Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2014] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 5

[Netorare]

Didn't see it either...

maybe this thing? http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showt...-Talk-Part-5?p=3771910&viewfull=1#post3771910

-> http://imgsrc.baidu.com/forum/w=580.../6709c93d70cf3bc74fbd176dd300baa1cc112af6.jpg

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Raw after raw and i like iShoujo more, and after read the first chapter, i really liked, the story, the app concept, the characters, the manga is very interesting, has a real romance development, even kiss, sad that isn't popular, but at least the author can finish the manga in any moment and story will not feel incomplete

 

[Lehran]

Kamidori's color page is interesting... has anyone already read that oneshot? What is it about?

I enjoyed Kurogane so I'm interested in Haruto Ikezawa's possible future works.

 

[TXC]

Chapter after chapter Stealth Symphony gets better, anyone who thought it was just a normal shonen with a few twists to make it look a bit different was definitely wrong.. and couldn't be familiar with Narita style of writing.

Poor souls who dropped by chapter 4 not seeing the full extent of the writer skills.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

Chapter after chapter Stealth Symphony gets better, anyone who thought it was just a normal shonen with a few twists to make it look a bit different was definitely wrong.. and couldn't be familiar with Narita style of writing.

Poor souls who dropped by chapter 4 not seeing the full extent of the writer skills.

I don't think people thought it was a normal shonen title (whatever that is). Rather I think a lot of people thought it was a bad comic, or at the least not good enough, and that's all that matters in the end, innit.

 

[Asgaroth]

sry txc but do you care about to explain whats so different about SS? I mean I see some people with magical powers overpowering their opponents with crazy new techniques. Their a bit more original than generic ones but nothing exceptional happened with the story itself.

 

[TXC]

Not the action itself, but the way he plays with the characters, if you watched Drrr!! you know what I mean and what to expect. Or so to say, with Narita, nothing is what it appears to be with any character.

Going to anime forums, mainstream viewers hated Steins;gate and Durarara!! at the beginning because they thought it was confusing or boring. Look what happened in the end, both are big acclaimed series for what they ended up being.

And is TXC no txc please. I like to read my name with TC at the very least, because those are my initials for my real name.

 

[Kaizou 10]

Going to anime forums, mainstream viewers hated Steins;gate and Durarara!! at the beginning because they thought it was confusing or boring. Look what happened in the end, both are big acclaimed series for what they ended up being.

I think anime and manga are different.

 

[TXC]

I think anime and manga are different.

Then Pandora hearts, is exactly the same case.

 

[Kaizou 10]

Then Pandora hearts, is exactly the same case.

How that series relate to Narita (and SS)?

 

[TXC]

How that series relate to Narita (and SS)?

Starts off without much steam, with a twist in the beginning that ends up being far different than what it seemed. (I'm guessing you read chap 11.5 of SS already)

Then gets a few character introduction chapters, that people find boring, and utilizes those same characters in a really interesting way in a future arc.. with some introduction of some new plot devices in the way.

 

[Kaizou 10]

Starts off without much steam, with a twist in the beginning that ends up being far different than what it seemed. (I'm guessing you read chap 11.5 of SS already)

Then gets a few character introduction chapters, that people find boring, and utilizes those same characters in a really interesting way in a future arc.. with some introduction of some new plot devices in the way.

Pandora Heats has absolutely nothing to do with Stealth Symphony or even Jump. The system between Shounen Jump and Monthly GFantasy is completely different.

You have to use the series from Shounen Jump to support your argument, not outside of Jump.

 

[TXC]

Pandora Heats has absolutely nothing to do with Stealth Symphony or even Jump. The system between Shounen Jump and Monthly GFantasy is completely different.

You have to use the series from Shounen Jump to support your argument, not outside of Jump.

I'm talking about quality here, not what succeeds in Jump.

 

[Kaizou 10]

I'm talking about quality here, not what succeeds in Jump.

Even quality, the success for Pandora Hearts doesn't really explain the quality (or possible survival) of SS.

 

[TXC]

Even quality, the success for Pandora Hearts doesn't really explain the quality (or possible survival) of SS.

Explains for what I said before (quality part), I didn't mention once the word survival in my posts.

You are free to disagree, as you do, but you are simply dismissing what I said and that's a different case. Go re-read what I wrote.

 

[jagman1x3]

I'm talking about quality here, not what succeeds in Jump.

You haven't said what, if anything, gives SS quality though. All you did was say that it uses its characters in a different way from what you expect when you first see them. Lots of series do that, but what gives them quality is doing it in a good way, and I cannot think of a single time SS has done that except for the end of Chapter 1.

 

[taqzer]

I'm talking about quality here, not what succeeds in Jump.

The point here being SS is in Jump, nothing can be done about that now.

That whole slow burn thing doesn't work so well in Jump, case and point being the numerous other titles that have tried it before and failed as a result

Chapter 11/11.5 was ok, dont really see how its anything to write home about and nor do I see the point in discussing SS and its demise/success or the merits of its author ahead of the next TOC which reflects the rank of what most people consider to be its best chapter.

 

[Kaizou 10]

There are thousands of manga out there which share similar thing as both Pandora Hearts and Stealth Symphony. I don't really see anything special within SS which stands out more as compare to many other series out there.

 

[TXC]

You haven't said what, if anything, gives SS quality though. All you did was say that it uses its characters in a different way from what you expect when you first see them. Lots of series do that, but what gives them quality is doing it in a good way, and I cannot think of a single time SS has done that except for the end of Chapter 1.

In my opinion, that's what I'm giving here, it was a lot better (11) than chapter 1. It had the foundation coming from earlier chapters, ending the first arc really well with all the twists. For me it gave it quality, for you it didn't, its that simple.

 

[vinceled]

The fact is that what happened in chapter 11.5 in SS happened waaay to late. In WSJ people basically choose whether they'll continue reading a series by 3rd-5th chapter; by chapter 10 it's also possible to know how bad / good a series is doing. In WSJ an author cannot simply take the time to expose elements at first over 10 chapters. It's good and all to say the author writing is great and all but in that case it totally backfired on him, he just wasn't suited to write weekly series.