Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[R4n]

^ don't forget that more 'loose ends' can still be created. It's really hard to predict whether a series can end or not. The author or the publisher can choose to continue if they want to. Dragonball for example, the storyline can actually ended cleanly after Piccolo, Freeza, or Cell saga but Toriyama-sensei continued it anyway. (I am actually happy about it) :P

plus, i can't say KHR has a 'clean pacing'... the plot is messy and all over the place, judging whether it is approaching end is rather tricky. Oh well, the main attraction of khr for me is the characters anyway...

 

[Nuno]

^ don't forget that more 'loose ends' can still be created. It's really hard to predict whether a series can end or not. The author or the publisher can choose to continue if they want to. Dragonball for example, the storyline can actually ended cleanly after Piccolo, Freeza, or Cell saga but Toriyama-sensei continued it anyway. (I am actually happy about it) :P

Toriyama wanted to stop twice. First after Frieza and then after Cell and make Gohan the "new hero", passing down the torch so to speak from Goku to Gohan and thus ending Goku and Dragonball's story. Both times his editors forced him to continue as he was bringing in the big cash and had massive popularity. It's called milking the cow. By marketing defintion Dragonball was somewhere between a Star/Cash cow.

In Kishi's case it would make little sense for him to be forced into a "part 3". His main characters have basically become godlike, bringing in even stronger villains out of the blue would not only be highly weird in a "logical" world like Naruto, but also completely break the power levels DBZ style. In Dragonball it was more believeable as the whole universe was included, so Toriyama could easily write in new villains without it being unbelieveable. But in Naruto it would just suck. In a world where information is key to survival it would be weird for a new super-uber villain to suddenly pop out of the blue.... Unless someone pulled a Kabuto but not only absorbs Orochimaru, but Madara, Hashirama, Sasuke and Naruto's DNA as well to become the super android beast of destruction and 9000 power.

So yeah, I think Naruto will end without continuing into a part 3. Hopefully. However that's still long ways off. End of next year at the earliest.

On another note, hopefully Bleach will pick up the rankings in a couple of weeks. If not then I swear the voters have gone mad. Rate it low, but don't bottom it for no reason.

 

[Koen]

Am I the only who understands Bleach's lower ratings? This arc started very promising with some great mysteries and everything coming along with it BUT bleach is digressing into boredom imo. I know that this statement won't give me sympathy but you have to be honest, the antagonists and protagonists are really on the square and bland. I kinda understand the ratings and imo, as the manga is continuing, I can only see bleach getting back in the middle part. Not higher

 

[Googlez_kun]

Am I the only who understands Bleach's lower ratings? This arc started very promising with some great mysteries and everything coming along with it BUT bleach is digressing into boredom imo. I know that this statement won't give me sympathy but you have to be honest, the antagonists and protagonists are really on the square and bland. I kinda understand the ratings and imo, as the manga is continuing, I can only see bleach getting back in the middle part. Not higher

You're not the only one.
Furthermore,i think that the JUMP readers realized that several other titles are simply better currently or simply gave them a chance after being dissapointed by the recent developments in Bleach.

 

[Nuno]

To be honest, I found much of the Arrancar Arc far more bland than this. It was full of side characters that I consider boring fighting, fighting, and then fighting a couple of more weeks, week after week.

Personally I only had an issue with this arc around the fat doll period. After that it got a lot better although not that good really. A spot around 5-7 would be justified, but 12th etc is just way overkill. I think the fans are just waiting for some real plot and are fed up with his "boring powers".

Spoiler

I expect the rankings to pick up a little in a couple of weeks. In chapter 444 Ichigo gets some real powers back, and after that the chapters were fairly interesting.

 

[[Cross]]

^ don't forget that more 'loose ends' can still be created. It's really hard to predict whether a series can end or not. The author or the publisher can choose to continue if they want to. Dragonball for example, the storyline can actually ended cleanly after Piccolo, Freeza, or Cell saga but Toriyama-sensei continued it anyway. (I am actually happy about it) :P

plus, i can't say KHR has a 'clean pacing'... the plot is messy and all over the place, judging whether it is approaching end is rather tricky. Oh well, the main attraction of khr for me is the characters anyway...

Well that goes without saying, considering what happened to Dragon Ball. But going with what we have, there isn't much of anything to continue the series after a couple of key things get settled. It's kinda boring right now.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Spoiler

It looks like volume 29 of Hunter x Hunter also going to release on August.

 

[Bomber D Rufi]

Someone was asking about these.

Anime Ratings, the latest numbers:
Ao Ex:4.1%---3.4%---(Below 4.7%)---(Below 4.2%)
(The number for 3 and 4 won't be available until the magazine publishing the complete data is out, due to the fact that it's too low in the time slot to be ranked in the telephone data inquiry. The "below xx%" number is simply the lowest ranked rating at the same time slot.)
Beelze:1.7%---2.0%---3.0%---2.5%---3.1%---2.6%---3.1%
Bleach: 3.8%---2.3%---1.7%---2.2%---1.6%---2.1%

Finestela, how are Gintama's ratings? I know they've historically been just average, and the DVD sales have more than made up for the ratings, but I'm curious. And Beelze isn't doing so hot, not that it's surprising. *Shakes fist at Pierrot* Nasty animation and poor pacing can make even a great manga like Beelze seem like a shoddy afterthought.

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Spoiler

It looks like volume 29 of Hunter x Hunter also going to release on August.

Wow. I wonder how many chapters we'll get this run? Will Togashi use his video game logic when writing the manga and go for a high score of 30 chapters this run? Or Game over at 20 again? Or less? Let the games begin! (In August.)

 

[SoulEaterFreak]

Wow. I wonder how many chapters we'll get this run? Will Togashi use his video game logic when writing the manga and go for a high score of 30 chapters this run? Or Game over at 20 again? Or less? Let the games begin! (In August.)

Don't know if it's right, but I've seen that Volume 27 only goes up to chapter 290, so there're already 20 chapter available for tankoubons o_o

 

[Asgaroth]

... -> summary: naruto will not get a part 3

i also think so, but nothing is impossible. he could do a break like kubo did with bleach. but there are possible other ways to do it. the kyuubi could be set free or implented in someone other or these enourmus statue with all this monster power in it from 1-7 tail could be completed and isn't to use for the moon plan, but something total different that even madar doesn't know or can control. i can write more like that but i gues you see what i mean. if you want to do more, you can... im not saying it could be good/better but its possible.

Ending:

khr: after the future arc i thought it would end. i mean he goes to the future were stronger characters are as in the "current" time, so the current time would be boring. to be fair, it's quite boring with looser enma and demon spade. i mean the future guys should have won against him, otherwise the future had looked other than it did.

medaka: yeah absolutly within a year.

one pice: with the dead of oda... so probably in 30-40 years? ^^

naruto: next year, if he drags it more out like he currently does.

 

[Finestela]

If 29 is coming out in August, that would make the August restart rumor from the original blog posting more plausible, as oppose to a July restart.

But August isn't the traditional in/out period for series... are they going to be doing 1 shots for the 4 weeks in the mean time?

 

[Jaymie]

Now that's justice right there. The fans put up with Kubo's crap during the Arrancar arc because they believed that it was leading up to something awesome (and it arguably did), but this arc is just a pitfall.

 

[meeedoooz]

what do these numbers on the ( x-axis ) mean

 

[Akiyama]

what do these numbers on the ( x-axis ) mean

Issue #

 

[Ikzer]

They are the magazine number, from 2010-23 to 2011-23 i guess.

 

[aymrm]

i guess it's normal for bleach to be that low, most of it beacause of the lost of the original plot, the evil guy, his powers and most of the allies. it's almost like start an arc from zero.

 

[k-dom]

Is Sket Dance usually that high in the TOC ? I remember it more in the middle ranks. That's quite a pleasant surprise to see it in the top 5. And it is seems we can stop worrying for Mago for a few time.

 

[Asgaroth]

Is Sket Dance usually that high in the TOC ? I remember it more in the middle rane. That's quite a pleasant surprise to see it in the top 5.

somehow i don't read gintama. (just till chapter 40). at the beginning i thought it was funny, but then it got lame so i stopped. sket dance is good in an all time view. we got some overall story plots, like

Spoiler

the brother thing, some pasts and the love storys between the main charas

i dont know if something like that is in gintama, if so then not in the beginning. is just really short story without a overall main plot/goal or a timeline like in sket dance/ harry potter so you could figure out that it will end naturally. the funniest thing about gintama for me were the qoute's from the mangaka. everey volume he whine about his success and that he must do more chapters, like hirimaru from bakuman ^^

 

[k-dom]

The serious parts of Gintama are more action based and they are pretty good. It's completely surrealistic like everything in Gintama but well done. It's funny because we had a Gintama vs Sket Dance a few days ago in the Gintama thread, I suggest you have a look at it.

 

[perroloco]

I just skipped through pages of the lastest BLEACH.. Boring as hell IMO..

Spoiler: Bleach 448 spoilers

BUT!! a shinigami appeared in the last page (cliffhanger as the only thing we get to see is the shingami's sandals) my guess is Rukia.. or Hitsugaya, Renji, don't know why, I know it would be logical to be Rukia..
Also BLEACH has a JUMBO color poster next week so its like 2+2=4 in this case the mega poster means a popular character reapperance.. and sadly this will make BLEACHtards go @OMG!! RUKIAz!! gotta vote for BLICH!! Epic!! so I don't expect BLEACH to rank so low after Rukia shows up.