First Round! 34] Crocodile vs Rob Lucci

[Uriel]

1st ROUND

 

[Razh]

Oh, another tough one. But yeah, if Luffy could beat him back then, Lucci could as well.

They probably both became stronger during 2 years and the only question is - Who progressed more?

But since we can only speculate, I give this one to Lucci.

 

[Mr. Arashi]

Judging our Marineford performance of the greatest hurracane Sandy-man. It should be a tough fight if Rucchi figures his weakness, but still will be close combat so Sir Crocodile got my vote

 

[HereNThere]

Goddammit! Why must two of my other favorites face off against each other? Hmm, I don't know. I'm just going to hang around and look at the arguments presented and add my two cents where ever needed.

 

[Uriel]

Well, I assume that Lucci is smart...but you need to be creative in order to find out about watering Croco. And He is still a Logia, which give him a plus.

I'm biased here >_>

 

[Josef]

Lucci is the top CP9 member, no doubt he knows much about the shichibukai, Luffy fought him to the near death state, plus Crocodile seems to be an easier opponent to Luffy than Lucci, considering how much he struggled with both, at least that is my opinion. Once Lucci gets a hold of water it is over for Croc, Lucci will go Leopard, rokushiki, raw power berserk on him!

 

[HereNThere]

Thing about Crocodile though is water isn't a guaranteed win. He will lose his intangibility, but he still has his physical strength, his hook, and his right hand, that should absorb the moisture.

 

[Zehahaha]

Crocodile ofc, do I need to explain more ? Check my avatar

 

[UnknownMugiwara]

uuff, tough one.. Hmm, Crocodile lost to Luffy because he was arrogant and underestimated Luffy.. He's much stronger than Alabasta-Luffy back then.
But Rob Lucci is a Top CP9 agent..
I guess Croco wins because of his Logia powers and poison hook.

 

[Razh]

But neither his poison hook nor his logia was enough to win against Luffy. And Luffy with gears barely defeated Lucci. Crocodile is one of my favourites too, but I can't help but feel that some of you guys are not seeing this clearly.

It's true that Crocodile would have a chance against almost anyone, but I don't see what is it that makes Luffy so much stronger than Lucci here? What if WG found out about Crocodile's plans and sent CP9 to Alabasta? You think Crocodile would win?

 

[Smerten]

Lucci has not shown haki. It depends on the environment: if there is water in the vicinity and Lucci actually figuring this out, only then can he actually hit Crocoboy. My vote goes to our former Shichibukai.

 

[0Xellos]

We haven't seen Lucci use haki, therefore we can assume he doesn't (as a top CP9 agent, and not a novice at that, if he didn't use haki back then, we can assume he didn't intend to learn it anyway).

So if he doesn't figure out Croc's weakness, the outcome is obvious.

But even if he does, Croc's Marineford performance should give him the win. On the other hand, we haven't seen anything new from Lucci since EL events.

 

[Zehahaha]

Basicallly this depends on Lucci's ability to notice Croco's weakness... Which is not obvious, well he's smarter than Luffy I guess, but it was pure coincidence that Luffy managed to notice it, sheer luck, that isn't something that would happen in every fight

And once Lucci would get touched by Croco's right hand he's doomed...

 

[Razh]

Well, Lucci is supposed to have WG intelligence info on his disposal. Maybe he even knows Croco's weakness. Even if it wasn't for that, he's pretty smart. It didn't take him long to notice how Luffy's Gear 2 works and what it's weakness is. Compared to that, water > sand seems like elementary school.

As I said right away, Croc would have a chance against almost anyone but can't go against what we've seen. Hell I'd even like it if Croc came back to story, stronger than ever.

 

[HereNThere]

But neither his poison hook nor his logia was enough to win against Luffy. And Luffy with gears barely defeated Lucci. Crocodile is one of my favourites too, but I can't help but feel that some of you guys are not seeing this clearly.

It's true that Crocodile would have a chance against almost anyone, but I don't see what is it that makes Luffy so much stronger than Lucci here? What if WG found out about Crocodile's plans and sent CP9 to Alabasta? You think Crocodile would win?

TBH, his Logia and Hook were enough. The logia had Luffy easily beaten the first two times they fought and they technically tied the last fight. Had it not been for luck and Robin, Luffy would have lost every single one of those fight. He would be dead and Crocoboy would have just been arrested.

Luffy with gears barely won against Lucci, but Luffy without gears was outclassed in every way by Crocodile. They weren't even until Luffy used his blood.

As for sending CP9 to Alabasta, it is highly probable he would have won. They would be in his environment, so he would have had an infinite amount resources to fuel his power even more.

We haven't seen Lucci use haki, therefore we can assume he doesn't (as a top CP9 agent, and not a novice at that, if he didn't use haki back then, we can assume he didn't intend to learn it anyway).

So if he doesn't figure out Croc's weakness, the outcome is obvious.

But even if he does, Croc's Marineford performance should give him the win. On the other hand, we haven't seen anything new from Lucci since EL events.

I don't think he needs haki. I think he could spam Soru, Tekkai, and Rokugan. Rokugan should in theory be able to harm Crocodile. Lucci is a master of Rokushiki, so he should have enough mobility to be able to dodge Crocodile's Sables. Even if he doesn't, Tekkai should protect him from a majority of the damage. Tekkai would probably be null against the right hand though and the offensive Rokushiki moves would be null as well as Crocodile's fruit is connected to his reflexes.

 

[Cyrs]

Since Croc and Doflamingo were even in the war, I doubt there's anything Lucci can do. Luffy only survived his fight with Croc because Robin had the antidote.

I think Croc wins this.

 

[Razh]

Croc and Doflamingo weren't even. They just had a short clash. Crocodile held his own yes. But that's it. I don't think Dofla even came close to being serious in the entire battle. He was just screwing around.

I feel like I've been reading a different manga. Based on what we've seen, Crocodile would lose against Lucci. All it takes is for him to dip his hands or legs into water. Or Shigan himself if there is no water around. Geez guys...

 

[HereNThere]

Crocodile won't go down as easily as you are making it seem. If and when, Lucci gets to water, he will still need to get up close and personal to Crocodile, opening him up to an attack with Crocoboys right hand. Also, there is a good chance Crocodile will dry up the surrounding water, if there is some, so that means no finding out Crocodiles weakness, if he doesn't already know it. Of he does go the blood route, Crocodile still can turn intangible to dodge hits. Now that I think about it, Sables as shown to be near gear 3 strength in Impel Down, so that could possibly weaken Lucci.

 

[0Xellos]

I don't think he needs haki. I think he could spam Soru, Tekkai, and Rokugan. Rokugan should in theory be able to harm Crocodile. Lucci is a master of Rokushiki, so he should have enough mobility to be able to dodge Crocodile's Sables. Even if he doesn't, Tekkai should protect him from a majority of the damage. Tekkai would probably be null against the right hand though and the offensive Rokushiki moves would be null as well as Crocodile's fruit is connected to his reflexes.

Without haki and without wateriness, how would he harm Croc? In other words, I'm not saying he needs haki to win, but without haki and/or excess water (used in a way that Croc doesn't absorb it), it wouldn't even be a fight.

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I feel like I've been reading a different manga. Based on what we've seen, Crocodile would lose against Lucci. All it takes is for him to dip his hands or legs into water. Or Shigan himself if there is no water around. Geez guys...

Allow me to laugh.
I'm not saying it's a sure win for Croc, but things are not nearly as simple as you're making them sound. Remember what Croc did to Luffy the 2nd time they fought? Just grabbed him and sucked water out of him. If Lucci's careless, he gets beaten more easily using water than without it.

It does open a way for him, though. If he's fast enough to not let Croc absorb, he can pull it off, especially if combined with Rokushiki attack techs.

 

[mugiwara4343]

I will go with Croc as the winner. What we saw is Lucci is the only one who has physically exhausted Luffy to the verge of death but croc on the other hand is a damn ex schi and a logia user. He once fought Whietebeard in the past(no details though) we have seen him fighting against even for small time with Akainu/Dofla/Mihwak. Luffy lost to croc two times and was left on the verge of death and Croc lost only because he constantly underestimated Luffy. We saw Moria in the later part of the story doesn't mean croc is weaker than Moria and the same logic works here too as croc is show earlier it doesnt mean he is weaker than Lucci. Enel who is introduced earlier as stated by Oda if had a bounty will be around 500 million berri. So my point is if the character is introduced earlier then it doesnt necessarily mean he is weaker. So all in all with Logia abilities croc vs Rokushiki Lucci I think Croc will triumph here