Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Finestela]

Kenshin... Sort of
Neuro, not really
Death Note, definitely not
Level E, Typical Togeshi's "I'm bored so let's cut it" ending
I''s... Erm... I'm a bit on the fence for this one
Have not read, so can't comment on these: Sandland, Kajika, Cowa

I don't know, my personal view on a proper ending would be something along the lines of Ushio to Tora and Rave.

Isn't a new JoJo's arc starting soon

Yep, which is why I said you can call him not letting go, even though the arcs could be seen as independent series by itself, and it wouldn't really hurt you if you skip one or two and read the newer ones.

 

[StrangerAtaru]

I always thought Nube had a great ending, but that was a unique situation: the mangaka essentially said later they did the stories they wanted to early on and essentially tied up some loose ends when they lost popularity and came up with a really satisfying conclusion. There is also Otokojuku...but I think that series did it the greatest way possible: no one reading us anymore, let's just blow everything up and call it a day.

As for Naruto's situation...well it essentially is in an endgame scenario, the problem is just how long it will play out and how much the war is influenced by Kishi and how much by the Jump editors. We'll have to see how he does it, but the problem is both in trying to work to a conclusion and how many loose ends he needs to clean up to get to it.

 

[ZayCon]

Really good Bakuman chapter this week! Looking forward to this new arc

Also Beelzebub was funny. Alain as a sword was just epic!

 

[Asgaroth]

i think the ending of deaht note were perfect.

Spoiler: Death Note Ending

his death ended his way of the story entirely, not to forget his characteristic with the wide open easy and commendaing attitude. yeah there are deathnote all over the world if he want to do something new in this universe, but he wont do it. its like a small chapter in the story of the earth, which began and ended with yagami lights life.

psyren was good at the beginning, but later got worse, so i don't think much of the end, but it seems to me to be well rounded up without loose ends.

 

[ZayCon]

Personally I think both the Death Note and the Dragonball ending was good. Psyren wasn't that good, and for me it was a little rushed. I also think the Prince of Tennis "ending" was amazing.

 

[ChocoBar9]

Talking about endings... Have any JUMP manga ever had a nice, satisfaying, conclusive ending???
Apart from Yu-Gi-Oh! which IMO seemed like an overall nice end to the series, I really can't think of any popular JUMP manga with a nice ending :/

You need to read more manga
Ring ni Kakero
Hokuto no Ken
Kimagure Orange Road
Rokudenashi Blues
Slam Dunk
Rurōni Kenshin
Hōshin Engi
Rookies
Eyeshield 21

All had relatively nice and conclusive endings, it's really just a matter or perspective, obviously YYH and Dragonball are endings that basically say "sorry guys I ran out of ideas so I'm wrapping things up" while Psyren and
Neuro or more "well, we got canceled" endings.

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Personally I think both the Death Note and the Dragonball ending was good. Psyren wasn't that good, and for me it was a little rushed. I also think the Prince of Tennis "ending" was amazing.

That ending was terrible and not very conclusive at all

 

[Sayaendo]

All had relatively nice and conclusive endings, it's really just a matter or perspective, obviously YYH and Dragonball are endings that basically say "sorry guys I ran out of ideas so I'm wrapping things up" while Psyren and
Neuro or more "well, we got canceled" endings.

Really? Neuro? I thought Neuro's ending was one of the most well paced, well built up and coherent ending in Jump (it was also really awesome and fun). It wasn't anywhere near the rushed mess the Psyren ending was.

That's neither here nor there though. Just wanted to point it out.

 

[ChocoBar9]

Really? Neuro? I thought Neuro's ending was one of the most well paced, well built up and coherent ending in Jump (it was also really awesome and fun). It wasn't anywhere near the rushed mess the Psyren ending was.
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I disagree, the final arc was a mess and the ending wasn't near as satisfying as you're making it out to be

 

[Kaiten]

I find it quite sad for a serie such as Naruto to do that. It's not like it has more than 500 chapters already. 1 or 2 volumes more won't really change. It's one of the big hit that will sell well forever. btw do we know what are the sale of Dragon ball in present days ? Honestly this make me stop reading it.
That's quite funny because when we learned that Kekkaishi would end in 2 chapters, everyone agree that it was really short. I guess the author can say stop when he really wants to.

The last few months of Naruto were kind of lame, but the truth is some of the most epochal moments in Jump history were thought up by the editors, not mangaka. An editor insisted that Naruto have a rival, thus Kishi created Sasuke. Like him or not the series is better for having him. If it were not for his editor, Toriyama would never have written an action manga. He's a comedy mangaka, but action hero series like Fist of the North Star was the hot genre when Dr. Slump ended. So Toriyama created an action series with gag manga art: Dragonball. Which would have ended with Frieza without editorial interference.

Talking about endings... Have any JUMP manga ever had a nice, satisfaying, conclusive ending???
Apart from Yu-Gi-Oh! which IMO seemed like an overall nice end to the series, I really can't think of any popular JUMP manga with a nice ending :/
Please not SPOILERS, or put SPOILERS or something LOL.
What I mean is.. I can't think of an ending which wasn't an open-ending... Like if the author feel like it he/she could continue its story.
I.e. Dragon Ball's ending, which I guess most will be familiar with (and if not.. Go read it!) if Toriyama ever felt like doing a continuation he just makes it so that Goku and Uub finished their training and a villian appears..

Dragonball ended like it did because Toriyama wanted to end fourteen volumes and three arcs earlier. Yu-Gi-Oh hasn't ended yet, there have been countless continuations and spin offs.

That ending was terrible and not very conclusive at all

Prince of Tennis has not ended yet either. The first chapter of Shin PoT picks up right where the last Weekly Jump chapter left off.

 

[Googlez_kun]

Dragonball ended like it did because Toriyama wanted to end fourteen volumes and three arcs earlier. Yu-Gi-Oh hasn't ended yet, there have been countless continuations and spin offs.

But do they count as canon?I mean,did Takahashi actually work on GX and 5 D's(and now Zextral(sp?))?

 

[Kaiten]

Kenshin... Sort of
Neuro, not really
Death Note, definitely not
Level E, Typical Togeshi's "I'm bored so let's cut it" ending
I''s... Erm... I'm a bit on the fence for this one
Have not read, so can't comment on these: Sandland, Kajika, Cowa

I don't know, my personal view on a proper ending would be something along the lines of Ushio to Tora and Rave.

I thought Death Notes ending was pretty good. The problem, to me, was that it should have ended earlier. There were to many useless arcs before the ending.

Level E definitely had an abrupt ending, but at least it was a short semi-episodic series. The fact that there it had nothing like a conclusive ending doesn't hurt it in my opinion. Still a classic.

Yep, which is why I said you can call him not letting go, even though the arcs could be seen as independent series by itself, and it wouldn't really hurt you if you skip one or two and read the newer ones.

I've heard you could pick the series up with any of the arc, so long as you know plot basics. I still haven't read any. The only thing I've read by Araki is Lives of Eccentrics, which is quite fantastic.

But do they count as canon?I mean,did Takahashi actually work on GX and 5 D's(and now Zextral(sp?))?

I don't know if you can really draw a line because the series has been passed down to another writer. Yu-Gi-Oh is as much a brand as a manga now anyway, I suppose.

 

[Galactic Tomahawk]

I liked Neuro's ending as well. Considering how much extra time Matsui used to wrap everything up (He meant to end it the year before he actually did) it's not anywhere near what I'd call a "Well, we got cancelled" scenario. He could have done it to avoid cancellation down the road, but I'm pretty certain he was able to end things on his own terms.

I don't think an open ended conclusion necessarily means they ran out of ideas or got canned, some writers just don't want to totally shut the door on their universe when they're done.

 

[saladesu]

Don't forget we have a thread for Best Manga Endings

Anyway, I thought Psyren had a decent ending for the situation it was in. It could have been a lot better, yes, but given the circumstances, it was probably the best we could have asked for. Way better than say, Double Arts. I also quite liked Rurouni Kenshin's ending. The manga could have been longer, but it was satisfying as it was, imo.

 

[Kaiten]

Double Arts was a little different. Komi seemed to struggle to maintain a coherent story, Double Arts seemed to lose direction by the end of volume 1. That is why I think it was canceled in the first place, initial chapters polled in the top 5 but crashed as the story wore on. There was no way it was going to end well.

 

[Koen]

Imo DA's problem wasn't an issue of (in)coherent story but it was more an issue of the pace. I think that you can not blame Komi having lost a certain thin red line in his story. Hist story was always very good, interesting and spot on but it didn't progress at all. The pace was so slow and reading a chapter was more a boredom than an enjoyment. He was a victim of the total opposite. Most mangaka rush things because they don't know it anymore, Komi slowed things because he knew it.

 

[Finestela]

Psyren's ending got scrambled a bit by the introduction of Nova. While I love the concept of Nova, Psyren just didn't have enough time left to let it really shine, and it turned into a God-mode/Ex Deus Machina of the series.

As far as DA's pacing goes, I think it boils down to how you define "Pace". The flow speed of the chapter seemed fine to me (compare to Bleach or Naruto = ="), the problem is more of "ok, something happened, but what does it tell you in terms of overall story?", the development of the overall plot.

 

[Kaiten]

As far as DA's pacing goes, I think it boils down to how you define "Pace". The flow speed of the chapter seemed fine to me (compare to Bleach or Naruto = ="), the problem is more of "ok, something happened, but what does it tell you in terms of overall story?", the development of the overall plot.

That was exactly what I thought. When the first villain (I forget the names) was introduced, they had a short fight, but not even the smallest detail was revealed about DA's world. He was introduced, they fought, he left, and things carried on as if nothing had happened. The manga itself was very likable, I was rooting for it from beginning to end, but he wasted a lot of potential. I still think he is capable of writing a great manga, I am really looking forward to his next serialization.

I gave up on Psyren long before the ending, I really have nothing to say about it. My favorite ending for a cancelled series was Dogashi Kaden. I loved having the main character break his arm (?), ruining his freshman season before it started. Great analogy for a canceled sports series

 

[Divinenega]

As far as Psyren goes, I think the ending by itself was great. It;s just that everything leading to that point for the last 15 chapters or so before then was bad.

 

[R4n]

All had relatively nice and conclusive endings, it's really just a matter or perspective, obviously YYH and Dragonball are endings that basically say "sorry guys I ran out of ideas so I'm wrapping things up"

this is rather off topic, but i just want to say this

Spoiler

Toriyama-sensei wanted to end Dragonball much earlier several times before the real ending. But it got vetoed by his editor(s) that persuaded him to add more arcs because it was so popular.
To be honest, i can't see it go longer than what it is. Goku and his friends had grown too strong that adding more enemies for them to beat up doesn't really make sense, plot-wise. The fact was lampshaded numerous times in the Buu arc.

 

[SoulEaterFreak]

Little info about Jump #23
Official Release Date: Monday, 16th May

New Series: "Hanasaka Ikkyu" by Kenta Komiyama ⁄ Yuya Kawada(Cover & Lead Color Page)
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