Canon Shanks vs Mihawk

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

well no one is saying shanks is weak yes the word emperor speaks for its self i say its too early to start making assumptions given we have no clue on the yonkous nature now .

i have one question in rogers days were there yonkou ? i believe not so you shouldnt start comparing WB with the othere three because its like saying that red hair is equal to roger which is not true .

that said you guys should stick to the facts given by oda which are on top of every swordsman in this worlds mihaw stands out .

the reaction soldiers had upon shanks's arrival is similar to the reaction of the red hair pirates when they saw mihawk coming . the marines are lucky to have mihawk on their side just imagine if he was battling vs the marines im sure they well gather every shred of military army they got just to be sure they could win .

i believe that mihawk never wanted to fight shanks again because he thinks its not fair to battle full force againt a strong handicaped man .

 

[RichardMNixon]

Rayleigh as a swordsman would lose to Mihawk, as simple as that. That guy left the sea for ages now. He is beyond his prime and not active.

And yet Rayleigh (using a sword) fought evenly with Kizaru. So if Mihawk is better, do you not then believe Mihawk would defeat Kizaru?

 

[BlackHair]

And yet Rayleigh (using a sword) fought evenly with Kizaru. So if Mihawk is better, do you not then believe Mihawk would defeat Kizaru?

Whether he can beat him or not is whole new discussion. Kiz is not a swordsman, so Mwk title would be a invalid argument in that fight/discussion.

Anyway my thoughts on that:

• Mwk is Zoro's goal, who I assume will one day stand above Kizaru, thus I believe Mihawk is stronger.
• Ray was able to fight him evenly with swordsmanship + haki (though he was loosing), I believe Mwk would be able to beat him, if he is also capable of using haki. Which I assume he can.

i edited and added "quote" for why i mentioned what. people are still using those pages as the strongest documentary for Mihawk's strenght and i just said, "they are all old news from out side of grand line which can not be taken so seriously nowadays" that was the whole point of that post.some fodders hyping Mihawk as the strongest swordsman doesnt mean anything.i dont mean to insult cheff zedd but even his words dont mean anything for he is a guy who could only spend 1 year in grand line..those people know nothing of the real world pirates so their words in the 50th chapter dont hold any value..

It almost sounds to me that you are questioning Mihawk's title. Beside Zeff's words, DutchPhoenix also posted the infobox by Oda.

 

[Schabrak]

Off course it should be helpful for Rayleigth being a haki user against Kizaru, a logia user. So why are people comparing Those two now? For gods sake: One Piece isn't A>B,B>C,A>C, so stop comparing different situations, powers equaly or mention all facts present giving dis-/advantages to the combatants.

I like how everyone is trying to argue with people shown rarely, who's powers weren't explained yet. 15 pages full on arguments based on max.20 pages of 580 chapters a 15-18 pages. And rarely I see some "may" or "could" or "should". Everything stated is fact for some people here. It's definitly going to far sometimes.

 

[RichardMNixon]

(though he was loosing),

Is this because he had dirt on his coat or that crap? That's not going to cut it, if he was losing to Kizaru, how did he escape Kizaru and Sentoumaru?

And if Mihawk can beat up on admirals, what is he doing serving as a dog of the government?

 

[superman97]

By some peoples definition of Yonkou here it seems like they would agree with the fact that Buggy could become a Yonkou. IT IS NOT THE CREW IT IS THE CAPTAIN. We all saw how easily one admiral took out a multitude of supernovas... without one extremely powerful fighter in your crew there is nothing stopping the Marines from easily taking out your whole crew.

The reason Whitebeard was never captured is because on the sea that would have simply been impossible.

So for all the people that say the crew makes someone a Yonkou then if Mihawk showed up with the exact same crew do you honestly think the war would have ended. NO.

For the Zoro has to be as strong as Mihawk arguement... Mihawk is only a stepping stone for Zoro and I am willing to bet he will be a similar fighter to Rayleigh. Unless you are such idiots that think Rayleigh in his prime is weaker then Mihawk in his prime then I am not even gonna bother with this topic anymore.

 

[Fox666]

And if Mihawk can beat up on admirals, what is he doing serving as a dog of the government?

I don't understand what you mean

 

[St Michael]

The advantage of being a Shichibukai is immunity.

Why would you accept the job if you could beat the top marines? Immunity is useless if you don't fear the authority of the WG.

I think that's what RichardMNixon meant.

Anyway , don't think Mihawk joined for immunity , probably more for the opportunity of meetings with strong/promising opponents.

I agree that he's weaker than admirals though.

 

[Antares]

Sengoku and Supersaiyan Blackbeard withdrawing after Shanks' challenge? Red-Hair is the shit.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

is rayleigh can keep up with an admiral, im pretty sure mihawk could actually kill one

 

[Schabrak]

By some peoples definition of Yonkou here it seems like they would agree with the fact that Buggy could become a Yonkou. IT IS NOT THE CREW IT IS THE CAPTAIN. We all saw how easily one admiral took out a multitude of supernovas... without one extremely powerful fighter in your crew there is nothing stopping the Marines from easily taking out your whole crew.

So for all the people that say the crew makes someone a Yonkou then if Mihawk showed up with the exact same crew do you honestly think the war would have ended. NO.

For the Zoro has to be as strong as Mihawk arguement... Mihawk is only a stepping stone for Zoro and I am willing to bet he will be a similar fighter to Rayleigh. Unless you are such idiots that think Rayleigh in his prime is weaker then Mihawk in his prime then I am not even gonna bother with this topic anymore.

How about reading through the posts, not just skinning ? The World Government fears the Yonkou for their whole crew, not a single person, as it would have been possible to just dispatch two or three admirals at the same time and take them out if it were only about them being the strong ones. This statement does not contradict with Yonkou being strong by themself in any way, but it's the whole crew that can create so much chaos.

You have to acknowledge that Whitebeard was a very special case with his destructive power. Why I'm even writing this... Shanks is strong no doubt, but people have to stop putting him on god-mode, even after the last chapter, which was more diplomatic than anything.

Thumbs Up for insulting users, as you, I, nobody expect Oda knows how strong those two were. Oda announcing him being the strongest swordsman back than, was just to hype him and the Roger crew some more. People like to say "awesome" too, not just Luffy. Mihawk isn't a simple stepping stone for Zorro, or else the author wouldn't have build him up as the strongest swordsman over the last 500 chapters.

Is this because he had dirt on his coat or that crap? That's not going to cut it, if he was losing to Kizaru, how did he escape Kizaru and Sentoumaru?

Do you know what losing over the course of time means? That he hasn't as much stamina as before, and so he would lose in a long lasting fight.

And if Mihawk can beat up on admirals, what is he doing serving as a dog of the government?

Why would you accept the job if you could beat the top marines? Immunity is useless if you don't fear the authority of the WG.

Anyway , don't think Mihawk joined for immunity , probably more for the opportunity of meetings with strong/promising opponents.

Does this look like he cares or fear somebody? http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/234/07/
I can't see anybody but Moria and Boa actually fearing the Government. And out of these two only Boa came because here isle was threatened, lol, only because of Luffy. She's the only one who can lose something, the rest is free to go whereever they want to.

Does he really serve the Marines? Do we know if it was a mission to take out Creek? Stop putting things as facts, when we don't know! He could have done that out of consciousness to save the weak seas, as he doesn't seem to be a bad piratesm who kills for fun, but somebody with characteristics from Luffy or Zorro.

 

[BlackHair]

Is this because he had dirt on his coat or that crap? That's not going to cut it

Actually it is, you are just blind to accept the facts. There is a reason why he was shown dirty and panting, while Kizaru clean and not panting. Panting, dirt and wounds emphasizes exhaustion and damage. If you are disagreeing with me here, then lets just stop. Just a waste of time to continue this.

Rayleigh was loosing to Kizaru, in a long run he would have been beaten for sure.

if he was losing to Kizaru, how did he escape Kizaru and Sentoumaru?

I don't know. Rayleigh was hiding from the authority for years. Im sure he has his tricks. Also you have to consider that Kuma was there too. Anything could have happened, but most likely Ray run. Since his goal was to help the SH, he had no reason to stay anymore, especially with the odds against him.

Lets put Ussop against Zoro, Im sure Ussop who is several times weaker than Zoro would still be able to escape though smoke/sting/tear gas bombs. You don't have to be stronger to run. I honestly don't get ur point.

And if Mihawk can beat up on admirals, what is he doing serving as a dog of the government?

Let's wait for a recap of Mwk. I could come up with a few reasons but Im sure you will question them so I'll stop here. But regardless, what are you implying anyway? That every Admiral is automatically stronger than Mwk?

By some peoples definition of Yonkou here it seems like they would agree with the fact that Buggy could become a Yonkou.

Who are you referring to? In my post I did say that it is about the strongest crew, not the biggest crew. With addressing the crew, I was including the captain. There are beasts beside WB himself in his crew.

You interpretation that the leader is the only strong fighter is laughable wrong. If WB would sail around solo on the seas, then 3 Admirals would do the job easily. I mean this war proofed that already. Yonko means 4 emperor. Ask urself which is more relevant: The fighting strength of the captain/emperor or the united strength of a crew/army including the leader. Take ur pick. Based on ur answer I wil answer with actual facts from the manga.

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

And if Mihawk can beat up on admirals, what is he doing serving as a dog of the government?

prolly never wanted them on his tale having access to all the governoment territories plus being reknown .

 

[BlackHair]

Mihawk is only a stepping stone for Zoro

Funny, how can be someone who is said to be the strongest swordsman just be a stepping stone? Zoro's goal is to become the strongest swordsman, which is defeating Mwk. There is nothing behind Mwk's title, beside "strongest man". But that is not Zoro's goal.

 

[Fox666]

The advantage of being a Shichibukai is immunity.

Why would you accept the job if you could beat the top marines? Immunity is useless if you don't fear the authority of the WG.

I think that's what RichardMNixon meant.

Anyway , don't think Mihawk joined for immunity , probably more for the opportunity of meetings with strong/promising opponents.

I agree that he's weaker than admirals though.

If he was stronger than an admiral, there still a chance of loosing a battle, or parts of your body in the process, or being backstabbed, or confronting two admirals... well, you got my point.

 

[St Michael]

Of course.

As much as we are concerned , Mihawk is an unknown quantity .. only GodOda knows.

However I'm a bit disappointed of his show during the arc. Ok he's unscathed , but he didn't even manage to get rid of Luffy ..

He actually did OS Daz Bones .. what else ? Nothing.

 

[urlaub]

Why are you guys not satisfied with the conclusion that Shanks is a fucking strong dude and so mis mihawk and so was WB. It was stated by Oda even. So...their strong it doesn't really matter what the exact relation between them is. I thought one piece is a little different from Dragonball or bleach.

 

[Fox666]

Of course.

As much as we are concerned , Mihawk is an unknown quantity .. only GodOda knows.

However I'm a bit disappointed of his show during the arc. Ok he's unscathed , but he didn't even manage to get rid of Luffy ..

He actually did OS Daz Bones .. what else ? Nothing.

Me too. For all Shichibukai, except Jinbei and Hancock.

Well, I suppose it's normal. The Shichibukai won't put their lifes in risk.

 

[BlackHair]

I thought one piece is a little different from Dragonball or bleach.

Why should that be any different? They are shounen manga, filled with tons of different character. It is only natural for fans trying to compare each character's fighting strength. Also I believe everyone agrees that Shanks and Mihawk are last tier calibre and equally matched.

Anyway, I don't rly get ur point. Did u never had a fighting scenario in ur head, which fight might never happen in the manga?

 

[superman97]

Who are you referring to? In my post I did say that it is about the strongest crew, not the biggest crew. With addressing the crew, I was including the captain. There are beasts beside WB himself in his crew.

You interpretation that the leader is the only strong fighter is laughable wrong. If WB would sail around solo on the seas, then 3 Admirals would do the job easily. I mean this war proofed that already. Yonko means 4 emperor. Ask urself which is more relevant: The fighting strength of the captain/emperor or the united strength of a crew/army including the leader. Take ur pick. Based on ur answer I wil answer with actual facts from the manga.

I don't think only the leader needs to be a strong fighter without a strong crew to be a Yonkou. However, with all the BEASTS in the world in your crew there is nothing stopping them from easily being wiped out by the Marines without that one Captain that can outright beatdown the Admirals. It took 3 Admirals, Blackbeards crew, plus some to take down a 77 year old SICK man with a HOLE in his chest. That is what it takes to be a Yonkou.

Example from the manga? Morias crew was wiped out completely by a Yonkou, yet Moria is still a Schichibukai. Kuma has no crew.... NOR WAS ANY SHICHIBUKAI ASKED TO BRING THEIR CREW TO THE WAR. To get a title such as Shichibukai, Admiral, or Yonkou it is all about the individual.

For the Strongest swordsman debate, look at real life sports. You can be the best hitter in baseball, but not the best player. You need to be good all around.

If you look at the Shabondy arc, all of the supernovas and their crews were fodder compared to an Admiral. It wasn't until a single extremely powerful individual stepped in (Rayleigh) that the playing field was made even.