Discussion Final Villian In HxH

[mousiehamster]

No way Killua would fight Illumi. They like each other and there really is no good reason for them to fight.

Gon and Hisoka? Personally I don't see it happening ever. We might see Hisoka v Kuroro but i think Togashi loves 'em too much. It'll probably be a double KO of some sort.

Really, out of all the prominent characters in HxH, I can only see Zeno, Leorio, the Zodiac, and members of the Spiders dying.

 

[howdydodah]

I don't think there's going to be one because whoever it turns out to be, it'd turn out to be much weaker than Meryem and not really much of a challenge overall.

I disagree with that logic. When you stated not much of a challenge, Everyone even older version Gon to Ging has no way of beating meryem, period(in terms of pure POWER, WTH make it everything!). Everyone in HXH is going to be much weaker. I'm not really sure where HxH is going coz I totally cant dig Chimera Arcs dragonball pow levels, just takes the fun away.(tactics, intelligent plot lines, and so on) .Even if they do come up with a good story it just won't be as effective if all the characters would be supersized.

 

[lasso]

I don't think there's going to be one.

The general theme of HxH is that there's nothing like "Villian character", Each time the character that thought to be the arc's Villian appears, it ends being favourited by us readers, The Zoldycks, The spiders, Hisoka, The king. i don't think togashi will resort to the ultimate Villian and the MC fights it, the End will be out of the book, something anti-climatic as usual.

Just hope he starts drawing again. ^^"

 

[KingOfNight]

I don't think there's going to be one.

The general theme of HxH is that there's nothing like "Villian character", Each time the character that thought to be the arc's Villian appears, it ends being favourited by us readers, The Zoldycks, The spiders, Hisoka, The king. i don't think togashi will resort to the ultimate Villian and the MC fights it, the End will be out of the book, something anti-climatic as usual.

Of course, no Genthru. Just 'cause he wears pointy glasses

 

[Phantron]

I don't think there's going to be one.

The general theme of HxH is that there's nothing like "Villian character", Each time the character that thought to be the arc's Villian appears, it ends being favourited by us readers, The Zoldycks, The spiders, Hisoka, The king. i don't think togashi will resort to the ultimate Villian and the MC fights it, the End will be out of the book, something anti-climatic as usual.

Just hope he starts drawing again. ^^"

That's actually a pretty significant flaw of HXH. I remember seeing an interview with the guy who directed Spiderman and he said it's one thing you don't want to make your hero some kind of flawless paragon of walking good and your villian someone who just eats babies for fun, but on the other hand if people start thinking your villians are the good guys you're doing a very poor job. The 'nobody is a bad guy' style is a very weak attempt at pretending your characters have depth. If there's a flaw with Meryem's characterization, it's the fact that Togashi never really was able to get across the point that Meryem could never coexist with humanity no matter what. At best he sees a few special chosen like Netero or Komugi being worthy. His best offer to humanity is basically something like "I should've exterminated you all but I guess it wouldn't hurt to let you live in some kind of national park like environments". The whole bit questioning about how using Rose on Meryem makes humanity just as bad is ridiculous dumb. Negotiation with Meryem was never possible.

In general I think Togashi has a tendency to idolize the dark side of humanity with the argument that the good guys aren't really any diffferent. I don't actually care if the bad guys win, but the problem is that the good guys still win in HXH most of the time so it just becomes hypocrisy. If you're going to basically twist your worldview to make Spiders seem way more powerful than they really are then I expect to see the Spiders burn down the Hunter's HQ, instead of retreating at the sign of any powerful Hunters arriving.

 

[mrsticky005]

I don't think there's going to be one because whoever it turns out to be, it'd turn out to be much weaker than Meryem and not really much of a challenge overall.

I see that you must've missed the part where Meryem says there are different KINDs of strength.
Just cause someone doesn't have the physical strength of Meryem or aura power doesn't mean they aren't as challenging.

Take Pariston Hill, we've yet to see ANY nen from him (unless I forgot). Not to say he's weak but nen or no nen
that guy is dangerous. Why? because he's clever as hell and unpredictable.
Plus with the advent of the Rose Bomb which you know KILLED MERYEM.
Whoever has the key to those is in fact the most dangerous character.

For example

Gyro + Rose Bombs= Very Bad Situation.


And this is not even knowing what shenanigans are in the Outside.

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That's actually a pretty significant flaw of HXH. I remember seeing an interview with the guy who directed Spiderman and he said it's one thing you don't want to make your hero some kind of flawless paragon of walking good and your villian someone who just eats babies for fun, but on the other hand if people start thinking your villians are the good guys you're doing a very poor job. The 'nobody is a bad guy' style is a very weak attempt at pretending your characters have depth. If there's a flaw with Meryem's characterization, it's the fact that Togashi never really was able to get across the point that Meryem could never coexist with humanity no matter what. At best he sees a few special chosen like Netero or Komugi being worthy. His best offer to humanity is basically something like "I should've exterminated you all but I guess it wouldn't hurt to let you live in some kind of national park like environments". The whole bit questioning about how using Rose on Meryem makes humanity just as bad is ridiculous dumb. Negotiation with Meryem was never possible.

In general I think Togashi has a tendency to idolize the dark side of humanity with the argument that the good guys aren't really any diffferent. I don't actually care if the bad guys win, but the problem is that the good guys still win in HXH most of the time so it just becomes hypocrisy. If you're going to basically twist your worldview to make Spiders seem way more powerful than they really are then I expect to see the Spiders burn down the Hunter's HQ, instead of retreating at the sign of any powerful Hunters arriving.

I don't see HxH as being a "nobody is a bad guy" manga but rather a " a "nobody is a good guy." manga.

I don't see that being a flaw. In fact I thought that one of the great things about his character is that the more it seemed
like he COULD co-exist with humanity the faster his impending doom came.

I didn't see HxH trying to argue that using the Rose Bomb was just as bad but rather that the whole invention of it is evil.
It's like nuclear bombs, sure one could argue about the "necessity" of Hiroshima and Nagasaki being obliterated but
the whole concept of total annihilation of a populous is evil.

I don't see how that's hypocrisy. The good guys win but it's not much better than had the bad guys won is what I see the manga saying.
How is that hypocritical? I don't get your comment about twisting the worldview. The Spiders are strong but they aren't invincible.
Nobody is. Not even Meryem and I see that as a GOOD thing for the story.

 

[Phantron]

I see that you must've missed the part where Meryem says there are different KINDs of strength.
Just cause someone doesn't have the physical strength of Meryem or aura power doesn't mean they aren't as challenging.

Take Pariston Hill, we've yet to see ANY nen from him (unless I forgot). Not to say he's weak but nen or no nen
that guy is dangerous. Why? because he's clever as hell and unpredictable.
Plus with the advent of the Rose Bomb which you know KILLED MERYEM.
Whoever has the key to those is in fact the most dangerous character.

For example

Gyro + Rose Bombs= Very Bad Situation.


And this is not even knowing what shenanigans are in the Outside.

Um, everyone and their brother has access to the Rose. It's more of a miracle that there hasn't been some kind of massive nuclear war in the world of HXH. The proliferation of Rose is way beyond a 'what if a psycho has them'. Heck, Diego has them (they framed the Rose explosion as Diego's attempt to blow his own people up which implies he must have had them) and he's probably not someone you want to have control of that kind of weapon. And because everyone and their brother has them, even if a psycho started launching them there's nothing stopping other powers from launching them back. It's not exactly the case where only one party has access to some doomsday weapon.

Not to mention you still have Alluka whose existence renders any threat irrelevent.

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I don't see HxH as being a "nobody is a bad guy" manga but rather a " a "nobody is a good guy." manga.

I don't see that being a flaw. In fact I thought that one of the great things about his character is that the more it seemed
like he COULD co-exist with humanity the faster his impending doom came.

I didn't see HxH trying to argue that using the Rose Bomb was just as bad but rather that the whole invention of it is evil.
It's like nuclear bombs, sure one could argue about the "necessity" of Hiroshima and Nagasaki being obliterated but
the whole concept of total annihilation of a populous is evil.

I don't see how that's hypocrisy. The good guys win but it's not much better than had the bad guys won is what I see the manga saying.
How is that hypocritical? I don't get your comment about twisting the worldview. The Spiders are strong but they aren't invincible.
Nobody is. Not even Meryem and I see that as a GOOD thing for the story.

Nobody is a good guy is the same thing as nobody is a bad guy.

Meryem can only coexist with human when he knows he's about to die because he is not particularly vengeful. That is if he knows he can't rule them all there's no reason for him to go on a rampage so sure he can play Gungi until he dies if he's about to die. That doesn't mean his view of humanity has changed.

If the Rose was never invented the most likely outcome is that Meryem would've gone on conquering the world and probably wipe out something like 90% of humanity (he basically sees human as a waste of space except for the occasional exceptions) and the rest will be on some kind of natural preserve. Maybe some special humans can push for no more than 1 humanburger per meal per Ant but life in generally would still totally suck for humans. The savior of the HXH world is the Rose, not the Hunters, and yet there's a huge section devoted to crying about how the Rose is inhumane and so on. If an alien species landed with the intention to completely eradicate us and only our nukes kept us alive, nobody is going to be complaining about whether alien dying to radiation or whatever is a bad thing. The whole thing is sheer hypocrisy. It's clear that Togashi has very strong environmentalism tendencies, the same way Miyazaki's films have a very strong communist theme behind it.

I don't care if he wants to preach his beliefs but the world he's created, there was no other way. It's not like in real life where it was definitely possible to invade Japan without using the atomic bomb. Togashi offers no solution as to how humanity can possibly defeat Meryem without the Rose or somehow coexist with him.

 

[Riruru]

Leorio turns evil after experiencing supreme jealousy at his lack of screentime and becomes more powerful than Hisoka and Ging combined by initiating the powers of Bankai and destroying the world.

 

[futurefrog]

Final Villain is Zushi

 

[KingOfNight]

Final Villain is Zushi

And he finally perfected his Hatsu.

Destructo Disk.

 

[Phantron]

And he finally perfected his Hatsu.

Destructo Disk.

Nah he wouldn't even have his Hatsu figured out yet. He'd literally just punch everyone to death without even using Ken.

 

[KingOfNight]

Nah he wouldn't even have his Hatsu figured out yet. He'd literally just punch everyone to death without even using Ken.

He's gonna surpass transformed Gon and Meruem combined ?

 

[Phantron]

He's gonna surpass transformed Gon and Meruem combined ?

He'll just punching everyone to death with the standard aura fist, and after the united alliance of HXH characters all fall and drown in despair about how despite all their combined power they can't even get Zushi to fight seriously, Zushi will tell them that he has been fighting seriously and the reason he didnt' use any Hatsu was because he still haven't figured out how to use them yet. And then we'll cut back to way back when Wing was saying, "I may have awakened a monster" and we'll finally realize he meant Zushi, not Gon or Killua.

 

[mrsticky005]

Um, everyone and their brother has access to the Rose. It's more of a miracle that there hasn't been some kind of massive nuclear war in the world of HXH. The proliferation of Rose is way beyond a 'what if a psycho has them'. Heck, Diego has them (they framed the Rose explosion as Diego's attempt to blow his own people up which implies he must have had them) and he's probably not someone you want to have control of that kind of weapon. And because everyone and their brother has them, even if a psycho started launching them there's nothing stopping other powers from launching them back. It's not exactly the case where only one party has access to some doomsday weapon.

Hmm...you're right. But that to me seems to make things worse.
Still the question shouldn't be what if psycho has them but rather who is psychotic
enough to use them and not care about MAD? Who doesn't give a crap about dying?

We already know---the residents of Meteor City.

When motivated they do not mess around. I think Gyro is a perfect candidate
to motivate them to cause some real damage as he is an ant like the residents
and seems to have a lot of influence on others.







Not to mention you still have Alluka whose existence renders any threat irrelevent.

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True. Though I guess I just don't see Togashi just having
Alluka wish away the manga. I hope not at least.



Nobody is a good guy is the same thing as nobody is a bad guy.

I don't think so. They are rather different.
The first is a rotten world and the second is a possible perfect world.
How is that the same?

Meryem can only coexist with human when he knows he's about to die because he is not particularly vengeful. That is if he knows he can't rule them all there's no reason for him to go on a rampage so sure he can play Gungi until he dies if he's about to die. That doesn't mean his view of humanity has changed.

I do think that the advent of his death affected his mindset.
I thin his view did change...if only so slightly. I mean for goodness sake he fell in
love with a human girl.

If the Rose was never invented the most likely outcome is that Meryem would've gone on conquering the world and probably wipe out something like 90% of humanity (he basically sees human as a waste of space except for the occasional exceptions) and the rest will be on some kind of natural preserve. Maybe some special humans can push for no more than 1 humanburger per meal per Ant but life in generally would still totally suck for humans. The savior of the HXH world is the Rose, not the Hunters, and yet there's a huge section devoted to crying about how the Rose is inhumane and so on. If an alien species landed with the intention to completely eradicate us and only our nukes kept us alive, nobody is going to be complaining about whether alien dying to radiation or whatever is a bad thing. The whole thing is sheer hypocrisy. It's clear that Togashi has very strong environmentalism tendencies, the same way Miyazaki's films have a very strong communist theme behind it.

I don't care if he wants to preach his beliefs but the world he's created, there was no other way. It's not like in real life where it was definitely possible to invade Japan without using the atomic bomb. Togashi offers no solution as to how humanity can possibly defeat Meryem without the Rose or somehow coexist with him.

But in HxH the rose isn't just used on Meryem. It's used on other PEOPLE.
Yes nobody cares if all the aliens die from radiation. Hell that's the POINT.
But I think I WOULD care if I was to die from radiation. Wouldn't you?

It would be one thing if the Poor Man's Rose just was a sure death for
the intended target but the thing was designed to be contagious.
It's a weapon that put it's target in the position of self-quarantine
or risk killing those close to them. It's an indiscriminate murder weapon.

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Nah he wouldn't even have his Hatsu figured out yet. He'd literally just punch everyone to death without even using Ken.

You know I actually rather like to see Zushi fight and NOT have Hatsu but just be REALLY good at the basic skills.

 

[Otaku400]

Maybe the last Villian has not showed yet.
But in the begijnn of the Ant Arc there was a Chapter abbout a guy who never shwon up again. (at the moment i dont know his name^^)
When i remember there was a text Panel "No one knows is it look or bad that Gon dont meet him yet" i mean this Guy was also and Ant.
Maybe this guy is appear when the last Arc starts (but i think the last arc is far away)

Or i say it at the post begiinn a new Chara is the Final Villian^^

 

[alisdfd]

the final villian will be a zombie
and the creator of nen

 

[futurefrog]

I'm pretty sure the final villain will be Gyro, it seems like Togashi flagged that pretty clearly guys. Gyro and Gon both have childhoods of father neglect, the difference is that Ging knew he was not fit to be a father and left, Gyro father instead just used him, you could say that Ging leaving was a kind thing. He knows he would not make a good father, Gyro's father likely knew the same but did not care, only caring to use his son for his own gain. This conflict will put Gyro and Gon's ideals at odds with one another.

 

[kindredxiuxiu]

I think Gyro is a very good possibility, based on what you've said futurefrog.

Although I've thought of another idea: what if there isn't a final boss that everyone collectively has to beat. Killua and Kurapika have their personal villains/issues, but what if it was like everyone finishes their personal stories. Kurapika and everyone fights the spiders and that ends Kurapika's revenge. Killua has a final showdown with Illumi and helps Gon out with his battles. And then Gon and Gyro face off in a showdown in his own personal story if that develops. Gon, being the protagonist, will have focus on his story, but Kurapika and Killua's will be equally important in the overall story. Leorio will tag along and help out wherever he can (or he'll be studying forever ;_; ).

Honestly, I don't think we'll encounter another villain like Meryem. I just doubt we'll see such an explosion of power again, and I wouldn't want to see that. I want to see smart battles--and HxH has been able to pull that off pretty well so far.

 

[Phantron]

If there's a final villian and he actually has brains he'd have to be say weaker than Gon pre transformation because in HXH it's almost impossible to lose if you're actually stronger and have a brain. Pretty much all the case of the so-called 'smart battles' involve the guy being stronger apparently never heard of the simplest concepts in aura which led to their defeat.

The only way someone who has both power and brain could 'lose' will basically be because they get bored. That was what happened to Pariston, for example, as he literally got bored with carrying out whatever his super evil plan was because it was too easy. But tricks like that you can really only pull once before it gets old.

 

[mrsticky005]

If there's a final villian and he actually has brains he'd have to be say weaker than Gon pre transformation because in HXH it's almost impossible to lose if you're actually stronger and have a brain. Pretty much all the case of the so-called 'smart battles' involve the guy being stronger apparently never heard of the simplest concepts in aura which led to their defeat.

The only way someone who has both power and brain could 'lose' will basically be because they get bored. That was what happened to Pariston, for example, as he literally got bored with carrying out whatever his super evil plan was because it was too easy. But tricks like that you can really only pull once before it gets old.

Meryem was stronger than Netero and was arguably a genius. Did he lose because of a simple aura concept? No he lost because Netero fights dirty!

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I think Gyro is a very good possibility, based on what you've said futurefrog.

Although I've thought of another idea: what if there isn't a final boss that everyone collectively has to beat. Killua and Kurapika have their personal villains/issues, but what if it was like everyone finishes their personal stories. Kurapika and everyone fights the spiders and that ends Kurapika's revenge. Killua has a final showdown with Illumi and helps Gon out with his battles. And then Gon and Gyro face off in a showdown in his own personal story if that develops. Gon, being the protagonist, will have focus on his story, but Kurapika and Killua's will be equally important in the overall story. Leorio will tag along and help out wherever he can (or he'll be studying forever ;_; ).

Honestly, I don't think we'll encounter another villain like Meryem. I just doubt we'll see such an explosion of power again, and I wouldn't want to see that. I want to see smart battles--and HxH has been able to pull that off pretty well so far.

I like the idea of everyone fighting their own personal villains.

The way I see it everyone should do their own thing---but they are all tied together.