Discussion The 11 Supernovae

[Dice]

Would be funny if Law's bounty raises after they confirm that Kizaru didn't hit him. Just that it's higher than Kidd's. If Luffy's also raises than Kidd would freak out for not taking action in the war

 

[mattiaildivino]

Re: One Piece 663 Discussion / 664 Prediction

Please reread the manga before commenting again, you are missing (or ignored) very important story elements. Bounty does not reflect power levels. Bounty reflects known crimes committed, and that is all. At 8 years old a bounty of 79 million beri was placed on Robin's head. Before becoming Shichibukai Hancock had a bounty of 80 million beri's and Crocodile had an 81 million beri bounty. Does that mean that 8 year old Robin was about as strong as Crocodile and Hancock? Does that mean that Crocodile and Hancock were as weak as an 8 year old girl. No, of course not. It means that Robin's crime, learning the ancient language, was as serious as whatever accumulated crimes Crocodile and Hancock committed before becoming Shichibukai. The supernova's were never meant to be equal; Jewelery Bonney was never meant to be as strong as Law, Kidd, or Luffy. Stop using bounty as a measure of strength. One Piece does not work that way.

I already know that. bounties don't mean strength,that's why I don't understand your point of regarding kidd as stronger than the others.Actually,apoo and kidd seemed to have a good fight. about manga prooves,here is the moment when chopper is astonished learning there's someone stronger than rufy http://www.mangareader.net/103-2605-11/one-piece/chapter-498.html and shakky replies telling them that's kidd's bounty was just due to his slaughters http://www.mangareader.net/103-2605-19/one-piece/chapter-498.html .anyway,I think that's not the right place to discuss about that,because we haven't enough infos yet. I hope the very next chapter will give us some details of those killed by Law.
the only point I'd like to share with you about this: don't you think that the marines would have said "100 pirates over 100M" or "100 pirate captains" if they had been captains or with bounties over 100M anyway? I think that hints they weren't all so strong,but just a proof to advise the WG that Law could kill pirates for them.

 

[Kaiten]

Oda does not have to spell out that the 100 pirates were strong. Nitpicking about the exact amount of their bounties aside, logic dictates that the government would have been uimpressed had Law handed over a hodgepodge of high and low bounty pirates.

It is quite simple: Kid and his crew took a blast of Rayliegh's haki at the auction house and were still standing. That is no joke. He is at least comparable to Law and Luffy. Drake will also be quite powerful, we already know that he challenged a Yonko and is still alive, two years later. Kid has also challenged a Yonko and lived to tell. Both have been mentioned by name as having made a name for themselves in the New World. There should be know doubt both will be very important later on. Apoo, on the other hand, has already been chased off an island in the New World. By wild pigs. Not an auspicious start.

Otherwise we obviously know where Law stands. Hawkins brief post war appearance was impressive. Hard to say how strong he is but we know he can at least hold his own in the New World. Bonney was already defeated, the Capone Pirates appear to have been defeated. Killer will obviously be very strong, as part of Kid's crew. We obviously know where Zoro stands. The only Supernova who's strength is an unknown is Urouge. Not enough has been shown of him in the New World to predict success or failure.

 

[EddyBob15]

I always thought that Bounties were a measure of strength. At least that's how Luffy sees it. As for Bege, we don't even know if he's still around. Remember what happened to his ship?

 

[rosco12]

you can see Bege in the picture at the bottom, so he should still be around. If bounty were a measure of strength, Nico Robin wouldn't have gotten a 79m bounty at 8.
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/664/10

 

[EddyBob15]

you can see Bege in the picture at the bottom, so he should still be around. If bounty were a measure of strength, Nico Robin wouldn't have gotten a 79m bounty at 8.
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/664/10

She was given a false reason for the bounty. After the Enies Lobby arc, her threat became more genuine.

 

[McNuss]

She was given a false reason for the bounty. After the Enies Lobby arc, her threat became more genuine.

Wrong. She was given the bounty because she was the sole survivor of Oharas Poneglyph-reading archaelogists. The public was given a wrong reason (the destroyed battleships that were Sauls doing).

 

[EddyBob15]

What I want to know is, if Law has grown this much since the last time we saw him, just how powerful do you think Kidd is?

 

[Kaiten]

Everyone is in it with the exception of Luffy, Zoro, and Killer. Even Bonney, whom we know was captured, is pictured. All are depicted as they appear pre-time skip, I'm not sure how meaningful it is that Bege and Bonney are there.

 

[Riku]

I think we can asume all of them are in the game still anyways, in a way or another. Atleast surviving. In addition to that panel there was also a poster drawn by Oda of The Supernovae 2 years after, and Bege and Bonney seemed just fine. Sure, it is just a poster and possibly not canon even if it is by Oda, but I doubt he would have bothered to design timeskip Bege if he were never to use that character again. Though, it's not like Bege design drastically changed.

 

[EddyBob15]

I think we can asume all of them are in the game still anyways, in a way or another. Atleast surviving. In addition to that panel there was also a poster drawn by Oda of The Supernovae 2 years after, and Bege and Bonney seemed just fine. Sure, it is just a poster and possibly not canon even if it is by Oda, but I doubt he would have bothered to design timeskip Bege if he were never to use that character again. Though, it's not like Bege design drastically changed.

Yeah, well, if Bege was able to survive that experience with whatever that was and Bonney managed to escape Akainu, they must be as tough as Luffy.

 

[Blue Walk]

Oda does not have to spell out that the 100 pirates were strong. Nitpicking about the exact amount of their bounties aside, logic dictates that the government would have been uimpressed had Law handed over a hodgepodge of high and low bounty pirates.

It is quite simple: Kid and his crew took a blast of Rayliegh's haki at the auction house and were still standing. That is no joke. He is at least comparable to Law and Luffy. Drake will also be quite powerful, we already know that he challenged a Yonko and is still alive, two years later. Kid has also challenged a Yonko and lived to tell. Both have been mentioned by name as having made a name for themselves in the New World. There should be know doubt both will be very important later on. Apoo, on the other hand, has already been chased off an island in the New World. By wild pigs. Not an auspicious start.

Otherwise we obviously know where Law stands. Hawkins brief post war appearance was impressive. Hard to say how strong he is but we know he can at least hold his own in the New World. Bonney was already defeated, the Capone Pirates appear to have been defeated. Killer will obviously be very strong, as part of Kid's crew. We obviously know where Zoro stands. The only Supernova who's strength is an unknown is Urouge. Not enough has been shown of him in the New World to predict success or failure.

Speaking of Urouge, i was trying to find him in that panel where Brownbeard discusses the "worst generation", but apparently he's not in it :/ Guess Blackbeard took his spot lol. But i'm sure Urouge isn't there on purpose, with his troll face and all.

 

[goldb]

Speaking of Urouge, i was trying to find him in that panel where Brownbeard discusses the "worst generation", but apparently he's not in it :/ Guess Blackbeard took his spot lol. But i'm sure Urouge isn't there on purpose, with his troll face and all.

I don't think that's the case at all, Blackbeard and Urouge are on a different levels; one is a yonkou and the other is a NW pirate captain and Supernova. I think he's still a strong pirate captain but maybe the others mentioned by Brownbeard have moved away from him(and others not mentioned) in terms of strength and notoriety.