Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2014] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 8

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Both Black Clover and Kagamigami have been bland and uniteresting imo.

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Then that should be said for all series with similar beginnings.
I dont think so.A series must be seen in the complex,not just from the beginning,but in the whole story contest.So,I think you should wait a little to say if a series will be succesfull or not
 

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I dont think so.A series must be seen in the complex,not just from the beginning,but in the whole story contest.So,I think you should wait a little to say if a series will be succesfull or not
Yeah I meant bland and uninteresting first chapters, I wasn't knocking the whole series just yet
 

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First chapter of Black Clover was a total plagiarism of Naruto.

"But just one mage Fourth Hokage saved humankind"
"One day I will become the Hokage Wizard King"
"cant use magic" or "my grimorie's not coming" Chakra, Shadow clones
"In the fifth leaf resides the Kyuubi Devil"
"even with no magical powers i'll become the wizard king" ¿Rock Lee?
 
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First chapter of Black Clover was a total plagiarism of Naruto.

"But just one mage Fourth Hokage saved humankind"
"One day I will become the Hokage Wizard King"
"cant use magic" or "my grimorie's not coming" Chakra, Shadow clones
"In the fifth leaf resides the Kyuubi Devil"
"even with no magical powers i'll become the wizard king" ¿Rock Lee?
What Jump editors think we are? Idiots?
We passed years reading Naruto and they thought that we would not recongnize it. :fail
Sure, the idea of being something was used uncountable times, but everything has limits. If you are saying is true... Too similar for my taste.
 

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Kagamigami 2 was pretty boring. He could have at least drew the transformation scene. Chp 1 was decent but this one is just an odd choice. I would have had a move-in of sorts development chapter not in the first few chapters.
 

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Im hoping Cyborg Roggy and Ultra Battle Satellite are good. Roggy has the most interesting premise out of the group and Ultra Battle Satellite reminds me of Baki but with waay better art. The One Shot was really popular also
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What Jump editors think we are? Idiots?
We passed years reading Naruto and they thought that we would not recongnize it. :fail
Sure, the idea of being something was used uncountable times, but everything has limits. If you are saying is true... Too similar for my taste.
If you think about it, every type of manga has already been done, All the creative ideas have been token, Some have to rely on alittle plagiarism to start something good.
 
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Here is the link: http://shonenjump.viz.com/reader/3239

The year of Jump is still on sale for under 20$,

Well yeah, I would read more of Black Clover, but it seems to cobbled together from different manga.
The rival is "good" looking, he is a shorty, the former heroes seem to be arrogant now, MC has no power as everyone else; of course he's the devil's power.
Most here have already read manga/seen anime with some of these plot parts.

First chapter of Black Clover was a total plagiarism of Naruto.

"But just one mage Fourth Hokage saved humankind"
"One day I will become the Hokage Wizard King"
"cant use magic" or "my grimorie's not coming" Chakra, Shadow clones
"In the fifth leaf resides the Kyuubi Devil"
"even with no magical powers i'll become the wizard king" ¿Rock Lee?
Pretty sure Kishimoto had added little new on his own, but whatever. A good part of members here have only started reading manga once Naruto was already being released.:teehee
 
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If you think about it, every type of manga has already been done, All the creative ideas have been token, Some have to relay on alittle plagiarism to start something good.
Depends on the level of similarity. As you can see in my post, I said that the concepts of "aiming some goal" was used many times in manga history, but the level os similarity has limits. When more than the concept, but also the characters and elements of the story are also similar, you start to suspect. You have to pick something that was already done and transform it to something that is yours.
One chapter is too few to conclude something, but if this similarity continues... The readers will not forgive, let's the readers judge.
 
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Im hoping Cyborg Roggy and Ultra Battle Satellite are good. Roggy has the most interesting premise out of the group
Stephen Paul (THE translator), who is going to translate the first 3 chapters, mentioned on last week's episode of the Onepiecepodcast that Roggy has a promising 1st chapter. Im really looking forward to it
 

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Stephen Paul (THE translator), who is going to translate the first 3 chapters, mentioned on last week's episode of the Onepiecepodcast that Roggy has a promising 1st chapter. Im really looking forward to it
Dont editors believe all series have promising new chapters? Why elsewould they get serialized?
 

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Stephen Paul (THE translator), who is going to translate the first 3 chapters, mentioned on last week's episode of the Onepiecepodcast that Roggy has a promising 1st chapter. Im really looking forward to it
Thats great, I hope so, Black Naruto and Kagamigami have been disappoiting with their first chapters
 
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Dont editors believe all series have promising new chapters? Why elsewould they get serialized?
Editor ≠ translator!!!! He might be biased but he is a freelance translator and not employed by viz.
 

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Pretty sure Kishimoto had added little new on his own, but whatever. A good part of members here have only started reading manga once Naruto was already being released.:teehee
Yes, brother, but the problem is not the clichés, but the way of telling the story. And in this case, the first chapter of Black Joker was almost identical to Naruto. Page by page. Element by element.
 

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Pretty sure Kishimoto had added little new on his own, but whatever. A good part of members here have only started reading manga once Naruto was already being released.:teehee
Well yes, considering most of us were under the age of 5 when Naruto got serialized... (Or maybe I'm wrong and you guys are actually way older? Anyway, I was personally three-years-old in 1997)

Anyway, honestly the creativity of a first chapter is pretty limited. There's only so much world-building you can do, and the story isn't going to stand out too much for the first few chapters. The only things that carry the first few chapters are the characters and some gimmicks, I guess. Naruto, for instance, had the sad back story to carry the first chapter, and then the chemistry between naruto/sasuke/sakura + more ninja-ish stuff to carry the next few chapters whilst introducing Kakashi and such.

But when was the point the world of Naruto actually became the world we know today? For the first ten chapters, it was just this village, nothing interesting. And then with the Zabuza arc, they went to the Land of the Waves, which isn't a major location in the Narutoverse (I mean, it hasn't been mentioned since), so when exactly did it upgrade into the world-building we know today? Maybe around the Chuunin exam? I don't know, I think it takes a while for a story to really come into its own.

Even One Piece was just a story about an overpowered protagonist with a mediocre backstory if we judged it on the first few chapters. It's only after you give an author room to write that the story can become interesting.

First chapters can do gimmicks and generic shit and whatever they need to get votes in JUMP, I'll forgive them if that's what it takes to keep the series running long-enough to get interesting. Look at Stealth Symphony, I guess people don't like a well-built world right off the bat in JUMP. They want the world to be introduced slowly (and thus created slowly) during a long serialization.
 

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And what cares if its a plagiarism of Naruto.Maybe he can make up a good story,and becoming more different form Naruto with the passing of the time
You are all saying useless things.If a manga is good and easy to reading,japanese guys wont see such things of the plagiarism of Naruto.and there are many manga who have plagied it and now are successful series.I think could be good having a magic manga like this in the magazine.Are age that we dont have one of these.
 

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And what cares if its a plagiarism of Naruto.Maybe he can make up a good story,and becoming more different form Naruto with the passing of the time
You are all saying useless things.If a manga is good and easy to reading,japanese guys wont see such things of the plagiarism of Naruto.and there are many manga who have plagied it and now are successful series.I think could be good having a magic manga like this in the magazine.Are age that we dont have one of these.
I was hoping Tabata would get alittle original with his work, Black Clover wasn't bad, but at some point you get tired of seeing the same thing over and over again
 

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Well yes, considering most of us were under the age of 5 when Naruto got serialized... (Or maybe I'm wrong and you guys are actually way older? Anyway, I was personally three-years-old in 1997)

Anyway, honestly the creativity of a first chapter is pretty limited. There's only so much world-building you can do, and the story isn't going to stand out too much for the first few chapters. The only things that carry the first few chapters are the characters and some gimmicks, I guess. Naruto, for instance, had the sad back story to carry the first chapter, and then the chemistry between naruto/sasuke/sakura + more ninja-ish stuff to carry the next few chapters whilst introducing Kakashi and such.

But when was the point the world of Naruto actually became the world we know today? For the first ten chapters, it was just this village, nothing interesting. And then with the Zabuza arc, they went to the Land of the Waves, which isn't a major location in the Narutoverse (I mean, it hasn't been mentioned since), so when exactly did it upgrade into the world-building we know today? Maybe around the Chuunin exam? I don't know, I think it takes a while for a story to really come into its own.

Even One Piece was just a story about an overpowered protagonist with a mediocre backstory if we judged it on the first few chapters. It's only after you give an author room to write that the story can become interesting.

First chapters can do gimmicks and generic shit and whatever they need to get votes in JUMP, I'll forgive them if that's what it takes to keep the series running long-enough to get interesting. Look at Stealth Symphony, I guess people don't like a well-built world right off the bat in JUMP. They want the world to be introduced slowly (and thus created slowly) during a long serialization.
Chuunin Exam? You are going too too far... In the first chapter it was already clear that Naruto was different. The tendency is getting better, so the first training of the Team 7 was better than the first chapters and Zabuza arc was even better. However, the beginning was already above average. The world building was also remarkable. By the end of the first chapter, we already had the idea of how the ninja world worked, the next chapters until Zabuza arc, the most part of the world building was already done.

In One Piece, what you have to know about One Piece wolrd was in its first page, the rest would be discovered during the manga since it was clear since the beginning that it would be a journey of discovery. Pirate world is discovery.

Finally, slow pacing doesn't survive in Jump. It is the worst joke I've heard in this thread.
 
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Finally, slow pacing doesn't survive in Jump. It is the worst joke I've heard in this thread.
I've got another joke. Bleach.
 

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I've got another joke. Bleach.
1) Bleach was this way in the beginning of the serialization? I read some chapters of Bleach some years ago and IIRC its pacing was not bad.
2) Do you see the position of Bleach every week? Because if you do, you will notice that any other less successful manga would be already cancelled at this point.
3) Do you see the sales of the manga? It is decreasing and I don't think that it suggests that the readers are loving the manga right now.

Bleach became the official counter-example for this thread... Bleach solves everything... :fail
 
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