Battle Uvogin vs Razor

[mrsticky005]

Who wins?

 

[XXGenesis]

Razor..The Spider's were in a group and still decided not to toy with him. Maybe because they would have fought him 1 on 1 which I believe only a select few could win. Or because they would have lost too many valuable members in the fight. They obviously respected his Nen lv and he was a Big Big fish to fry.....So Uvogin who vs
Razor I go with Razor who seems to be pretty strong himself Physically being an emission user. He take Uvogin out using his smarts.

 

[Phantron]

Razor is stronger but it won't be as far away as people think. Yes Razor's raw stats are at least half a tier above Hisoka (throwing the ball uses Reinforcement, and Hisoka can't catch the ball thrown by Razor despite both being equally far away from Reinforcement) but Reinforcement users basically start out half a tier above anyone else in terms of physical strength. Yes Razor has great range but Ubogin was throwing rocks at Kurapika so he knows how to make up for that. If they met 1on1 Razor is likely to win but the outcome is far from certain.

If they met on say GI, a key point to note is that while the Spiders do tend to fight 1 on 1 without Kuroro leading them, Razor does not know this. That is, suppose Nobunaga and Ubogin ran into Razor, and Ubogin decides to go on a 1on1. There's no reason for Razor to believe either Ubogin or Nobunaga, so it's going to be like Kuroro vs Zeno + Silva, where Razor would have to constantly pay attention to any other Spider members present because he cannot trust them. In such a scenario a draw is likely.

 

[mousiehamster]

Throwing the ball might actually use Emission as well, since after being thrown the ball is still enveloped with Nen. Detached aura = Emission.

That said, from what i recall the Nen balls he threw that blew up the ship were so so. And that fat guy he slaughtered didn't get completely blown up either.

 

[Phantron]

Throwing the ball might actually use Emission as well, since after being thrown the ball is still enveloped with Nen. Detached aura = Emission.

That said, from what i recall the Nen balls he threw that blew up the ship were so so. And that fat guy he slaughtered didn't get completely blown up either.

Razor said throwing the ball is weaker than his aura blasts. Biscuit said that the dodgeball game is not ideal for his type (Emission) because a Reinforcement user has time to charge up as long as they need (Gon) to overpower him. I'm pretty sure Emission refers to using item entirely made out of Aura, i.e. the devils Razor created or his aura blasts. Kurapika's Judgment Chain uses Emission too, but remember his chains are entirely made out of Aura as well. Here, the ball is obviously a real ball and falls under the realm of Reinforcement.

 

[XXGenesis]

Razor is stronger but it won't be as far away as people think. Yes Razor's raw stats are at least half a tier above Hisoka (throwing the ball uses Reinforcement, and Hisoka can't catch the ball thrown by Razor despite both being equally far away from Reinforcement) but Reinforcement users basically start out half a tier above anyone else in terms of physical strength. Yes Razor has great range but Ubogin was throwing rocks at Kurapika so he knows how to make up for that. If they met 1on1 Razor is likely to win but the outcome is far from certain.

If they met on say GI, a key point to note is that while the Spiders do tend to fight 1 on 1 without Kuroro leading them, Razor does not know this. That is, suppose Nobunaga and Ubogin ran into Razor, and Ubogin decides to go on a 1on1. There's no reason for Razor to believe either Ubogin or Nobunaga, so it's going to be like Kuroro vs Zeno + Silva, where Razor would have to constantly pay attention to any other Spider members present because he cannot trust them. In such a scenario a draw is likely.

As the President mentioned no Nen fight is guaranteed victory just because he has more Aura. Uvogin Range isn't great i'll say Mild he has his roar, can spit nen enforced objects from his mouth and his rock throw. He doesn't compete well Vs Razor in this field.

This is a 1 on 1 battle however so Razor has a big chance of victory if you ask me not an easy one though I can see him taking some pretty good damage...Also aside from Nobunaga Razor would be able to fight normal with the spiders around seeing how Kurapica was able to deduce that the Spider's weren't going to help Uvogin when he went up agains't the 10 Beast or w/e their names were.

Throwing the ball might actually use Emission as well, since after being thrown the ball is still enveloped with Nen. Detached aura = Emission.

That said, from what i recall the Nen balls he threw that blew up the ship were so so. And that fat guy he slaughtered didn't get completely blown up either.

Razor pure Aura nen ball is his Hatsu Emission....When we strikes the volleyball he's just reinforcing it with his nen. Gon also hit the ball and it traveled with his nen...When i think about it can actually be an argument that Emission is playing a part seeing that their aura is detached onto an object traveling away form their bodies...Hmm???

Razor said throwing the ball is weaker than his aura blasts. Biscuit said that the dodgeball game is not ideal for his type (Emission) because a Reinforcement user has time to charge up as long as they need (Gon) to overpower him. I'm pretty sure Emission refers to using item entirely made out of Aura, i.e. the devils Razor created or his aura blasts. Kurapika's Judgment Chain uses Emission too, but remember his chains are entirely made out of Aura as well. Here, the ball is obviously a real ball and falls under the realm of Reinforcement.

Which ability does Kurapica use an Emission again? Not saying your wrong can't re-call which ability that is...But Kurapica is a conjurer so yea his chain is pure nen, and he keeps it out at all times to look as if he's a manipulator...Also Emission is also detached nen from the body the way Razor and the over dude were able to create fodder to play volleyball with.

 

[Phantron]

Which ability does Kurapica use an Emission again? Not saying your wrong can't re-call which ability that is...But Kurapica is a conjurer so yea his chain is pure nen, and he keeps it out at all times to look as if he's a manipulator...Also Emission is also detached nen from the body the way Razor and the over dude were able to create fodder to play volleyball with.

Judgment Chain uses Emission.

Razor would have a considerable advantage in a true 1on1 but for Spiders 1on1 usually means several of their guys are still around watching. They're shown to work in pairs even if only one guy is doing the fighting at once.

There's no reason for an opponent to assume all the Spiders would honor a 1on1 fight. In both Ubogin and Feitan's fight there are other members who offered to help (that offer was turned down, but it implies it is acceptable to help). Since Razor would have no reason to think of Spiders as honorable guys, he'd naturally assume the worst and constantly watch for the other members. This will likely turn the battle into a defensive one and end up as a draw, because he can't afford to go all out on offense when he isn't sure whether other people will join the fight.

 

[mousiehamster]

Razor said throwing the ball is weaker than his aura blasts.

Did he say that?

Biscuit said that the dodgeball game is not ideal for his type (Emission) because a Reinforcement user has time to charge up as long as they need (Gon) to overpower him.

Is that an innate ability of Enhancers or just Gon because he can charge up with janken?

I'm pretty sure Emission refers to using item entirely made out of Aura, i.e. the devils Razor created or his aura blasts. Kurapika's Judgment Chain uses Emission too, but remember his chains are entirely made out of Aura as well. Here, the ball is obviously a real ball and falls under the realm of Reinforcement.

I guess this makes sense. One thing I don't understand though is how the fodder guys are emission? Particularly the guy explaining the rules: he seemed pretty sentient to me. Perhaps maintaining their presence at range is what requires emission and the beings themselves are conjuration.

Razor pure Aura nen ball is his Hatsu Emission....When we strikes the volleyball he's just reinforcing it with his nen. Gon also hit the ball and it traveled with his nen...When i think about it can actually be an argument that Emission is playing a part seeing that their aura is detached onto an object traveling away form their bodies...Hmm???

Good point about Gon. He couldn't have been using much emission himself (his emission sucks).

Which ability does Kurapica use an Emission again? Not saying your wrong can't re-call which ability that is...But Kurapica is a conjurer so yea his chain is pure nen, and he keeps it out at all times to look as if he's a manipulator...Also Emission is also detached nen from the body the way Razor and the over dude were able to create fodder to play volleyball with.

Judgment Chain but probably only when the target is beyond the physical range of his chains.

 

[XXGenesis]

Judgment Chain uses Emission.

Yea your right that is his emission ability. I forgot the Nen blade stays inside his targets.

Razor would have a considerable advantage in a true 1on1 but for Spiders 1on1 usually means several of their guys are still around watching. They're shown to work in pairs even if only one guy is doing the fighting at once.

Yea They move in pairs even when they aren't on a mission

There's no reason for an opponent to assume all the Spiders would honor a 1on1 fight. In both Ubogin and Feitan's fight there are other members who offered to help (that offer was turned down, but it implies it is acceptable to help). Since Razor would have no reason to think of Spiders as honorable guys, he'd naturally assume the worst and constantly watch for the other members. This will likely turn the battle into a defensive one and end up as a draw, because he can't afford to go all out on offense when he isn't sure whether other people will join the fight.

True, there's a lot to take into consideration. Like What his state of mind would be if another Spider is around but not attacking or prepping for attack. Also if they offered to help and it was turned down. Razor is pretty sharp no pun intended, he may realize that his friends would watch him die and would there go all out.....For the threads sake they didn't set any conditions around this fight so if it's solely Uvo vs Razor alone I'll give it to Razor because the Spiders were wary of him and they were in a pretty big group. They could have just tried to kill him but didn't. I Believe that says a lot about. I liked Uvo I hate that Togashi made him Kurapicka measuring stick.

Did he say that?

I think so, if not Biscuit did. It makes sense since he's using a real volleyball reinforcing it and not playing with his Nen which would be much much more dangerous. And stronger.

Is that an innate ability of Enhancers or just Gon because he can charge up with janken?

Charge up thing?? Maybe in the sense of if he was naturally stronger and had more Nen, an Reinforcement user could use Ko or Ryu to match or surpass his strength. As only way somebody would be able to beat that would be to have significantly more Nen and more experienced.

I guess this makes sense. One thing I don't understand though is how the fodder guys are emission? Particularly the guy explaining the rules: he seemed pretty sentient to me. Perhaps maintaining their presence at range is what requires emission and the beings themselves are conjuration.

I watched the GI arc I didn't read it and can't remember which fodder character your talking about. But There was the 1 guy who was a boxer he was able to do what Leorio does with his Emission without the traveling line....And Another guy on Gon's team who had the apes helping him out same as Razor's Emission clones.

Judgment Chain but probably only when the target is beyond the physical range of his chains.

He intially employs it striking them with his chain. But A nen Blade stays there if they break their vow to him it pierces their heart. That's how it's emission I was thinking the same as you and forgot that his Nen stays employed within the target.

 

[Phantron]

For the charging thing, there's no doubt the Reinforcement user has the most powerful Ko by definition. But, had this been a real battle, the Emission user would simply just walk back while throwing Aura blasts while the Reinforcement is preparing to use Ko. This is why Biscuit said the dodgeball game is disadvantgeous for Razor's type. Of course he can charge up as long as he needs too but as an Emission type the advantage for having arbitary time to charge up is never going to be as great as Gon, a Reinforcement user.

If Razor had Ging watching his back (not actually partcipating the battle, just watching his back) he'd clean up in a 1on1 against just about any Spider member but at least at a glance it looks like he's the only combat specialist out of the GI crew currently on the island, so he'd be at a disadvantage just because he's alone and he can't just trust the Spiders to not gang up on him even if they said they want a 1on1.

It seems like Materialize, Emission, and Manipulation are all pretty good at controling aura objects. I assume Razor's abilty is just that he emits Aura in the rough shape of a human, and then controls them via Manipulation. Thus, no Materialization talent was ever needed and since Emission is one away from Manipulation he can control his Aura clones quite well. Materialization seems to be more about creating tools, not sentinent objects as that'd fall under Manipulation.

 

[XXGenesis]

(Phantron) If Razor had Ging watching his back (not actually partcipating the battle, just watching his back) he'd clean up in a 1on1 against just about any Spider member but at least at a glance it looks like he's the only combat specialist out of the GI crew currently on the island, so he'd be at a disadvantage just because he's alone and he can't just trust the Spiders to not gang up on him even if they said they want a 1on1.

It seems like Materialize, Emission, and Manipulation are all pretty good at controling aura objects. I assume Razor's abilty is just that he emits Aura in the rough shape of a human, and then controls them via Manipulation. Thus, no Materialization talent was ever needed and since Emission is one away from Manipulation he can control his Aura clones quite well. Materialization seems to be more about creating tools, not sentinent objects as that'd fall under Manipulation.

I can't agree with you entirely cause Hxh characters are rather smart Razor being 1 of them. He doesn't trust the Spider's but it's easy to tell if they would jump in or not, which he can just go all out and give it to Uvo..Pause. This also says Uvo vs Razor and doesn't mention anyone else being around simplify it instead of complicating it.

Hatsu's abilities often incorporate more than 1 category of nen. Emitter's often manipulate their Nen and Manipulation would be needed in order to shoot your nen out a certain way or control it the way you would want to. So Yea Emitter's need to learn to manipulate their nen through that means.... Materialization unlike Emitter's their items can be see by Ppl who don't know Nen. Depending on what this item is ex.A Chain, A Gun...You'll need some manipulation on controlling what you conjured.... Manipulators can simply control items, Nen, Ppl, inanimate objects...Just about anything when the right restrictions are set.

 

[Uriel]

Well, I know aura gauge doesn't determine a fight...
But we're talking about the guy who is in charge of the emission system of A WHOLE ISLAND.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

... thats a fight i wanna see...

Powerhouse vs. Powerhouse. Emissionmaster vs. Reinforcementmaster. Uvogin didnt fight dumb at all against a worthy opponent, ala Kurapika, but the yin-beasts let him look weak on first sight... but then he spit(!!!!) a bonepart reinforced with aura through a skull... and screamed the other guy to dead.

I go with Uvo. Razor is damn impressive but in a fight where power decides the winner, uvo has only some guys the will kill him

 

[mousiehamster]

Uvo fought stupid against Kurapica by using only 20% - 50% of his nen in his attacks. Wasn't even because he wanted more aura for his defense either.

fortunately it appears that Razor is fairly simple in terms of offense so it'd really just be a case of him lobbing nen balls while Uvo dodges/tanks them.

 

[KingOfNight]

Razor is highly overrated. I'd give this to Uvogin easily. Razor is on the same level as the Phantom Troupe (if not below). Unless his Emission attack is 3 times stronger than a Bazooka, then I don't see him bothering Uvo.

 

[kenosecon]

ehm... razor is sronger than bisky she admitted that when he received gon's ball with ease.

uvogin was killed by an inexpert nen user... actually a razor's clone would be enough to kill uvogin. Razor wouldn't have to even fight him.

even kite is much stronger than uvogin and razor is probably ahead of kaito for a long shot.

on the other hand hisoka is stronger than both. hisoka actually stopped gon's ball and returned it to razor. Razor could not stop the ball.
hisoka's fingers were gone because he enjoy's pain just like the fight with kastro.

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hisoka couldn't take the ball back from the big clone, and hisoka was third in physical strength in the ryodan. which put the clone at the very least at the level between the first and second in the ryodan... which means as strong as uvogin...

 

[mousiehamster]

After having given this a little bit of thought again, i think i might have underestimated Razor significantly. The thing with his ability is that it has practical combat application as well. Basically he can summon 13 puppets to encircle his target, all of which can pass his nen balls around, and then spam nen balls at his opponent. If the ball misses, then one of the nen devils catches it and hurls it back towards the target. Over and over. Then comes another nen ball from Razor. Over and over again. Uvo could be dodging (more likely taking) dozens of nen balls. Sure, these nen balls won't be at max output since they've been passed around and furthermore, the devils cut into Razor's current AOP, but they were still strong enough to bust Hisoka's hands. Uvo can tank a couple but taking dozens of these sort of nen balls must take something away from him. He would have to take out the devils first or risk getting locked in a never ending storm of nen balls.

 

[KingOfNight]

He would have to take out the devils first or risk getting locked in a never ending storm of nen balls.

Razor's Nen is not infinite. He can't just spam these attacks.

 

[mousiehamster]

I think he can spam alot of them. Considering the fact that his spike is damn near as strong as Gon's charged up Jajanken (which had probably something like 4k AOP in that fight) and he can just throw them out without breaking a sweat, one would assume he can put out at least fifty of them. This is because most nen users don't and aren't capable of charging up and blowing damn near a third of their MOP in one shot. That would put him at 2.5k x 50 = 125,000 MOP not taking into account the devils summoned, which is a reasonable amount for someone who manages the entire emission system of G.I. . By comparison someone like Morel has - correct me if i'm wrong - 80k MOP. It could even be more. To date we have not seen anybody other than Morel and Gon run out of, or attempt to conserve, MOP and Morel only ran out because he was at it for days - not in a single fight.

 

[Fox666]

By comparison someone like Morel has - correct me if i'm wrong - 80k MOP. It could even be more.

(70,000 according to Knuckle)