate of Medaka and Akaboshi will be depend on next 5 rankings.

Medaka might have enough time for another short arc, and Akaboshi has enough time to wrap up Ryozanpaku arc. But I don't want neither of them be gone.

 

[SSJWill4]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Basically, first part is about the percentage of the series going to axe.

* Probability for the series will be cut in under 15 weeks is 31.1% (73 series)
* Probability for the series will be cut between 16~27 weeks is 40.7% (66 series)
* Probability for the series will be cut in under 1 year is 21.1% (20 series)
* Probability for the series will be cut between 1~2 years is 31.6% (24 series)
* Probability for the series will be cut between 2~3 years is 26.9% (14 series)
* Probability for the series will be cut between 3~4 years is 39.5% (15 series)
* Probability for the series will be cut between 4~5 years is 30.4% (7 series)
* Probability for the series will be serialized more than 5 years is 6.8% (16 series)

Unless I'm missing something, all the percentages except for the first one are wrong.

235 series total
(73/235) = 31.1%
28.1%
8.5%
10.2%
6%
6.4%
3%
6.8%

 

[Siberia]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

* Next Meeting for Canceling the series=October 2 (around Issue 44)
* Reporting the author to be axed=October 5 (around Issue 45)

I thought the mangka would be notified right after the meeting rather than 2days after, isnt it similar to last week's chapter of Bakuman?

 

[Drmke]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

How is not having enough pages for a single compiled volume a strange reason?

Because if they wanted to cancel it, they could just cut it and release whatever chapters they needed to fill the volume in the tank sperate from the magazine.

Hokenshitsu go into subject of shuffle (chapter 6)=October 12 (Issue 46)
Lilienthal go into subject of shuffle (chapter 6)=October 19 (Issue 47)
Hokenshitsu will be completely cut from revision (chapter 9)=November 2 (Issue 49)
Lilienthal will be completely cut from revision (chapter 9)=November 9 (Issue

What exactly does it mean by "shuffle" and "revision"?

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

What exactly does it mean by "shuffle" and "revision"?

I think "shuffle" means the series' ranking might change due to change of pages or change of editing.

I think "revision" means that new series protection is over, new series going to be in survival.

 

[Digital_Eon]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Maybe move to different magazine count as being axed in Weekly Shonen Jump.

Maybe to that person, but not in general - it certainly didn't end, nor was it unpopular. Besides, DGM lasted over five years in Jump - why would it be in the 3-4 year bracket?

(What are the names of the two series listed after Neuro...?)

 

[Mr. Prince]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

(What are the names of the two series listed after Neuro...?)

MisuFuru (short for Mr. Fullswing) & Whistle!

 

[Estranho]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

I don't know why they count Neuro. It finished naturally, wasn't axed.

 

[ruggia]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

how reliable is this "data"?
or a better question would be where did u get this? i'm guessing 2chan, but just to check..

i have no idea how they are coming up with the percentages. it seems like they have 235 series in total, but the way they divide them is pretty confusing....
never mind, i get it.

Unless I'm missing something, all the percentages except for the first one are wrong.

the percentages are more like a cumulative one that overall.
so for less than one year, its all 235 series, but after that, they subtract the ones that already got axed previously.
so, for 16~27 week, they take out the 73 series that got axed before 15 weeks (so 235-73=162) so their percentage is 66/162 = 40.7%

i think your percentages are much more useful.

 

[Kaiten]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

The compilers goal seems to be finding the average life expectancy of all Jump series. Weather canceled, moved to another magazine or ended by the author they seem to want to know what percentage of series lasted how long. They seem to have skipped statistics class though >.<