Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2011 - 2012] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Negative Syndicate]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

Well, maybe it Would leave the bottom 5 if Wsj Would actually promote it more! XD I find that a bit unfair, while Bleach and Kuroko had low points they were given tons of color pages in order to promote them and get higher up in the rankings, I suppose they have some sort of logic behind it at wsj for picking on Nura, but I don't see it。Lol


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Bleach is already more successful than Nurarihyon and its overall ranking is still better than Nurarihyon (it hass 4th highest tank sales within current Jump series). So, it was not weird that it gets more promotion than Nurarihyon.

For Kuroko, after anime announcement, it fell to bottom 5, but it managed to pull itself up. Also, Kuroko managed to stay higher than Nurarihyon on average ranking.

 

[Zeromcd]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

Zeromcd
Is that a Medaka Box spin-off or just a one-shot?

It's just a spin-off extra chapter.

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I will also do this years series averages tonight if somebody hasn't done them by then. But just by looking through the rankings Nurarihyon is most likely going to be last, hell, Nurarihyon didn't even enter the top 10 in any Issue at all this year (Not including CP's).

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Also, with the rate alot of the series are going, many of them seem to be winding down. With the lack of new successful series coming in, and old series ending, I think a couple of series will end this year. We have had no series end in 2011, and Jaguar was the only series ending in 2010 which didn't really make room for anything considering it was a 5page gag manga at the end of Jump each Issue.
My thoughts:

- Bakuman will no doubt end in 2012
- Medaka Box will probably end in 2012, unless Nisio pulls something >.>
- Inumaru Dashi will end this year and be replaced by Kusou Saiki (Both authors are good friends)
- Reborn! is in it's final arc. It will end this year or next year. Jump really have no reason to force the series going longer with the ratings plummeting and the loss of the Anime
- Nurarihyon no Mago is basically like Reborn!
- Sket Dance is in their final year of highschool. Will probably end in 2013
- Naruto is in its final arc and will end in 2013
- Gintama will end when Sorachi feels like it. It is possible it could be this year. People have also said Gintama could be the new Kochikame, but Sorachi is nowhere near as organised to pull it off
- Murata will debut that awesome looking oneshot in Jump. The reception will be great and it will be serialized quickly. It will become the new flagship title when Naruto ends (Super awesome wishful thinking >.>)

 

[Divinenega]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

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Actually I think Naruto will be over by summer of next year at the latest. the arc is starting to wrap up since we're getting the major fights now.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

- Murata will debut that awesome looking oneshot in Jump. The reception will be great and it will be serialized quickly. It will become the new flagship title when Naruto ends (Super awesome wishful thinking >.>)

We're not sure about this part, yet. He might serialize one shot in different magazine.

 

[SSJWill4]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

Also, with the rate alot of the series are going, many of them seem to be winding down. With the lack of new successful series coming in, and old series ending, I think a couple of series will end this year. We have had no series end in 2011, and Jaguar was the only series ending in 2010 which didn't really make room for anything considering it was a 5page gag manga at the end of Jump each Issue.

Psyren ended at the end of 2010 which made its run exactly 3 years. No small feat by jump standards.

 

[Zeromcd]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

We're not sure about this part, yet. He might serialize one shot in different magazine.

It was just some wishful thinking. It would also make since for Murata to capitalize on this opportunity when there are currently no real successful new series in Jump and many of the older ones ending.

I would also presume he is very dissapointed with himself about how the final chapters of Eyeshield 21 ranked, after being in the top of the magazine for almost all of its run and suddenly dropping to like bottom 5 for the last 20 chapters, he probably wants to show he can do even better.

Psyren ended at the end of 2010 which made its run exactly 3 years. No small feat by jump standards.

Even though Psyren did make 3 years, it was cancelled and did not naturally end like Jaguar did, therefore not naturally ending.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

I would also presume he is very dissapointed with himself about how the final chapters of Eyeshield 21 ranked, after being in the top of the magazine for almost all of its run and suddenly dropping to like bottom 5 for the last 20 chapters, he probably wants to show he can do even better.

He may be disappointed on final arc's ranking, but I don't think he'll be disappointed with himself becasue he is in charge of illustration, not story.

 

[SSJWill4]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

Even though Psyren did make 3 years, it was cancelled and did not naturally end like Jaguar did, therefore not naturally ending.

True, but your original post did not specify that you were referring to series that received a 'natural' ending. I just assumed you were talking about established series. Shaman King was canceled yet still lasted 6 years.

 

[Newkerzy]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

Looking at it the lists I just remembered that Naruto's not getting any CPs anymore.Wonder why.

And lol at Togashi.

I hope that was a joke...

It was....

Even though Psyren did make 3 years, it was cancelled and did not naturally end like Jaguar did, therefore not naturally ending.

I thought Psyren's ending was more like Enigma's. The author set up the final arc to either end the series or continue it. If it gets axed, he already had a natural ending in mind. If it gets more support and can continue, he already has several plot threads he's been wanting to resolve.

 

[Josl]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

There are a maximum of four volumes a year and 48 chapters for a weekly manga. While mangaka can earn more for a tankobon it is less reliable money. It is based on a percentage, income is dependent on sales, and sales decline over time no matter how popular a manga. Chapters are steady, weekly work and a reliable weekly pay check. If it were me and I had an opportunity to supplement my income while getting featured in the front or center of the magazine, I would not be one to turn it down. Not only is the money better, color pages increase prestige and exposure.
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Source for the Manuscript numbers is Bakuman chapter 35

They get 22800 yen for a 19 page Manuscript and 600 yen more per color page. Let’s take the 100yen is 1dollar rate of exchange because it is easier to count. That makes 228 dollar for a finished manuscript and only 6 bugs more per color page. A rooky Mangaka gets around 912 dollar per month while rooky ASSISTANTS get 1600 dollar for a month with only 4 days of work per week while a Mangaka gets less for much more work.

The first print run for a typical WSJ Manga is 20000 copies. The Mangaka gets 42 yen per printed Copy (not sold but printed). That makes a total of 840 000 yen. Let’s say there are 10 chapters in the Volume. The Mangaka gets than 2280 dollar for the Manuscripts and 8400 for the Volumes. That is already around 4 times as much. A WSJ Mangaka has to sell/print much more Volumes soon to not get cancelled fast.

I will say it again. The 6 bugs more they get for a CP stands in NO equation to the amount of more work for a CP in an already very tight Manga schedule. I’m fairly certain that no mangaka in WSJ wants a CP because of the extra money but I’m sure they do want the CP for the extra attention -> more readers-> better polls and higher Volume sales -> more printed Volumes -> more money.

 

[kewl0210]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

Yeah. Generally a CP will get more attention and more interest in a manga from people who don't normally read it. It's a form of promotion. Color pages are also usually given for some sorta reason like an anniversary or a big announcement, a way of saying "Hey. look at this!".
It pays more because it takes more time and effort to do.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

It is confirmed that Murata going to work with a story writer for his upcoming new work (didn't say who is it).

 

[Pirulito]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

It is confirmed that Murata going to work with a story writer for his upcoming new work (didn't say who is it).

Will it run in Weekly Shonen Jump?

 

[Zeromcd]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

Weekly Shounen Jump 2011 Series' Averages

1.One Piece - 1.3
2.Naruto - 2.2
3.Toriko - 3.4
4.Bakuman - 5.7
5.Gintama - 5.7
6.Sket Dance - 7.2
7.Kurogane - 8.3
8.Bleach - 8.6
9.Beelzebub - 9.2
10.Kagami no Kuni - 9.8
11.Hitman Reborn! - 10.2
12.Medaka Box - 12.3
13.Inumaru Dashi - 12.3
14.Magico - 12.4
15.Kuroko no Basket - 13.0
16.Kochikame - 13.0
17.Hunter x Hunter - 13.9
18.ST&RS - 14.1
19.Nurarihyon no Mago - 14.6

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Weekly Shounen Jump 2010 Series' Averages

1.One Piece - 1.4
2.Naruto - 1.5
3.Bleach - 4.3
4.Toriko - 6.0
5.Hitman Reborn! - 6.9
6.Bakuman - 7.3
7.Nurarihyon no Mago - 7.9
8.Beelzebub - 8.1
9.Gintama - 9.6
10.Kuroko no Basket 10.1
11.Sket Dance - 10.2
12.Kochikame - 10.9
13.Inumaru Dashi - 11.6
14.Medaka Box - 13.4
15.Hunter x Hunter - 14.6

Does not include Lead CP's or Oneshots in these rankings.
Does include Center Colours in these rankings.

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Damn that took over 2hours, time get back to Macross Frontier Sayonara no Tsubasa.

 

[Josl]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

Weekly Shounen Jump 2011 Series' Averages

If you have the Jump Series Averages from 2010 could you please post them as well. This would help to compare which Series did better and which worse.

Edit:

Damn that took over 2hours, time get back to Macross Frontier Sayonara no Tsubasa.

Sorry and thank you for your hard work

This list is quite interesting
One Piece did a tiny little bit better while Naruto did a little worse. I thought it would be the other way around.
Toriko, Bakuman, Gintama and Sket Dance did all much better.
Reborn and Bleach did much worse than 2010.
Beelzebub did only a little bit worse even though I thought it would do much worse because it was quite the long time in the bottom 5 this year.
Medaka Box did only a little bit better while I thought it would do a lot better.
The most interesting is Mago. It did catastrophically. I’m wondering how long Jump will let it be in spite of the sales. I’m sure we are somewhere near a “natural” end.

 

[k-dom]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

It's also interesting to remove the color page factor to see the series which are pump by Jump

2010 average without color page

1.One Piece - 2,40
2.Naruto - 2,88
3.Toriko - 6,09
4.Bleach - 7,34
5.Bakuman - 7,94
6.Gintama - 8,22
7.Beelzebub - 9,73
8.Reborn! - 9,83
9.Sket Dance - 10,16
10.Nurarihyon no Mago - 12,81
11.Inumaru Dashi - 13,04
12.Kuroko no Basket - 13,24
13.Kochikame - 13,57
14.Medaka Box - 14,78
15.HUNTER×HUNTER - 16,50

2010 average with lead and color page

1.One Piece - 2,15
2.Naruto - 2,40
3.Bleach - 4,62
4.Toriko - 6,87
5.Bakuman - 7,83
6.Reborn! - 7,88
7.Beelzebub - 8,85
8.Nurarihyon no Mago - 8,90
9.Gintama - 9,15
10.Sket Dance - 11,08
11.Kuroko no Basket - 11,23
12.Kochikame - 12,19
13.Inumaru Dashi - 13,02
14.Medaka Box - 14,96
15.HUNTER×HUNTER- 15,95

My average is calculated a bit differently than Zeromcd since I keep the rank for lead CP so the rank are ~increased by 1.
In the average without CP, the series keep their rank as in the initial TOC except for the series with CP which have a weight of 0.

One can see that Bleach and Mago really benefit from it :-)

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

@Zeromcd

How many weeks did you average for the 2010 and 2011?

 

[Zeromcd]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

@Zeromcd

How many weeks did you average for the 2010 and 2011?

I averaged the weeks at 47 for 2011 and 48 for 2010, but when a series a Lead CP or a Break I took away one, thus each series had a different average for weeks.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

I averaged the weeks at 47 for 2011 and 48 for 2010, but when a series a Lead CP or a Break I took away one, thus each series had a different average for weeks.

That means you averaged from all of issues?

 

[Zeromcd]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

That means you averaged from all of issues?

Yes, I averaged from every Issue

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Series from the main magazine that will be appearing in Jump Next!

- Medaka Box (Good Loser Kumagawa)
- Sket Dance
- Nurarihyon no Mago
- Enigma (Final Chapter)
- PSI Kusou Saiki
- Magico
- ST&RS
- Kurogane
- Nisekoi
- Packy

The source does not say what kind of chapters they will be, but they will most likely just be Bangaihens.

I wonder if Kusou Saiki can actually be considered a series now? Kind of like Hetappi.