Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2012-2013] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 4

[Teeba]

I'm very happy to see both AC and Beelzebub get CPs again so soon.

However, I have to wonder about the timing of Beelzebub's CP. As this is only three weeks after the last one, it kinda feels like it's getting promoted like crazy, like Reborn, Kuroko, Medaka, Nisekoi, Kurogane and Haikyu were months ago.

Is the climax of the latest arc really going to be that great to warrant another CP? Or is it because it just so happens to do with Christmas that the editors feel it needs one?

I don't know if color pages work that way. The way I see it, the author puts a request for a color page and the editor in chief decides whether or not its a good time for one. If popularity for the series is outstanding, then maybe the editor and mangaka both come to an agreement that there should be a color page. I don't think it always has to do with the popularity of the current story arc, but rather the popularity of the series in general.

I will say though, that Beelzebub has been getting more popular as of late. I can't remember when, but definitely sometime during the Okinawa Arc it got more popular. It may have a sad, sad showing in C83, and it may not sell as well as some of its contemporaries, but I think the Beelzebub fanbase has stayed strong and united, somehow. I say this completely unironically considering the current arc has been by far the most disappointing.

 

[crimsonlink310]

I think "Maison de Penguin" is actually the correct title, and that it's the author who made the mistake. The original title is pronounced "Mezon do pengin", and as far as I've seen it, the "do" has always translated to a "de" and never a "du". Do expect these kinds of errors a lot all over the English and Japanese-speaking world... unless you come here.

Anyways, I didn't realize Bleach was so high either until now. Aren't people sick of it dragging on so long already?

Insert one of the other big mangas and you have your answer. :P

Anyways very happy with top 5 for Bleach. Also here starts the 3 week Lead CP dominance of OP. Wonder if other mangas will get a boost now that most people won't bother voting for OP lol.

 

[kewl0210]

One Piece's biggest explosion was after Strong World came out. The last movie it had was the CG mini-movie that was a double feature with Toriko. So it wasn't a normal fully-fledged movie like Strong World was. They're probably banking on gaining a lot of popularity with OP here, so they're giving it a billion zillion covers.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

I know sin class is fun to read but does it warrant that high post in toc? I really dont think so. It feels like the author doesnt even try hard to get that place. Every week is like new classmate/person over hyped as best killer then next week converted and the usual moral of the story. The other authors tried hard with their gags drawing and research. Even tho their story might be cliche but at least it has complexity. Its what i feel anyway.

Yes, the author creating about 19 pages a week requires such little effort that matsui can afford to just not try at all. God I hate trains of thought like this, where someone doing a high-input creative task can be accused of not trying. Yeah, it's got a bit of a formula, but you can do that with just about any series.

I will say that the comment about complexity can be valid though, as it does play its cards straight a lot of the time, knowing that the setting and the execution are so far off the beaten path that it surprises. And the gags... well actually no they're pretty inspired.

 

[FanOfAniManga]

Insert one of the other big mangas and you have your answer. :P

Anyways very happy with top 5 for Bleach. Also here starts the 3 week Lead CP dominance of OP. Wonder if other mangas will get a boost now that most people won't bother voting for OP lol.

I always thought it applied especially to Bleach than the other big titles.

I know sin class is fun to read but does it warrant that high post in toc? I really dont think so. It feels like the author doesnt even try hard to get that place. Every week is like new classmate/person over hyped as best killer then next week converted and the usual moral of the story. The other authors tried hard with their gags drawing and research. Even tho their story might be cliche but at least it has complexity. Its what i feel anyway.

I doubt AC will stay this way for long, which is what makes it so exciting. I think these first few character introductions are only here as an exposition.

At most, I'd say it could end up like Neuro. At first, all that happened was Neuro and Yako solving little mysteries, then Neuro eating the mysteries. But later, it started delving into deeper mysteries that turn into arcs, such as with HAL and Sai. With AC, if Matsui is just going to keep introducing new best killers, I don't think he'll just leave them in one to three-chapter stands. And with such a large cast to begin with, as opposed to Neuro, I think he might also try focusing on developing the existing characters as opposed to introducing new ones so often instead.

Also, there have been so many hints suggesting that the story is about to take a drastic turn. We have Korosensei's past to work out, for instance. Either way, I don't think the author isn't trying hard.

P.S. Did anyone else notice how Red Eye's first appearance is actually in chapter 15 and not chapter 18? I didn't know until I checked back to it a few days ago. If Matsui can make a subtle hint at what's to come like that, then who knows what he'll try to do next?

 

[Jaiden82]

Nice TOC this week. Glad Bleach kept its top 5 ranking again this week and also that Kurogane is not dead last.

 

[k-dom]

One Piece's biggest explosion was after Strong World came out. The last movie it had was the CG mini-movie that was a double feature with Toriko. So it wasn't a normal fully-fledged movie like Strong World was. They're probably banking on gaining a lot of popularity with OP here, so they're giving it a billion zillion covers.

Don't you think that One Piece will have a hard time to improve its figure again. A lot of people seem to agree that it will be difficult to find more fans to sell the old volume to and the old volumes sells were what explain One Piece big figures. I mean can One Piece gain more popularity than it already has ?

 

[Asgaroth]

I say this completely unironically considering the current arc has been by far the most disappointing.

I think the mangaka does better with his fun arcs instead of the serious one. The one about furiuchi and his "new gained powers" were great. The chapters of the recent arc instead feel rushed.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

Okay, I give, is Baseballbat boy's whole deal that he turns up here and on the weekly jump livejournal just to be a dick to people?

Whatever. Anyway, anyone else beginning to get the feeling that jump's quality is getting too good overall? Like that's an odd statement, but give or take a couple of series, there's nothing really condemnable on the TOC anymore. It's gonna make the next cancellation round painful, that's for sure.

 

[Teeba]

I think the mangaka does better with his fun arcs instead of the serious one. The one about furiuchi and his "new gained powers" were great. The chapters of the recent arc instead feel rushed.

Woah you read my strikeout. I feel the same way, and I loved the Furuichi arc a lot too! I think the difficulty is that the Furuichi arc hit so many high points for me, it was inevitable the arc following it was going to disappoint. Oh well, here's hoping the arc ends soon.

Anyway, anyone else beginning to get the feeling that jump's quality is getting too good overall? Like that's an odd statement, but give or take a couple of series, there's nothing really condemnable on the TOC anymore. It's gonna make the next cancellation round painful, that's for sure.

You're right! :O I still think Jump could use another romance manga in there, somewhere.

 

[nyamonyamo]

gah i keep forgetting toc was for few chapters back. At least im happy kurogane has an increase in rankings. The mangaka is a tough one holding out from getting cancelled.

 

[Tsuji]

November 19th - November 25th Jump Comic Sales

11　--　*,*64,481　2,560,402　*5　-　ONE PIECE　68
20　--　*,*38,006　*,361,695　*5　-　Assassination Classroom　1

(I'm just doing posting these for the sake of Assassination Classroom at this point. It far surpassed anything that came after Death Note in its first volume sales.)

 

[k-dom]

Last chapter of beelzebub was pretty hilarious. It is a funny parody of tournament arcs so far. Maybe not the best in beelzebub but I there has been worse too. The main problem of the serie is that the main plot is quite random.

 

[Pirulito]

November 19th - November 25th Jump Comic Sales

11　--　*,*64,481　2,560,402　*5　-　ONE PIECE　68
20　--　*,*38,006　*,361,695　*5　-　Assassination Classroom　1

(I'm just doing posting these for the sake of Assassination Classroom at this point. It far surpassed anything that came after Death Note in its first volume sales.)

Not yet, according to that post: http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showt...and-TOC-Talk?p=2711464&viewfull=1#post2711464

 

[Tsuji]

Not yet, according to that post: http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showt...and-TOC-Talk?p=2711464&viewfull=1#post2711464

Ah, forgot about that... ;;; Well, there is still time...

 

[cearon]

Don't you think that One Piece will have a hard time to improve its figure again. A lot of people seem to agree that it will be difficult to find more fans to sell the old volume to and the old volumes sells were what explain One Piece big figures. I mean can One Piece gain more popularity than it already has ?

you r right about it....in japanese terms. unless japan has a population surge in the next 2 years it is unlikely OP will gain more than it has. but i tihink for some reason it doesnt sell abroad as well as it should. for example in new york times rankings the most crappiest arc volume of bleach stood for weeks but OP volumes just pops up in mid ground and then the next week it vanishes. naruto also does great in u.s. and europe. but OP is an anomaly in that it sells absurdly well in japan but not so much in other countries. there was even an article about this i read some time ago. (there is also ppl who read it online and doesnt bother to buy the actual volume.... )

 

[k-dom]

It's the first serie in france now too. French volumes sells ranks have become uninteresting it's only one piece, naruto and fairy tail...

 

[cearon]

thou made me wonder i would have thought kami no shizuku would sell better in france (maybe silver spoon will get in ). in any case good news but i would imagine with france having a very good comics industry they wouldnt be as great a seller . i would imagine XIII gets more sales.

 

[k-dom]

Kami no shizuku is a big hit but it's still a manga for adult so it can't really compare with the big shonen. And XIII is one of the biggest comic blockbusters. Still manga such as one piece or naruto sells much higher than regulars comics mainly because they are much cheaper so teenagers can buy it without difficulties.

 

[Asgaroth]

I mean can One Piece gain more popularity than it already has ?

Actually it isn't that difficult. People who start reading the series in the 90's are old now but buy the volumes without dropping it. That means that there is a 20 year gap to the current time in which 20 years of people reached a age to begin reading one piece. They may were 6 years old but now are old enough to reading it and buying the old stuff. So there will be new readers with each ongoing year without that many dropping it. The question is how they will get they copies. Buying them of just use the internet, because it's to old to be worth it in their mind? Don't know put potentially there are more readers to gain every year. Of course there won't be a "BOOM" Effect but it could rise steadily.