Gorousei's emblem

[Geez]

Good Evening ! Buenas tardes ! Bonsoir !

Since I couldn’t find anything on the forum about my problem, I created this thread hoping that answers will come

Among the mysteries of OP, the blank century seems the biggest. Thus, I’ve been naturally curious about the Gorousei and been looking for every bit of information I could get. This leads me to this page, and more particularly this image:

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It’s the first time I see this emblem which seems to belong to them. I do reckon it has a meaning, an history, but I am not skilled at analyzing this kinda thing… could anyone help me ?

The only thing I can think about is that the first little circles, in the center, represent them. But the image is too blurry, we can’t see well what is drawn Then, the two squares holding the big circle would represent the allied nations under their control. Finally, three elements outside seem to protect the circles. What would they be ? …Weapons ?
If this emblem represents the history of Gorousei, who may have destroyed an entire kingdom, the weapons must be really powerful !

In mythology, Earth have been “divided” for three gods: Pluton (Hades) reigns over Hell, Poseidon controls the Sea and finally Zeus reigns over the Sky. And so far, we know only two ancient weapons: Pluton and Poseidon. I think there are indeed three ancient weapons, represented in this image by the protective elements. Furthermore, that would mean that Gorousei used them to protect/attack, which leads to another issue: what the hell ?
If they need marines and pirates to hunt other pirates, they can’t possibly have the weapons anymore. Has the Fallen Kingdom managed to seal them before vanishing ? Are the Stones Installation/destruction Instructions ?

Finally, if they did have hidden the Ancient Weapons so that Gorousei don’t find it for their own account, they must have hidden it well. Zeus is king of the skies, consequently we can assume that the third weapon may fly. Besides, when I thought about his power, a memory hit me. Enel found an army on the Moon, I’m sure he found a ship too, so that he may come to the New World. What if he ran into the third Ancient Weapon ? Knowing Zeus can manipulate Lightning Bolts, I wouldn’t be surprised if the third weapon needed electricity to function.

Am I going too far? Is there anything that can be correct ? Does Harry Potter 7 really suck ?

 

[Aikidoka]

Congrats on the catch Geez! I went back to their first appearance (here) and the emblem was there way back then.

I don't know if it'll turn out to be plot-changing, but the fact that it's shown up only with the Gorousei (that we know of at least) should mean something -- with Oda you never know. =P At the very least it would be the source of some backstory like with the Tenryuubito marks on the Boa sisters, or the Sun Pirates (?) with Fisher Tiger. But I was reminded by this from the Databooks thread:

Green Data Book

Verification: confirmed
Source: AP
Credits: Greg

- They suggest that Ener has yet more ambition and he's heading towards it with his army.

I've been wondering since I saw that quote how Oda could legitimately bring Enel back into the story (as the quote implies), and your theory could be the way Oda is going to bring together all the loose threads.

Once again, good catch!

 

[Channy]

Well i guess this is a good time to talk about the other Wold Government symbol as well

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080810225037/onepiece/images/c/c0/144.jpeg

what im think is that it might be a reference to Reverse mountain with the four sections being North blue, South blue, East blue, West blue and then the middle of the plus like symbol being the top of Reverse mountain

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

Thanks Geez for your post. Nobody had noticed that there was a symbol which appears all around the Gorusei's room, on the walls. For the three things around the big circle which indeed seem to protect it, my first thought is that they represent the 3 strongholds of the World Government: Enies Lobby, Impel Down and Marineford Marine Headquarters.

There are some sign at the middle of the symbol, in the more little circle. I think that it is important since it is the symbol's core. Strangely, at first glance, it looks like ID's symbol but that does not make sense, does it ? That's probably something else but it's a bit difficult to read. We should look in every chapter where the Gorusei or Mariejois are showed to see if the symbol appear elsewhere.

what im think is that it might be a reference to Reverse mountain with the four sections being North blue, South blue, East blue, West blue and then the middle of the plus like symbol being the top of Reverse mountain

The World Government's flag represents the four seas all connected to the Grand Line. Spandam explained its meaning during the Enies Lobby incident, before Luffy asked Sogeking to burn it.

 

[RezzieThaRapper]

Wow, this is truly thought provoking. Bravo on your post Geez.

If the Gouresei had the three weapons and used them to wipe entire centuries away, this could come into play at any time during the story.

My belief is that the Weapons had to have been stopped by the "Will of D." and this is why they no longer have them.

Another thing. Look below.
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Pluton - The Weapon of Hades - Can Be Built, or Found Thanks to the Poneglyphs

Poseidon - The Weapon of The Sea - Supposedly found by Roger, as mentioned & hinted on by Shiki, and can be found by Poneglyphs

Zues - The Weapon of Heaven - A supposed, and likely plausible weapon that may be Eneru's ticket back into the story.

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With these weapons, another great war WILL happen. History will be revealed, History will be forgotten, and History will be written

 

[chess4]

i think each of the 3 different races that came from the moon had a special weapon. the skypeia arc will have a great significance on the story but later on when more info on the void century is revealed.

 

[Meschea]

Hi everyone.
I also think that three symbol out of the circle are three gates of justice and Enies Lobby,İmpel Down and Marine headquarters.And i think three circle can symbolize three big powers ensure the security of the symbol at the center.,1.Gorousei,2.Yonkou and 3.Shicibukai...At the center there is a symbol that has four corners.I think that can symbolize the Tenryubitto.You also know the tattoo of the tenryubitto.Three nails front and a nail back.There are four of them.All of the these powers secure the safety of them.And also these circles describe their social status.Tenryubiitos are the center of the wg after them gorousei...And the two squares.They have 8 corners.I think the war in void centruy take 800 years.Each corner symbolize each century.
What do you think?sorry about my rude English...

 

[Geez]

There are some sign at the middle of the symbol, in the more little circle. I think that it is important since it is the symbol's core. Strangely, at first glance, it looks like ID's symbol but that does not make sense, does it ? That's probably something else but it's a bit difficult to read. We should look in every chapter where the Gorusei or Mariejois are showed to see if the symbol appear elsewhere.

Now that you point it out, with the poor quality, it look alike a little
But yes, i don't find any reason either, if it was the case. I think it's something else but we can't see it right now and we won't see it until a better image comes out... 'cause i've searched through the chapters and the picture i posted was the better one
However, if your theory (Enies lobby, HQ and ID) is correct i doubt the center of the emblem represents the Gorousei. I mean, this giant whirlpool intrigues me, what is supposed to be at the very bottom ? Something hidden ?

And i think three circle can symbolize three big powers ensure the security of the symbol at the center.,1.Gorousei,2.Yonkou and 3.Shicibukai...[...]And the two squares.They have 8 corners.I think the war in void centruy take 800 years.Each corner symbolize each century.
What do you think?

Hi ^^ I don't agree with these two parts: I think an emblem doesn't evolve that much during his "life". So if it was created 800 years ago, when there were no pirates, it couldn't symbolize the three current big powers. Besides, corners symbolizing centuries gives me a one little practical issue... How do you represents 7 centuries ? The emblem must be stable thus symmetric, it would be troublesome to change it every century

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@Aikidoka, i read your post and came to the page you quoted. If you check the previous one of the same chapter, you see the shape of the castle in the Holy land of Mariejoa. Curiously, it reminds me the three protective elements' shape, but it might just be a coincidence

 

[Meschea]

As i said before i think the war between wg+20 kingdom and Ancient kingdom is about 800 years(my opinion)in void centaury.Not only take the war.Also take the preparations for the revolution like dragon making.I think tenryubittos make same preparations for defeating Ancient Kingdom.This war+preparations represent the foundation of todays Wg.Because of these i said each corner represent one century
And three powers gorousei talk about.Their names can be diffirent is the past.They can reform it for the sake of power balance.The circles also can describe another thing.Its just my opinion.

 

[RezzieThaRapper]

There was a ship called Pluton in the battle of Tralfalgar in 1804

It had 74 guns and was known as a line cutter (A ship that infiltrates enemy lines?)

I know that we are expecting enel to find Zues in Space... but what I'm about to say is probably unrelated to Oda's inspiration this is probably irrelavent but there was thismission from Nasa that was coined Posidon, and there are many battle ships and basic rescue ships named Poseidon in history

Zues - though I found no notable weapons or vehicles of battle or interest under the Greek name, under the Roman name Jupiter, I found "mine layers", the nick name of illegal Rocket Launchers, Old warships, among other things

Under mythology -

Zues, Posiedon, & Pluton(Hades) were brothers...

Zues reigned from the Sky, he literally controlled the thunder and lightning and even the wind... He, like most of the other Gods felt he was greater than any human or demi-god... Contrary to popular belief, his power isn't the nicest thing, nor was he a benevolent God... Zues has an ego as great as Posiedon's or Hades... They all craved power, but Zues would rather have balance over destruction, but he refused weakness... His power grows based on the strength of humanity

Poseidon is the one who reigned the Sea's and the Ocean, effectively giving him control over 80% of the planet, he is a territorial hog, and his brothers, even the great king Zues were banished from his plane of control in the mortal world. He is the most intelligent of the three massive gods, and got his power from the wisdom of humanity (this effectively making him the weakest of the trio... honestly people aren't smart)

Hades is bad ass... I recommend that all of you look him up in your spare time... the stories involving Hades vary from simple trickery, to barbaric tendencies. He Murders, He Rapes, He goes to war, and he gets fuel from fear and anger (effectively making him stronger than Zues when a war is brought about)

----- How does any of this tie into One Piece --- Or the Gouresei ---

The Council of The Gods - Which led to the imprisonment and release of the Titans in couple of forms of the story. In some renditions their decision is more of a minor thing for the gods, but in other renditions their decision beat even Zues' mighty power.

Their decisions can set in motion peace and war, and they had no way to control the power of the gods, so they at many times wanted to strip their power, in order to bring law and order in admist of chaos.

They once released the titans to do battle with the gods, in order to gain control...

If we could call The Shichbukai the Titans, and whitebeard a walking Persona of Posiedon, that parrallel is creepily simalar that it's almost scary.

 

[Geez]

@Meschea I think i get what you say ! i don't agree 'cause it seems complicated but since we're just throwing hypothesis we're all right and wrong for the time being

@RezzieThaRapper You're right on spot for the pluton's ship !

Zeus was just a name i gave to strengthen my idea. Pluton was in Roman mythology, Poseidon in Greek mythology so maybe the third weapon has a name inspired from another one. If Oda remains in the mediterranean sea, we could actually have a Egyptian name like Amon-re but if he goes north with Scandinavian mythology we could have Odin (main god) or Thor (god of thunder... and it does sound cool ).

 

[RezzieThaRapper]

@Meschea I think i get what you say ! i don't agree 'cause it seems complicated but since we're just throwing hypothesis we're all right and wrong for the time being

@RezzieThaRapper You're right on spot for the pluton's ship !

Zeus was just a name i gave to strengthen my idea. Pluton was in Roman mythology, Poseidon in Greek mythology so maybe the third weapon has a name inspired from another one. If Oda remains in the mediterranean sea, we could actually have a Egyptian name like Amon-re but if he goes north with Scandinavian mythology we could have Odin (main god) or Thor (god of thunder... and it does sound cool ).

Okay after I saw the Bolded area... I did some more research..

Possibilities for the final weapon - Based on relation to Zeus & Jupiter... but not directly from their part in mythology

Norse Mythology - Wotan, Woden, Odin

Egyptian Mythology - No exact match, the closest God could be Amon-Re or the Lightning God - Reshep

African Mythology (Not Egyptian Though) - Shango, Warrior God of Thunder and Hope

Japanese Mythology - Raijin or Raiden would be close to an equivalent
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This is of course assuming that Oda is trying to simulate the (Zeus, Poseidon, Hades// Jupiter, Neptune, Pluton relationship)

These are the closest beings (Closest overall being Odin/Wotan) who could be called gods without being from Roman or Greek Mythos

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The next two lightning gods I listed because they started with the letter "P"

Eurasian Mythology - Perkunos , Perendi

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[Anduren]

I like all the theories here about the Gorousei and the ancient weapons. But I wanted to point out that we shouldn't automatically assume that there are only 3 ancient weapons. So far, what we know about them is that they existed in the past from the time when the poneglyphs were made (before or during the void century) and that Pluton is a battleship that can destroy islands. We only know that there is an ancient weapon called Poseidon (not that it has anything to do with water). For all we know it could be a land weapon or a sky weapon, and the same would go for any other 1+ ancient weapons we will find out about in the future. We also can't assume that if there was an ancient weapon named after someone like Odin, it will have anything to do with a lightning affinity. But I think the reason the Gorousei know about the ancient weapons' existence and the effects of their use is for the same reason the Japanese (and the rest of the world) know about the atom bomb: It was used against them during a war. They know that the ancient weapons exist and what they are capable of but don't know how to make them or use them, which is why they OK'd Spandam's efforts to find Pluton's blueprints.

 

[chess4]

the gorousei are ancient warriors who led the attack on the ancient kingdom.

 

[sh4dx]

something like this chess4.The gorousei at Ohara incident looked exactly like today and it was more than 20 years before.Some believe it has to do with Bonney but i don't think this because her powers don't seem permament(perhaps vegapunk or someone else find another way but right now we don't have a clue) and i also believe that they are DIRECT involved with the ancient kingdom and his destroy.
About the mythology,i am from greece and both Pluton and Poseidon were gods of our ancient mythology.Zeus or "Dias" as we know him here in Greece was the Leader of all the Gods and had control over lightning.

 

[Uriel]

Well, thanks for rebumping this thread. I hadn't see it. Quite a surprise.

You know, maybe those aren't weapons. Maybe it's something else, bigger or greater. The three details looks the same and equal to each other, which means that they are all alike in their function. And they're containing the rest. Hmmm.

And the center could be Impel Down. What if Impel Down wasn't at first a prison? What if the D.s lived there and that place was taken from them? What if Impel Down has more secret than we think it has?

I'm just throwing some lines there.

 

[sh4dx]

About the ancient weapons, i don't know but after we were introduced to guys like aokiji,kizaru,wb recenlty and many others i will find it awkward that some weapon/ship/whatever THING makes an appearence and be equal/more powerful than so many REALLY POWERFUL characters.
It just seems weird that some kind of super/high technology is as strong as some people who were introduced and we saw them freezing oceans,making enormous tsunamis and the list continues i think you get the point.It just feels weird and even if i believe oda at some time of the story(probably near the end/or at the great war)will bring these weapons i don't really like this idea..Is it just me or there are others who thinks the same way ?

Don't get me wrong but i think it's a bit lame that there are some things/weapons/ships or whatever these weapons are that are stronger/equal than the likes of wb etc etc..Afterall characters like wb,aokiji,akainu and many others could easily destroy a whole island/country with their DF powers and even jozu with brute strenght threw a HUGE iceburg with the size of what? 3-4 times Oars or maybe bigger,so i don't think there is a big deal for guys like these to struggle against some kind of weapon..

 

[Darek Khort]

About the ancient weapons, i don't know but after we were introduced to guys like aokiji,kizaru,wb recenlty and many others i will find it awkward that some weapon/ship/whatever THING makes an appearence and be equal/more powerful than so many REALLY POWERFUL characters.
It just seems weird that some kind of super/high technology is as strong as some people who were introduced and we saw them freezing oceans,making enormous tsunamis and the list continues i think you get the point.It just feels weird and even if i believe oda at some time of the story(probably near the end/or at the great war)will bring these weapons i don't really like this idea..Is it just me or there are others who thinks the same way ?

Perhaps the devil fruits are themselves ancient weapons, and that these devil fruits were in fact originally just 3. Perhaps certain Ds had managed to split the devil fruits apart, reducing their power.
It would give impetus to why Blackbeard has 2 devil fruits - perhaps he found a way to possibly combine them again and has managed to combine two together.

 

[Uriel]

It could be the 3 types of Devil's Fruit as well, if we look symbolism.

 

[Geez]

@sh4dx, I can't confirm anything about their actual power but the fact is: the ancient weapons do exist. If the WG is so interested in these weapons, then they must be somehow useful... or powerful as written in the poneglyph! And yes these "THINGS" will make an appearance. In fact, they already did when they were first mentioned in Arabasta.

We just don't know how they will appear. I like the ideas of Darek Khort and LordUriel, Oda once told he wasn't really skilled in robots' design so the weapons aren't necessarily some advanced constructions but rather Devil Fruits... or both! In Pluton's case, it was said to be a huge warship but maybe it is supposed to be triggered by one specific Devil Fruit. The same way Ener's power will be able to activate Zeus, his brand new ship found on Moon