Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2014] - Discussion and TOC Talk

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Well, going by one batch of releases, chances are indeed very low but never say never,

Psyren (#1), Nurarihyon no Mago (#15) and Toriko (#25) was in 2008 succesful too
We're talking about actual batches. Those series were all released within several weeks/months of each other, multiple popular series debuting the same year is not at all the same as multiple popular series in the same batch.
I mean if we were to continue down the train you just started we could say Haikyu, Saiki Kusuo no Sainan, AssClass, Shokugeki no Soma were also a batch since they all debuted in 2012..
 
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Well, going by one batch of releases, chances are indeed very low but never say never,

Psyren (#1), Nurarihyon no Mago (#15) and Toriko (#25) was in 2008 succesful too
Kuroko no Basket (#2), Beelzebub (#13) and Medaka Box (#24) was in 2009 even more succesful
I literally mean at once. like in one serialisation round. There's something in the directly competitive nature of them that just makes it nigh impossible to pull off
 

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We're talking about actual batches. Those series were all released within several weeks/months of each other, multiple popular series debuting the same year is not at all the same as multiple popular series in the same batch.
I mean if we were to continue down the train you just started we could say Haikyu, Saiki Kusuo no Sainan, AssClass, Shokugeki no Soma were also a batch since they all debuted in 2012..
Hence why I said, going by one batch of releases

but I would not focus too much on that tbh. The aspect of cushions and/or ending series can be important. Iron Knight and Bleach are doing worse, Beelzebub ended, Kuroko no Basket might end (unless there's some ES21-all-star-thingie),... People need a replacement and to me, it looks like 4 strong differents series have a chance
 

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We are in the XXX4 year which has been awesome in WSJ for the last 3 times so I have crazy expectations for this year, It's hard for me to believe that Bleach will be forced to end even though a similar thing happened to Saint Seiya. Unless HQ! becomes somewhat of a next Slam Dunk or KnB in terms of sales (~750K) then Jump need those sales figures, this is not golden age where every 3 years you get a new 1M seller or even 2 of those and even though Nura was canceled we know what Jump traded it for and the extra chapters that were given shows this is something that they really didn't want to do, now they have a bigger seller than Nura which is AC.

My guess is that Stealth will be a success right from the first Volume(Selling more than 100K 1st week) and that WSJ who read 3 chapters before deciding that this kind of a series will take the place of Beel had enough of a judgement to cancel a long-running in the same way as Nura(with a continuation) and that one of the series that will be hurt by the new series will be a gag one and if Illegal rare is well-received I can see it taking Bleach's spot as the more gritty battle manga.
 

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The only series where they haven't gone with the chapters coming out that week were Blue Exorcist and Seraph of the End. Both had a short enough gap between what had already been published and the latest chapter to bridge the gap quickly (Seraph is well on its way on a 2 a month release schedule, blue exorcist caught up in a matter of weeks). You can't pull that with something as long as Kingdom. Or indeed any weekly series that hits a certain length. It isn't feasible.

And they wouldn't handle it differently with physical copies? No shit, because those are volume releases, you're comparing what's possible with a 200 page a volume bimonthly release with what would be 20 pages a week. What's more if they want to catch up in volumes, either digitally or physically, that works. You release more product at its standard price, it's still available individually. They achieved this with Naruto and One Piece successfully, mostly by making sure that all the volumes released stayed in print, allowing readers to get them when they can. Now say you want to catch-up in weekly releases. First off, we're talking quantity of workload. You'dd have staff translating, twice, three times, maybe even four times the amount of material on a weekly basis to try and go from chapter 1 up to the present chapter. Inefficient and costly. Put that aside and you have size of release. Digital doesn't have a real size limit to it, but that extra 40/60/80/et cetera pages of a catch-up title being released every week would ramp up the cost of the anthology to meet the costs involved. You leave it behind forever and Jump loses a core part of its day and date marketing by just... being the old, awful US Jump that ran into the ground. being an english alternative to the weekly/monthly publishing schedules is the whole dang deal.

Tl;dr: Releasing long-form series from years behind the JP release in weekly issues doesn't work at all for int'l jump.
The start from chp 1 thing works good for monthly series and series with irregular schedules like One Punch Man, so I always thought it was perfect for JUMP SQ series, and not to mention the fact that if they are trying to target series that already arent actually covered by other sources, then most of that magazine stuff has stuff not done or lagging behind.

Problem with the weeklies and doing stuff way many volumes ahead beyond just the workload issue (they joked on the podcast about who would be the one to translate the 20+ volumes of Beelzebub...is people would go to other sources. Perhaps its my awful worldview at work, but I highly doubt many did look at viz's one punch man in the magazine in the year it took to get caught up...nisekoi as well.
 

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I literally mean at once. like in one serialisation round. There's something in the directly competitive nature of them that just makes it nigh impossible to pull off
Check above, I know that but the at once focus isn't right to say only one will survive

Illegal rare's mangaka had a release before
Stealth Symphony's artist had releases before too and the author is very famous
 
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In my opinion only Ai shoujo of the 4 series will be dropped.For WT and SC i'm not worried because they have had good rankings and can't drop them so easily,and there will be even Bleach,Gintama,Nisekoi,kochikame and psi in bottom.
Anyway,we'll see.
 

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Illegal rare's mangaka had a release before
Stealth Symphony's artist had releases before too and the author is very famous
Those doesn't matter if they did poorly in the ranking.

As for the survival of new series, I think only one (or possibly two) manage to survive since Jump currently had many hit series; unless some of them able to take old series, like World Trigger and Soul Catcher(S).
 

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In my opinion only Ai shoujo of the 4 series will be dropped.For WT and SC i'm not worried because they have had good rankings and can't drop them so easily,and there will be even Bleach,Gintama,Nisekoi,kochikame and psi in bottom.
Anyway,we'll see.
I don't think Tokyo Wonder Boys even has a shot at surviving.
And Soul Catcher(S) has not had good rankings. It's ranking have always been mediocre at best to bad.
World Trigger is doing okay in the rankings as well, but it's not doing great and new popular battle manga could easily screw it over in the rankings.

Also, Jump is not going to cut Gintama, Nisekoi, or Kochikame.
 
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In my opinion only Ai shoujo of the 4 series will be dropped.For WT and SC i'm not worried because they have had good rankings and can't drop them so easily,and there will be even Bleach,Gintama,Nisekoi,kochikame and psi in bottom.
Anyway,we'll see.
Yeah, I'm sure they'll cut Kochikame, Gintama and Bleach before SC and WT....
The new series are kinda meh for me. The only one which I actually enjoyed was Illegal Rare, but I'm not sure if it will do ok or else it will be axed soon.
 

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Are you fucking kidding me? :lmao
That was sarcasm. Sorry if it wasn't clear enough.
It's pretty obvious that if the new ones perform well, SC and WT are dead meat.
 

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If the new series able to pull down those two, then yeah those two are dead meat.
What? World Trigger does pretty well. I dont think it is a guarantee that it would be the one on the cutting block in the next 16 - 32 weeks.
 

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What? World Trigger does pretty well. I dont think it is a guarantee that it would be the one on the cutting block in the next 16 - 32 weeks.
I'm not sure. Even it is doing well, if it was pulled down to bottom 5 or even last place, then WT is also pretty much in danger as well along with SC.

But, I'm talking about IF it dropped to bottom 5; I'm not talking about WT is currently in danger.
 

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I was speaking about them to be next bottom dweller,but is obvius that wouldn't be dropped.Even if I hope Nisekoi get dropped,in my opinion is one of the worst currently shonen jump manga.
TWB has the typical character that girls love and drawing seems really good,and Kuroko is going to end,so it can have the possibility to become popular.
 

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TWB has the typical character that girls love and drawing seems really good,and Kuroko is going to end,so it can have the possibility to become popular.
We can't really determine that Kuroko going to end.
 

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I think the manga will finish when Seirin will defeat Rakuzan
If the author after this will continue the series,then I suppose it will have the same fate of Bleach
 

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TWB has the typical character that girls love and drawing seems really good,and Kuroko is going to end,so it can have the possibility to become popular.
Does that really guarantee success, I thought it was stated Kuroko was off to a rocky start at the beginning even though it has amazing and lovable character designs.
 

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Actually WT could end. There ware several cases of jump mangas ending after a year (magico, enigma, ...) because the barely survived and didn't have a good sales progression. With many series hitting 200k+ it isn't enough to dwell around 100k, especially if many new series do better in toc and have succuessful creators who guarantee a sale of at least 50-100k with the first volume.
 
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