First Yonkou to go down?

[-Ken-]

Who do you think will be the 1st yonkou to be defeated? BB and Shanks are probaly out. Luffy kinda start conflicted with Big mom, but is now also working toward Kaidoh defeated.

EDIT: Because it seemed to not the clear, I mean the new Yonkou, in the order word, Yonkou after time skip. Whitebeard is the 1st Yonkou to go down, yes.

 

[MrCristian]

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Again with this one? My guess it's Big Mom, defeated by Kid's alliance.

 

[Razh]

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I'd go with Big Mom and defeated by someone else. I think nobody wants to see Luffy fighting a big fat granny. Not that it couldn't be fun, though, coupled with her freakish crew and all.

Now that I thought of it more, I'd like to see Luffy send her flying, lmao.

 

[alelucas]

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It's missing the alternative None.

 

[-Ken-]

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It's missing the alternative None.

Does it? Do you really think absolutely no Yonkou will get defeated between now and the end of the series? I can say at least there'll be Luffy vs Blackbeard.

 

[Ankit]

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By Luffy, Kaido. big Mom by Kidd. Hopefully Oda shows us how Kidd does it

 

[Kaiten]

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Whitebeard

Teach will be the last. Shanks will never be defeated, he and Luffy will team up to fight the Blackbeard Pirates. It seems obvious that Kaido will be the next to fall, defeated by the Strawhat and Heart Pirates. Mom could be defeated before him, but that would require an unforeseen plot twist to occur first. Possible, but not predictable.

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It's missing the alternative None.

That's ridiculous. Do you really believe Luffy and Law would form an alliance to defeat a Yonkou, launching an entire saga that will take years to complete, only for nothing to happen. This entire saga is rendered a pointless waste of everyone's time if Kaido is not defeated. Teach is already established as a major antagonist. At some point he also will have to be defeated.

 

[-Ken-]

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Whitebeard

Ouch,XD

Yeah, you're right. I guess it's supposed to be the first new Yonkou to be defeated.

I honestly wouldn't be too much surprised if Big Mom is beaten before Kaidoh. Oda is known for... well, unpredictable.

 

[RichardMNixon]

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Kaido. I think it'd be kind of lame for Luffy to get in this feud with Big Mom and then later read in a newspaper "Oh, she went down anyway, guess I don't have to worry."

 

[Tea Leaves]

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Big Mom or Kaido. As others already stated, Shanks will probably always remain a Yonko (or at least someone in a position of power/influence) unless taken out by Blackbeard himself, or some happenings with the World Government. Blackbeard is too “final boss” material to go down any time in the foreseeable future.

Kaido is a given, seeing as Luffy made an alliance with Law, who has an agenda. And I somehow don’t see Luffy not lending a hand against Big Mom (after he picked a fight with her and everything), even if Kid’s alliance initiates her downfall.

 

[matzik1212]

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BIg Mom

It's just that too many are after her ass and worse for her all of them are from the worst generation duh

 

[alelucas]

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Does it? Do you really think absolutely no Yonkou will get defeated between now and the end of the series? I can say at least there'll be Luffy vs Blackbeard.

If the question is what emperor will be defeated by the rookies I think a possible answer is None. That's it.

I believe Blackbeard shouldn't be a poll alternative. It doesn't make sense. The first Emperor defeated was Whitebeard, the second one must be Kaido, Big Mom or Shanks. Why?

Because the Four Emperors are these four persons. Blackbeard has now the territories and the power of one of the emperors. But he isn't an Emperor because he isn't stuck in the New World. Emperor was/is a powerful pirate who became stuck in the NW after the beginning of the Pirate Era. (It's closed group like the Eleven Supernovas, not an open group like the Shichibukai, Seven Corsairs.)

But even if the question is whether an emperor will be defeated by someone (other emperor or a rookie) I think None is also a possible answer. This poll isn't a neutral one.

Teach will be the last.

So Teach will keep quiet, enjoying his status of Emperor, and will not defeat other Emperors. Gimme a break!

That's ridiculous. Do you really believe Luffy and Law would form an alliance to defeat a Yonkou, launching an entire saga that will take years to complete, only for nothing to happen. This entire saga is rendered a pointless waste of everyone's time if Kaido is not defeated.

I don't think so! Ridiculous is we forget that Teach
- want to be PK too,
- is the only guy who defeats an Empeor, and now
- is the world's strongest man.
So it's more likely Teach defeats other emperors, not some rookie or alliance.

Last but not least, this saga is about DonQuixote, not Kaido, nor Big Mom.

 

[-Ken-]

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Well, I don't have the power to add poll option. If some mods want to add "None of the Yonkou will be beaten at all between now and the end of the series", then sure, I don't mind.

I guess that it could be possible, I do think that it is extremely unlikely.

 

[0Xellos]

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If the question is what emperor will be defeated by the rookies I think a possible answer is None. That's it.

I believe Blackbeard shouldn't be a poll alternative. It doesn't make sense. The first Emperor defeated was Whitebeard, the second one must be Kaido, Big Mom or Shanks. Why?

Because the Four Emperors are these four persons. Blackbeard has now the territories and the power of one of the emperors. But he isn't an Emperor because he isn't stuck in the New World. Emperor was/is a powerful pirate who became stuck in the NW after the beginning of the Pirate Era. (It's closed group like the Eleven Supernovas, not an open group like the Shichibukai, Seven Corsairs.)

But even if the question is whether an emperor will be defeated by someone (other emperor or a rookie) I think None is also a possible answer. This poll isn't a neutral one.

So Teach will keep quiet, enjoying his status of Emperor, and will not defeat other Emperors. Gimme a break!

I don't think so! Ridiculous is we forget that Teach
- want to be PK too,
- is the only guy who defeats an Empeor, and now
- is the world's strongest man.
So it's more likely Teach defeats other emperors, not some rookie or alliance.

Last but not least, this saga is about DonQuixote, not Kaido, nor Big Mom.

Hold on, so you're saying that the whole plot progression since PH is just a troll by Oda? We have 2 pirate alliances going after 2 different Yonkou, plus Luffy already on Mom's bad side and probably going to get on Kaido's as well, after he finds out how Luffy was the reason for Dofla's downfall (which he's most likely going to be). What do you expect them to do? Just wait around until there are no more Yonkou? Get killed trying to fight one? Decide to disband the alliances just like that? And what'd the manga be about, then?

On the other hand, you probably view BB as some kinda god of OPverse, who's able to take out all the other Yonkou (btw he didn't really do anything to beat WB, just the deathblow... and still got hurt by WB). Why would he exactly be the world's strongest man? The manga only states that he rose in power from NW strong level (and cheapshot) to Yonkou level. OK, he's strong. But not that strong. And I don't see how the question of him defeating other emperors means that he won't be the last one to be defeated...

Dofla and Kaido are connected. Even if Dofla is the present big boss, don't take Kaido out of the big picture. If Dofla's beaten, Kaido isn't going to sit still, because he lost an important trade partner. Similarly, taking out Kaido requires taking out Dofla first, because that stops the steady increase in Kaido's military power. So this saga is about both Kaido and Dofla.

 

[Azuma]

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Is there an actual confirmation that the Kid alliance is going after Big Mom? I could really see a plot twist where the Kid Alliance ends up going after Kaido too and join up with the Law/Luffy Alliance. In either case, I'm really looking forward to seeing what Kaido is capable of. Dofla is one of the strongest characters we've seen so far, strong enough to take down Smoker like he was nothing (although Smoker was a bit injured, but I don't think it would've been much different) and even he was scared of going against Kaido.

Shanks will definitely not be defeated first. It would've made for an interesting plot twist if Luffy learns about someone taking down Shanks, but I do not see that as plausible. I think Shanks will remain at the top until Luffy fulfills his promise to Shanks.

Blackbeard's crew are more or less Bizzaro SH Crew and I believe that the fight between the Blackbeard Crew and the SH Crew won't take place until towards the end. Seeing as how each SH has a 'natural' opponent in the Blackbeard Crew, I expect this fight to be without any alliances, only crew vs. crew.

 

[alelucas]

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Hold on, so you're saying that the whole plot progression since PH is just a troll by Oda?

No!

We have 2 pirate alliances going after 2 different Yonkou, plus Luffy already on Mom's bad side and probably going to get on Kaido's as well, after he finds out how Luffy was the reason for Dofla's downfall (which he's most likely going to be).

Not probably, just possible. Only Oda knows.

What do you expect them to do? Just wait around until there are no more Yonkou? Get killed trying to fight one? Decide to disband the alliances just like that? And what'd the manga be about, then?

I don't expect nothing from Luffy. He's unpredictable!

On the other hand, you probably view BB as some kinda god of OPverse, who's able to take out all the other Yonkou (btw he didn't really do anything to beat WB, just the deathblow... and still got hurt by WB).

Yeah!

Why would he exactly be the world's strongest man? The manga only states that he rose in power from NW strong level (and cheapshot) to Yonkou level. OK, he's strong. But not that strong.

Because devilfruitless Teach was a macht to Shanks (remember Shanks' three scars) and now he has the power of two devil fruits, one is the powerfullest Paramecia and the other is the powerfullest Logia. Ah, he's extremely clever (remember he was able to plan the greatest war of Pirate Era).

And I don't see how the question of him defeating other emperors means that he won't be the last one to be defeated...

Well, my opinion I already said, but I can repeat it: the Four Emperors is and ever will be Edward, Shanks, Kaido and Big Mam.

Dofla and Kaido are connected. Even if Dofla is the present big boss, don't take Kaido out of the big picture.

As I said this saga is about DonQuixote. If I think like you I would believe that Fishman Island Saga was about Big Mam. Non sequitur!

If Dofla's beaten, Kaido isn't going to sit still, because he lost an important trade partner. Similarly, taking out Kaido requires taking out Dofla first, because that stops the steady increase in Kaido's military power. So this saga is about both Kaido and Dofla.

What can Kaido do after the destruction of all Artifical Devil Fruit scheme? Nothing! DonQuixote don't fear Kaido but the end of his present plan. A plan we don't know yet.

Dude, dont shame us.

Us? What you mean? Brazilian? Gimme a break!

Almost everything your wrote was bullshit.

If so, why did you bother to answer me? Never mind, thanks!

BB isn't a yonkou? really? REALLY?

Why not?

the yonkou aren't a closed group, where did u get this idea?

From manga?! As I said my reading of manga make me to believe that the Four Emperors is/was a group of the more powerful New World pirates which was stuck in a stalemate, a deadlock situation. Blackbeard's not stuck! That's it!

http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/650/8 I think Jinbe was very clear about BB being a yonkou here.

You trust to much in translation.
These sentences uttered by Jinbe was written in Kanji, a very unfriendly script to translate. Look at the raw:

Spoiler

IMO (I'm not Japanese speaker) these sentences tell us just that:
- Blackbeard has a territory equal to Red-Haired, Kaido and Big Man,
- he governs it like a Yonko, and
- he conquested it using only one ship and crew.
So, IMO again, Oda didn't tell us Blackbeard is a Yonko!
Call the Japanese experts! ;-)

And u really think that from here, to the end of the saga, its possible that not even one of the yonkou will be defeated by a rookie or other emperor?

Yeah! Why not!

Thats just impossible. I bet my house on it.

I respect your opinion. Oda makes everything possible and amazing. I don't bet on Oda's plot.

When kaiten said that Teach will be the last, he meant that he will be the last yonkou to go down.

It was what I see too.

where did he said that he will keep quiet? or not try to defeat other emperors? being the last isn't the same thing of being quiet.

Are you conflating two different things I said?

I only created this account because i was so pissed about your comment that i was forced to answer it.

So it's a great thread, isn't it?
Nice argument, guys! Thanks a lot.

 

[Kaiten]

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Well, my opinion I already said, but I can repeat it: the Four Emperors is and ever will be Edward, Shanks, Kaido and Big Mam.

Oda disagrees with you. Teach has been confirmed as a Yonkou, twice. First in chapter 650 and again, as recently as chapter 704. Opinions are not welcome in this matter, the author has spoken.

As I said this saga is about DonQuixote. If I think like you I would believe that Fishman Island Saga was about Big Mam. Non sequitur!

This saga is not about Doflamingo. Law formed an alliance with Luffy to defeat Kaido. Defeating Doflamingo is only the second step in Law's plan, and only necessary in order to eliminate Kaido's supply of Smile. That is why he destroyed the SAD facility and kidnapped Caesar. That is why they are planning on seeking the Smile Factory. The goal is Kaido, this saga will continue after the Smile Factory is destroyed and Doflamingo is defeated. This also has been made explicit by the author, and is not a subject open to debate.

From manga?! As I said my reading of manga make me to believe that the Four Emperors is/was a group of the more powerful New World pirates which was stuck in a stalemate, a deadlock situation. Blackbeard's not stuck! That's it!

This is not a subject open for debate. The author has stated that Teach is a yonkou, therefore he is a Yonkou.

Is there an actual confirmation that the Kid alliance is going after Big Mom? I could really see a plot twist where the Kid Alliance ends up going after Kaido too and join up with the Law/Luffy Alliance. In either case, I'm really looking forward to seeing what Kaido is capable of. Dofla is one of the strongest characters we've seen so far, strong enough to take down Smoker like he was nothing (although Smoker was a bit injured, but I don't think it would've been much different) and even he was scared of going against Kaido.

No, there has not been any confirmation. It is confirmed that they plan on defeating a Yonkou, but we don't yet know which one. Mom is a good bet, considering she and Kid have history, but that remains a matter of speculation.

 

[Azuma]

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Oh right, I forgot about Kid destroying two ships. Given that Killer seemed desperate for Apoo and Hawkins to stay and negotiate suggests that it could very well be Big Mom. She is probably after them and they want to strengthen their forces to stand a chance against her. But I don't see Oda rushing forward and having two Yonkou lose in such quick succession. One of them will probably fail.

 

[M3J]

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Blackbeard because Luffy has a history with him.

 

[danzouismadara]

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kaido because i think zoans are weak ITs a quantity vs quality thing. Plus big mam in my opinion will be connected to the destruction of fishman island which will happen later (if it does happen). SOme strange reason i got the biggest feeling that the zoans from CP9 will be working for kaido lol